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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3030 on: March 21, 2021, 04:11:31 PM »
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I've encouraged Eric to find a way to get Alice to CooperCon21. Ms. Hancock is a tough cookie, and as we ALL know, my "nice" is generally "not nice enough" to get the interview.

...I've always found you to be very  nice and personable....


Thank you. Maybe you can tell Tina for me...

So I take it Tina is not one to want to talk about this case that likely ruined parts of her life?  Its too bad because she holds the biggest key to this whole thing since the cigarette butts are poof.  So no DNA, the next best try is Tina.  She is the one that got to interact with him and she is the only one, well maybe Flo, that could possibly get a jolt of memory if she heard his voice or something?  Its a stretch but this entire goose chase is  a stretch.  Sure it could break open if someone came out of the woodwork with evidence.  I would not give up on Tina, no way.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3031 on: May 07, 2021, 10:06:55 PM »
Can anyone provide specifics as to the FBI’s investigation into missing persons at the time of the hijacking?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3032 on: May 08, 2021, 04:19:54 PM »
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Can anyone provide specifics as to the FBI’s investigation into missing persons at the time of the hijacking?
I know it's been discussed before but god knows where lol. There is a missing person thread on this site concerning someone who disappeared some time before the skyjacking- ie. was already missing - but I don't know what their background was apart from counterfeiting, it's been a while since reading it.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3033 on: May 08, 2021, 04:33:57 PM »
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I've encouraged Eric to find a way to get Alice to CooperCon21. Ms. Hancock is a tough cookie, and as we ALL know, my "nice" is generally "not nice enough" to get the interview.
 

...I've always found you to be very  nice and personable....


Thank you. Maybe you can tell Tina for me...

So I take it Tina is not one to want to talk about this case that likely ruined parts of her life?  Its too bad because she holds the biggest key to this whole thing since the cigarette butts are poof.  So no DNA, the next best try is Tina.  She is the one that got to interact with him and she is the only one, well maybe Flo, that could possibly get a jolt of memory if she heard his voice or something?  Its a stretch but this entire goose chase is  a stretch.  Sure it could break open if someone came out of the woodwork with evidence.  I would not give up on Tina, no way.
She did a recent interview, the upshot being that she is now speaking a bit more, is being very circumspect about who she's talking with, and while she understands why people want to know and are frustrated by the unsolved mystery, they have to realize that the people who were there moved on with their lives and may not have the same priorities. She particularly mentions that about 90-95% of those approaching her are male and some in the past made her uncomfortable at her home/work, one even telling her that as a Christian she should tell all she knew - which she feels she has. Some have accused her of being traumatized/irrational or insulted her age/memory/eyesight if she said a particular suspect's photo did not match her memory of Cooper. She has devoted her life to helping others in various ways and seems a calm, rational, quiet, kind, intelligent woman who simply doesn't want, in her 70's, to be harassed over an incident in her 20's. If she refuses an interview request, people must simply respect that. She has a right to her own life.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3034 on: May 08, 2021, 09:01:59 PM »
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Can anyone provide specifics as to the FBI’s investigation into missing persons at the time of the hijacking?
I know it's been discussed before but god knows where lol. There is a missing person thread on this site concerning someone who disappeared some time before the skyjacking- ie. was already missing - but I don't know what their background was apart from counterfeiting, it's been a while since reading it.
I guess my question relates specifically to how intensive or wide spread the FBI’s investigation into missing persons at the time, and trying to cross-reference Cooper to them.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3035 on: May 08, 2021, 11:41:35 PM »
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Can anyone provide specifics as to the FBI’s investigation into missing persons at the time of the hijacking?
I know it's been discussed before but god knows where lol. There is a missing person thread on this site concerning someone who disappeared some time before the skyjacking- ie. was already missing - but I don't know what their background was apart from counterfeiting, it's been a while since reading it.
I guess my question relates specifically to how intensive or wide spread the FBI’s investigation into missing persons at the time, and trying to cross-reference Cooper to them.

I think the only people who could answer this is the FBI... the Portland office did make a long term effort to check body/corpse-found records in Clark County --- that effort was renewed several times and again after the 1975-6 San Francisco Conference. There are 302s documenting that effort. Missing person reports for the whole USA were tagged if they connected to some suspect being examined through tips or LE's list of suspects under examination.   
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3036 on: May 09, 2021, 01:30:12 PM »
I would assume that, following the hijacking, the FBI searched all missing persons cases to see if any matched Cooper’s description. However, I haven’t seen anything official that confirms that.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3037 on: May 09, 2021, 03:11:01 PM »
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I would assume that, following the hijacking, the FBI searched all missing persons cases to see if any matched Cooper’s description. However, I haven’t seen anything official that confirms that.

I remember a brief memo in the FBI releases about it, but I do not have the reference numbers written down anywhere. When I review the FBI releases this summer, I will look for it.
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3038 on: May 09, 2021, 11:18:49 PM »
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I would assume that, following the hijacking, the FBI searched all missing persons cases to see if any matched Cooper’s description. However, I haven’t seen anything official that confirms that.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3039 on: May 10, 2021, 12:19:02 AM »
“...a manual search of the FBI’s indices...”

This suggests someone literally thumbing through hundreds - maybe thousands - of missing persons case by hand. Also, the FBI only involves itself in missing person cases if it is requested to by the local investigative agency or if it involves a kidnapping that crosses state lines.

The bottom line is that any suggestion that the FBI conducted a comprehensive search of all missing persons cases throughout North America is false.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3040 on: May 10, 2021, 01:25:58 AM »
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“...a manual search of the FBI’s indices...”

This suggests someone literally thumbing through hundreds - maybe thousands - of missing persons case by hand. Also, the FBI only involves itself in missing person cases if it is requested to by the local investigative agency or if it involves a kidnapping that crosses state lines.

The bottom line is that any suggestion that the FBI conducted a comprehensive search of all missing persons cases throughout North America is false.

I do recall some suspect files (I read hundreds of them) came from tips - some of the tips included the person being missing or hadn't been seen for some time and the like ... we arent in any position to really make a statement about this. I guess that's my main point. People's missing reports are sometimes hearsay. People sometimes go missing intentionally for reasons having nothing to do with DB Cooper! (like kids running from the Nazis during WWII and its aftermath ....).

If you had to choose between having the FBI's partial vs a missing person report - which would you take?

*According to NamUs (National Missing and Unidentified Persons System), more than 600,000 persons go missing in the United States every year as a conservative estimate. Anywhere between 89 - 92 percent of those missing people are recovered every year, either alive or deceased or surface on their own. A large fraction surface on their own.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3041 on: May 10, 2021, 09:01:48 AM »
I went through NameUS about 6 years ago, as well as the Canadian missing persons database, and came up with nothing. Dick Lepsy and Mel Wilson are the only missing persons even marginally linked with the case, and neither one is a good match for Cooper for a variety of reasons.

The FBI investigation of missing person Jack Scott Farmer is the probably the most interesting investigation in the FBI files released so far and is worth a look.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3042 on: May 10, 2021, 10:21:48 AM »
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I went through NameUS about 6 years ago, as well as the Canadian missing persons database, and came up with nothing. Dick Lepsy and Mel Wilson are the only missing persons even marginally linked with the case, and neither one is a good match for Cooper for a variety of reasons.

The FBI investigation of missing person Jack Scott Farmer is the probably the most interesting investigation in the FBI files released so far and is worth a look.
The vast majority of missing persons never end up in a police report or a database. On any given day, there are 80,000 to 90,000 missing persons on NCIC and near 100,000 missing persons on NAMUS, but there are an estimated 1.5 million people who are missing and are never reported to authorities.

Lots of reasons for someone to go missing and not be reported, but it's quite possible Cooper was among this group.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3043 on: May 10, 2021, 12:46:45 PM »
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“...a manual search of the FBI’s indices...”

This suggests someone literally thumbing through hundreds - maybe thousands - of missing persons case by hand. Also, the FBI only involves itself in missing person cases if it is requested to by the local investigative agency or if it involves a kidnapping that crosses state lines.

The bottom line is that any suggestion that the FBI conducted a comprehensive search of all missing persons cases throughout North America is false.

I do recall some suspect files (I read hundreds of them) came from tips - some of the tips included the person being missing or hadn't been seen for some time and the like ... we arent in any position to really make a statement about this. I guess that's my main point. People's missing reports are sometimes hearsay. People sometimes go missing intentionally for reasons having nothing to do with DB Cooper! (like kids running from the Nazis during WWII and its aftermath ....).

If you had to choose between having the FBI's partial vs a missing person report - which would you take?

*According to NamUs (National Missing and Unidentified Persons System), more than 600,000 persons go missing in the United States every year as a conservative estimate. Anywhere between 89 - 92 percent of those missing people are recovered every year, either alive or deceased or surface on their own. A large fraction surface on their own.
I'm not knocking the effort of the FBI. I'm just pointing out that it doesn't appear to be a comphrensive cross-reference of missing person cases at that time. That may not have been possible in 1971.

Some have assumed that because Cooper wasn't reported as missing, then that means he survived the jumped and went on and lived a long life. My point is that is not an accurate assumption to make. People can be missing and not appear in any list or database or report. Cooper might have been among them.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3044 on: May 10, 2021, 02:15:24 PM »
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“...a manual search of the FBI’s indices...”

This suggests someone literally thumbing through hundreds - maybe thousands - of missing persons case by hand. Also, the FBI only involves itself in missing person cases if it is requested to by the local investigative agency or if it involves a kidnapping that crosses state lines.

The bottom line is that any suggestion that the FBI conducted a comprehensive search of all missing persons cases throughout North America is false.

I do recall some suspect files (I read hundreds of them) came from tips - some of the tips included the person being missing or hadn't been seen for some time and the like ... we arent in any position to really make a statement about this. I guess that's my main point. People's missing reports are sometimes hearsay. People sometimes go missing intentionally for reasons having nothing to do with DB Cooper! (like kids running from the Nazis during WWII and its aftermath ....).

If you had to choose between having the FBI's partial vs a missing person report - which would you take?

*According to NamUs (National Missing and Unidentified Persons System), more than 600,000 persons go missing in the United States every year as a conservative estimate. Anywhere between 89 - 92 percent of those missing people are recovered every year, either alive or deceased or surface on their own. A large fraction surface on their own.
I'm not knocking the effort of the FBI. I'm just pointing out that it doesn't appear to be a comphrensive cross-reference of missing person cases at that time. That may not have been possible in 1971.

Some have assumed that because Cooper wasn't reported as missing, then that means he survived the jumped and went on and lived a long life. My point is that is not an accurate assumption to make. People can be missing and not appear in any list or database or report. Cooper might have been among them.

Something else I did when I went through these databases was to look at middle-age John Does, i.e. unidentified bodies of middle-aged men found in Oregon and Washington state in the years surrounding the hijacking. The goal was to identify the *kind* of person who can disappear and/or die and not be missed.

These men fell into two categories: homeless substance abusers (one interesting one was a well-known drug abuser at a hobo camp), and what I labelled "mountain men", rural men without friends or family who often travelled deep into the forest to commit suicide late in their lives.

Neither archetype fit my profile for Cooper so I moved on, however it would be interesting to see more research in this area.