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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Offline DBfan57

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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #6780 on: January 26, 2023, 02:40:18 PM »
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            I also hope that there are still people here to discuss the case. I prefer this site as well. I enjoy the discussions at the Dropzone forum. I haven't been on the FB site. ( not sure I would be welcome 😂 lol )
Why wouldn't you be welcome? We have over 3500 members there. All opinions and backgrounds welcome, including yours.

That said, I also wish this forum had more activity. Not sure why it has fallen off...

I confess this is my first visit in quite some time,  I think some people, myself included, find that this case is very close to being, unsolvable.  The final act that sealed it was the loss of the cigarette butts.  DNA is a very powerful tool in crime and forensics.  There can only be a few possible smoking guns to come about here.  And they are highly unlikely.  I see a new Zodiac video on YouTube.  That one likely is more solvable?  I saw your plane post. Nice.  The 727.
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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #6781 on: January 28, 2023, 02:19:25 PM »
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            I also hope that there are still people here to discuss the case. I prefer this site as well. I enjoy the discussions at the Dropzone forum. I haven't been on the FB site. ( not sure I would be welcome 😂 lol )
Why wouldn't you be welcome? We have over 3500 members there. All opinions and backgrounds welcome, including yours.

That said, I also wish this forum had more activity. Not sure why it has fallen off...

I confess this is my first visit in quite some time,  I think some people, myself included, find that this case is very close to being, unsolvable.  The final act that sealed it was the loss of the cigarette butts.  DNA is a very powerful tool in crime and forensics.  There can only be a few possible smoking guns to come about here.  And they are highly unlikely.  I see a new Zodiac video on YouTube.  That one likely is more solvable?  I saw your plane post. Nice.  The 727.
I agree that the case is unsolvable. I do not think there is enough physical evidence to tie to a single suspect. The tie particles MAY limit the pool of people Cooper could be, but I simply do not think (in the absence of DNA) that we will ever get an answer beyond a reasonable doubt.

That said, I have busied myself with other aspects of the case. I have done a deep dive into the evolution of the dropzone along with the communications that night. I've also spent a lot of time speaking to experts in regards to Tena Bar in an effort to bust some of the commonly believed myths.

At this point, the Cooper case it more of a thought exercise rather than an effort to identify a particular suspect.

As far as not as many people posting here as in the past, I think the FB group has sucked a lot of the oxygen out of the room. Unlike the DZ, there isn't anywhere near the level of toxicity and unlike here, anyone is welcome to join and contribute.  I think the Vortex is evolving and expanding and I'm not sure some of the older generation of Cooper researchers can adapt. It's friendlier, less contentious, less competitive, and more collaborative than a decade ago.

This isn't my site, obviously. It's Shutter's. But I would like to see this forum evolve into a place where it's an "experts only" forum. Where the most experienced, knowledgeable, and respected Cooper researchers can come and discuss the case and collaborate. Just my two cents.
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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #6782 on: January 30, 2023, 07:10:19 PM »
       I cursed myself when I said I would have time to post this past weekend! I apologize for the delay.  Soon, I promise.
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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #6783 on: January 31, 2023, 09:00:34 AM »
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I agree that the case is unsolvable.

I don't agree that it is unsolvable. "Highly unlikely" is probably the wording that I would use. Plus, look at how many folks have already solved it :)).
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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #6784 on: January 31, 2023, 09:02:19 PM »
Just eats me up that we still having living witnesses that aren’t able to at least let the FBI know when a suspect looks exactly like who they spoke to and observed. It’s spells coverup to me!
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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #6785 on: February 01, 2023, 12:54:51 PM »
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Just eats me up that we still having living witnesses that aren’t able to at least let the FBI know when a suspect looks exactly like who they spoke to and observed. It’s spells coverup to me!

I think its just more of a case of people not remembering exactly what the guy looks like 50 years later. It's hard. They can remember certain features, but to look at a photo and say "that's the guy". I suspect it would be hard for them to do that, even if it were "the guy".

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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #6786 on: February 05, 2023, 11:21:16 PM »
So when Tina said Rackstraw definitely wasn’t the guy, we need to forget about that? I mean she was sitting there with a former Assistant Director of The FBI.

I can’t tell you how I know this, but I promise you this is a fact. Mrs. Tina said LD Cooper is the closest looking person to the man she remembered. His olive skin, his square jaw, his receding hairline, etc.

In my opinion, Cooper will look a lot like LD Cooper.
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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #6787 on: February 06, 2023, 03:14:46 PM »
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So when Tina said Rackstraw definitely wasn’t the guy, we need to forget about that? I mean she was sitting there with a former Assistant Director of The FBI.

I can’t tell you how I know this, but I promise you this is a fact. Mrs. Tina said LD Cooper is the closest looking person to the man she remembered. His olive skin, his square jaw, his receding hairline, etc.

In my opinion, Cooper will look a lot like LD Cooper.

There are an unlimited number of reasons to discount Rackstraw.

Didn't one of the recent 302 releases have something about Tina saying something along those lines about LD? Regardless, I had heard / read something to that effect somewhere. I highly doubt that LD is Cooper. But I do think he's a pretty good match to the description. Not sure what his height, eye color is though.

(This should probably be moved to the suspects page).
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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #6788 on: February 09, 2023, 03:36:11 PM »
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            I also hope that there are still people here to discuss the case. I prefer this site as well. I enjoy the discussions at the Dropzone forum. I haven't been on the FB site. ( not sure I would be welcome 😂 lol )
Why wouldn't you be welcome? We have over 3500 members there. All opinions and backgrounds welcome, including yours.

That said, I also wish this forum had more activity. Not sure why it has fallen off...

I confess this is my first visit in quite some time,  I think some people, myself included, find that this case is very close to being, unsolvable.  The final act that sealed it was the loss of the cigarette butts.  DNA is a very powerful tool in crime and forensics.  There can only be a few possible smoking guns to come about here.  And they are highly unlikely.  I see a new Zodiac video on YouTube.  That one likely is more solvable?  I saw your plane post. Nice.  The 727.
I agree that the case is unsolvable. I do not think there is enough physical evidence to tie to a single suspect. The tie particles MAY limit the pool of people Cooper could be, but I simply do not think (in the absence of DNA) that we will ever get an answer beyond a reasonable doubt.

That said, I have busied myself with other aspects of the case. I have done a deep dive into the evolution of the dropzone along with the communications that night. I've also spent a lot of time speaking to experts in regards to Tena Bar in an effort to bust some of the commonly believed myths.

At this point, the Cooper case it more of a thought exercise rather than an effort to identify a particular suspect.

As far as not as many people posting here as in the past, I think the FB group has sucked a lot of the oxygen out of the room. Unlike the DZ, there isn't anywhere near the level of toxicity and unlike here, anyone is welcome to join and contribute.  I think the Vortex is evolving and expanding and I'm not sure some of the older generation of Cooper researchers can adapt. It's friendlier, less contentious, less competitive, and more collaborative than a decade ago.

This isn't my site, obviously. It's Shutter's. But I would like to see this forum evolve into a place where it's an "experts only" forum. Where the most experienced, knowledgeable, and respected Cooper researchers can come and discuss the case and collaborate. Just my two cents.

I agree to being able to have this site be "experts only."  The Facebook group has its uses, and it has allowed a lot more people to get involved, but it does get saturated with posts and replies.  I do think we have lost the participation of some of the regulars on Facebook due to that saturation.  The DZ has a couple people who don't post here, so to engage with them you really need to use that site, although Georger might want to come back here.

I'd like to see this forum get busier again.  I felt that we did not use it to talk suspects as much and focused on more technical aspects of the case.  I don't want it to be for the elite, but I feel Shutter had a good method for vetting new folks.  I see things like this:  Reddit is for the general public. DZ is to engage with those who don't want to be on here or FB, and FB is for a more general audience.  Well researched people seem to be able to hover back and forth between all of those, so bringing the tempo back here would not necessarily mean shutting down the good parts of the other sites.
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