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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3015 on: March 03, 2021, 04:40:12 PM »
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You have to be careful looking at weather from most of these sites. they are ground winds only. winds aloft can and are greater the higher you go and they can also change direction from ground winds..same for temps, they will differ as well..
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3016 on: March 03, 2021, 04:52:14 PM »
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You have to be careful looking at weather from most of these sites. they are ground winds only. winds aloft can and are greater the higher you go and they can also change direction from ground winds..same for temps, they will differ as well..
Yeah, that's why I'd like to take a look at Tom's weather data if it exists. Tom himself seems to suggest that the wind pattern was more southerly than is commonly believed.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3017 on: March 03, 2021, 05:20:45 PM »
On our ham radio jumps (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login) we open a few seconds after exiting. This gives us maximum hang time under open canopy to make radio contacts. We are exposed to winds aloft for much longer than free falling jumpers so we have to pay close attention to them in calculating our exit point. I’ve made radio jumps from as high as 18,000 ft. Winds up high can be screaming, as high as 50 knots or even more, with winds on the ground slow enough for safe landings (under 18 mph). I once made a jump from 18000 ft over Monterey CA where the winds at jump altitude were 67 knots. Winds on the ground were about 10 knots. I don’t really know what Cooper’s jump weather was like but I do know that there can be huge differences between winds aloft and winds on the ground.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3018 on: March 07, 2021, 05:25:16 AM »
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Flyjack is now addressing all of 99's and Ulis' claims over at DZ: from Tie to Winds to Kaye data etc: 
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Who gives a damn what he says?

Now if he wants to man-up and debate LIVE on Darren's podcast, I'm down with that. But of course, that's not as easy as gas lighting everything from a computer screen in Canada.

Not sure if you are aware but I went over to that site, my first time, and I see about 3 hours agao, in the wee hours, they have mentioned you on the Cooper thread about this June party they are having.  Something about you selling tickets?  Just letting you know in case you were not aware.  I am letting you know because they have updated or edited the post.

So they mention $1400 was found?  This is seperate from the Tena Bar money find?  Never heard that before.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3019 on: March 07, 2021, 10:12:15 AM »
It costs money to do anything. you can't expect everything to be free. Robert Blevins whined about the museum charging $10 for parking. Robert goes negative at the first thing he doesn't like. he couldn't even afford to do anything without Greg.

If you wish to speak about money and Roberts free event, this would only apply if you have a tent and supplies needed for several days in the woods. you can bet it will exceed any cost of any other Cooper event if you have to buy everything needed to go to the free event. is this bad, of course not but it's no different than whining about an entrance fee.

Eric holds an event every year and you won't see all the 3rd grade schoolboy tactics Robert spews post after post. it's all hateful comments and redundant copy/paste drama. it's done in a professional manor.

The $1400 found was on Christensen's property and wasn't part of the ransom money and wasn't all in 20 dollar bills. I know plenty of people including myself who have buried money.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3020 on: March 07, 2021, 10:32:23 AM »
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It costs money to do anything. you can't expect everything to be free. Robert Blevins whined about the museum charging $10 for parking. Robert goes negative at the first thing he doesn't like. he couldn't even afford to do anything without Greg.

If you wish to speak about money and Roberts free event, this would only apply if you have a tent and supplies needed for several days in the woods. you can bet it will exceed any cost of any other Cooper event if you have to buy everything needed to go to the free event. is this bad, of course not but it's no different than whining about an entrance fee.

Eric holds an event every year and you won't see all the 3rd grade schoolboy tactics Robert spews post after post. it's all hateful comments and redundant copy/paste drama. it's done in a professional manor.

The $1400 found was on Christensen's property and wasn't part of the ransom money and wasn't all in 20 dollar bills. I know plenty of people including myself who have buried money.

Shutter, so that money, none of the serial numbers matched?  As for spending money, I have mentioned before, at least 3 or 4 times the money DB made off with has been spent trying to find him.  And still counting.  LOL
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3021 on: March 07, 2021, 12:15:02 PM »
I think you are forgetting it's a government funded operation. probably millions spent with the FBI. I read a lot of comments on YouTube with the younger generation speaking out about the time gap, the amount stolen and what they have spent looking for him and it's all negative believing it's a waste of tax payers money.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3022 on: March 07, 2021, 07:20:17 PM »
One has to wonder why Kenny Christiansen would bother burying money when he had that really groovy hiding place in his attic...hmmmm.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3023 on: March 07, 2021, 11:01:29 PM »
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One has to wonder why Kenny Christiansen would bother burying money when he had that really groovy hiding place in his attic...hmmmm.

Best chuckle of the day, Parrot.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3024 on: March 08, 2021, 12:38:54 PM »
So did the third stewardess, who  we never hear much about, Hancock, weigh in on his age and all of that?   She is rarely mentioned but must have gotten a good look?
 

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« Reply #3025 on: March 08, 2021, 01:29:50 PM »
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So did the third stewardess, who  we never hear much about, Hancock, weigh in on his age and all of that?   She is rarely mentioned but must have gotten a good look?

Interview of Hancock - I think its in the Vault here.

11/24/71 Hancock Interview:
Alice Hancock a stewardess aboard Northwest Airlines Flight #305 provided the following information:
On November 24, 1971, Hancock stated that the individual who hijacked Northwest Airlines Flight #305, a Boeing 727, boarded the aircraft at Portland OR, and at the time he boarded he was carrying a briefcase which measured about 12 by 18 inches, and was dark brown or black in color. She stated that the hijacker handed another stewardess (Florence Schaffner)  a ransom note demanding $200,000 dollars in cash. Hancock believes that the note was handed to Schaffner very shortly before takeoff from Portland. Hancock advised that the hijacker’s demands were communicated to the Captain of the aircraft via the aircraft’s intercom by another stewardess named Mucklow. 
Hancock stated that the note the hijacker handed to Schaffner stated the hijacker had a bomb, in a briefcase he was carrying, and that he wanted $200,000 dollars and absolutely no trickery or interference or he would explode the bomb he said he was carrying. Hancock also advised the hijacker requested four parachutes. After the hijacker stated these demands, the stewardess named Schaffner went to the cockpit of the aircraft (with the note the hijacker had written and another list of his demands she had written as the hijacker dictated his demands to her), to advise the Captain of the plane of the situation. (In the meantime another stewardess named Mucklow took a seat beside the hijacker). Stewardess Schaffner remained in the cockpit until just before landing in Seattle. Meanwhile the hijacker remained in his seat  and had another stewardess named Mucklow sit by him.     
Hancock stated the hijacker assigned the stewardess named Mucklow to get off the plane in Seattle to get the money he demanded, and then after that she was to go off the airplane again and get four parachutes that he demanded. In addition to the parachutes and the money the hijacker also requested four crew meals. Hancock says that ‘Flo’ had told her that he hijacker wanted to go to Mexico and was very concerned throughout the flight about Sky Marshals being on board the aircraft.

Hancock stated that the subject made his demands known in this order:
1)   He wanted the money brought on board first.
2)   We wanted (passengers) off the aircraft after the money was on board.
3)   We wanted parachutes and four crew meals.
4)   He wanted the plane completely refueled.
5)   We wanted maps.
She could not remember what kind of maps the subject requested.
During the flight, Hancock advises the hijacker wanted continual re-assurance that nothing was going to go wrong.  She stated that the hijacker was good natured during the flight.
After the plane landed (at Seattle) and the passengers were off-loaded, Mucklow was on the telephone updating the hijacker’s demands to the Captain of the aircraft.
 The hijacker then informed Mucklow to tell the other stewardesses and crew to remain on board. At this point Hancock states that the pilots of the aircraft wanted the stewardesses off the plane. (They tried to arrange this with the hijacker through Mucklow). Once the stewardesses were off the aircraft, Hancock states that the pilots had planned to get off the aircraft by jumping out through (a door in) the cockpit. (The hijacker however would not let Mucklow come forward).  None of this happened because the hijacker could see them and they feared that he would set off  the bomb that he had in his briefcase.
Then Schaffner went to the back of the plane and asked the hijacker directly if the stewardesses could go and he said: Whatever you girls would like”. Then Hancock and Schaffner left the plane with Mucklow still in the back with the hijacker.
Hancock describes the subject as a male Caucasian, olive complexion, age 38-45, 6’1”, 170-175 lbs, slim build, black hair, wavy (marcelled) and short on the back (Continental look?), He wore no hat and wore sunglasses with plastic frames which looked like prescription glasses. He wore a black trench coat, white shirt and tie, and dark slacks. He wore no gloves and was soft-spoken and had no accent. He had no visible scars or marks.   
Hancock states that he had his hand inside the brief case at all times when he and Mucklow were seated together in row 18.
(During her final minutes on board and after the parachutes had been brought aboard), Hancock noticed that one of the parachutes had been unpacked and she asked the hijacker if he had taken the parachute apart and he replied “yes”.   Hancock says the hijacker began unpacking one chute and cutting cords almost as soon as the chutes were brought on board.


 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3026 on: March 09, 2021, 08:05:53 PM »
I've encouraged Eric to find a way to get Alice to CooperCon21. Ms. Hancock is a tough cookie, and as we ALL know, my "nice" is generally "not nice enough" to get the interview.
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3027 on: March 11, 2021, 04:18:48 PM »
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I've encouraged Eric to find a way to get Alice to CooperCon21. Ms. Hancock is a tough cookie, and as we ALL know, my "nice" is generally "not nice enough" to get the interview.
Ive always found you to be very  nice and personable. Anyway, I a sure you have heard of the experiments they did and proved beyond any doubt that WOMEN HAVE FAR BETTER ATTENTION TO DETAIL THAN MEN.  They send men and women into the same room in a psychology experiment, and the woman, kicked the mens ass for lack of a better description at remembering all the details in the room.  This could be a good thing in the case of the composite drawing and other things. Who knows what Ms Hancock, the overlooked one in all of this , can say?  Thats all.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3028 on: March 11, 2021, 11:13:20 PM »
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I've encouraged Eric to find a way to get Alice to CooperCon21. Ms. Hancock is a tough cookie, and as we ALL know, my "nice" is generally "not nice enough" to get the interview.

...I've always found you to be very  nice and personable....


Thank you. Maybe you can tell Tina for me...
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3029 on: March 11, 2021, 11:35:24 PM »
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I've encouraged Eric to find a way to get Alice to CooperCon21. Ms. Hancock is a tough cookie, and as we ALL know, my "nice" is generally "not nice enough" to get the interview.
Ive always found you to be very  nice and personable. Anyway, I a sure you have heard of the experiments they did and proved beyond any doubt that WOMEN HAVE FAR BETTER ATTENTION TO DETAIL THAN MEN.  They send men and women into the same room in a psychology experiment, and the woman, kicked the mens ass for lack of a better description at remembering all the details in the room.  This could be a good thing in the case of the composite drawing and other things. Who knows what Ms Hancock, the overlooked one in all of this , can say?  Thats all.

some well known statistical confirmation of your observation. Girls 5-12 in our culture always out-score boys in analytical and perceptual skills (like math and story detail recollection). There may be a genetic component to this. Its probably due to how girls are nurtured vs boys to age 12. By age 14 the curves begin to merge and by 20 boys traditionally surpass girls in technical skills in tests, as a class. Boys then go on to science and technical training - girls take other occupational tracks except for the few that have very high intelligence and the drive to succeed as doctors, lawyers, etc.  More women in technical occupations today than ever before ... far more than in their mother's and grandmother's generations. Remember the old right brain vs left brain stereotype for Men vs Women?

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