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« Reply #8280 on: October 12, 2021, 10:59:39 PM »
Mr. Oranchak is a friend of mine, and as I have explained before, he and two other gentlemen solved the Z340 last year. The other Zodiac cipher, the Z408 was solved in 1969.

He will be giving presentations to both the FBI and NSA later this year on how the Z340 was solved. I’ll post it here when I can.
 

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« Reply #8281 on: October 12, 2021, 11:05:03 PM »
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Mr. Oranchak is a friend of mine, and as I have explained before, he and two other gentlemen solved the Z340 last year. The other Zodiac cipher, the Z408 was solved in 1969.

He will be giving presentations to both the FBI and NSA later this year on how the Z340 was solved. I’ll post it here when I can.

I thought this article was interesting, where the author mused that possibly Zodiac got his idea about how to make the Z340 more complicated than the first cipher, from newspaper article at the time.

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"But what inspired the added complexity and the diagonal shift employed by the Zodiac Killer in his encryption technique on November 8th 1969. The trigger may have been his 408 cipher and the detailed attempt to break it in the Vallejo News Chronicle on August 4th 1969, at a time when the Zodiac Killer would undoubtedly have been scrutinizing the newspapers for progress on his 408 cipher."


The cryptogram fan from San Francisco, a graduate student, made some observations regarding the 408 cipher (shown on the left). While his analysis wasn't wholly accurate, it is this newspaper article that may have bearings on the technique employed by the Zodiac Killer when designing his 340 cipher. On page two of this newspaper article it continued "The pattern beginning to take shape apparently will end up a three-tiered diagonal structure composed of sections, of each of the three ciphers."

The Zodiac Killer's 340 cipher, that followed the October 13th 1969 letter, was three-tiered just like the 408 cipher, but crucially it was structured diagonally for the majority of the coding, as postulated in the newspaper. The title of the newspaper article was Text Of Letter May Offer Clues, but did it offer the inspiration for the Zodiac Killer to create a diagonal shift in his 340 cipher just three months later?


The idea of why the Zodiac did his Z340 that way, is vastly interesting. Even the fact that he had an apparent error in transcription.

Non-linear thinking (either through error or intent) can be so great at confounding.
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #8282 on: October 12, 2021, 11:17:29 PM »
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Mr. Oranchak is a friend of mine, and as I have explained before, he and two other gentlemen solved the Z340 last year. The other Zodiac cipher, the Z408 was solved in 1969.

He will be giving presentations to both the FBI and NSA later this year on how the Z340 was solved. I’ll post it here when I can.

I thought this article was interesting, where the author mused that possibly Zodiac got his idea about how to make the Z340 more complicated than the first cipher, from newspaper article at the time.

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"But what inspired the added complexity and the diagonal shift employed by the Zodiac Killer in his encryption technique on November 8th 1969. The trigger may have been his 408 cipher and the detailed attempt to break it in the Vallejo News Chronicle on August 4th 1969, at a time when the Zodiac Killer would undoubtedly have been scrutinizing the newspapers for progress on his 408 cipher."


The cryptogram fan from San Francisco, a graduate student, made some observations regarding the 408 cipher (shown on the left). While his analysis wasn't wholly accurate, it is this newspaper article that may have bearings on the technique employed by the Zodiac Killer when designing his 340 cipher. On page two of this newspaper article it continued "The pattern beginning to take shape apparently will end up a three-tiered diagonal structure composed of sections, of each of the three ciphers."

The Zodiac Killer's 340 cipher, that followed the October 13th 1969 letter, was three-tiered just like the 408 cipher, but crucially it was structured diagonally for the majority of the coding, as postulated in the newspaper. The title of the newspaper article was Text Of Letter May Offer Clues, but did it offer the inspiration for the Zodiac Killer to create a diagonal shift in his 340 cipher just three months later?


The idea of why the Zodiac did his Z340 that way, is vastly interesting. Even the fact that he had an apparent error in transcription.

Non-linear thinking (either through error or intent) can be so great at confounding.

Chaucer and Snowmman, who am I suppose to believe here your fellows or the FBI?  I accept at face value the FBI's statement this past weekend that none, repeat none, of the Zodiac ciphers have been solved.
 

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« Reply #8283 on: October 12, 2021, 11:35:52 PM »
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Chaucer and Snowmman, who am I suppose to believe here your fellows or the FBI?  I accept at face value the FBI's statement this past weekend that none, repeat none, of the Zodiac ciphers have been solved.

I looked for such a statement from the FBI and couldn't find it.
They said Zodiac is an open investigation.
As far as I can tell, they didn't say the cipher solutions were wrong. (I'm talking the 2020 solution)
They had previously said the solution made sense.

Do you have a link to something that says the FBI says the Z340 solution is wrong? I couldn't find one.

I always provide links to info I source. Why don't you?

EDIT: Oh I think I get it. You think this latest thing about Gary Poste, which the FBI says is wrong, is somehow linked to the Z340 decode last year.

It's not.

You don't seem to understand this latest Gary Poste claim, and the Z340 cipher decode last year, are two different things.

You didn't read the FBI denials close enough.
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« Reply #8284 on: October 12, 2021, 11:42:52 PM »
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Mr. Oranchak is a friend of mine, and as I have explained before, he and two other gentlemen solved the Z340 last year. The other Zodiac cipher, the Z408 was solved in 1969.

He will be giving presentations to both the FBI and NSA later this year on how the Z340 was solved. I’ll post it here when I can.

I thought this article was interesting, where the author mused that possibly Zodiac got his idea about how to make the Z340 more complicated than the first cipher, from newspaper article at the time.

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"But what inspired the added complexity and the diagonal shift employed by the Zodiac Killer in his encryption technique on November 8th 1969. The trigger may have been his 408 cipher and the detailed attempt to break it in the Vallejo News Chronicle on August 4th 1969, at a time when the Zodiac Killer would undoubtedly have been scrutinizing the newspapers for progress on his 408 cipher."


The cryptogram fan from San Francisco, a graduate student, made some observations regarding the 408 cipher (shown on the left). While his analysis wasn't wholly accurate, it is this newspaper article that may have bearings on the technique employed by the Zodiac Killer when designing his 340 cipher. On page two of this newspaper article it continued "The pattern beginning to take shape apparently will end up a three-tiered diagonal structure composed of sections, of each of the three ciphers."

The Zodiac Killer's 340 cipher, that followed the October 13th 1969 letter, was three-tiered just like the 408 cipher, but crucially it was structured diagonally for the majority of the coding, as postulated in the newspaper. The title of the newspaper article was Text Of Letter May Offer Clues, but did it offer the inspiration for the Zodiac Killer to create a diagonal shift in his 340 cipher just three months later?


The idea of why the Zodiac did his Z340 that way, is vastly interesting. Even the fact that he had an apparent error in transcription.

Non-linear thinking (either through error or intent) can be so great at confounding.

Chaucer and Snowmman, who am I suppose to believe here your fellows or the FBI?  I accept at face value the FBI's statement this past weekend that none, repeat none, of the Zodiac ciphers have been solved.
Sorry. This is just factually untrue.

The FBI and local law enforcement released statements that the Zodiac case remains unsolved due to Tom Colbert’s claim that it had. There was no mention of the ciphers. The Z408 was solved in 1969 and the Z340 was solved last year. Those are facts.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #8285 on: October 13, 2021, 01:18:06 AM »
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Mr. Oranchak is a friend of mine, and as I have explained before, he and two other gentlemen solved the Z340 last year. The other Zodiac cipher, the Z408 was solved in 1969.

He will be giving presentations to both the FBI and NSA later this year on how the Z340 was solved. I’ll post it here when I can.

I thought this article was interesting, where the author mused that possibly Zodiac got his idea about how to make the Z340 more complicated than the first cipher, from newspaper article at the time.

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"But what inspired the added complexity and the diagonal shift employed by the Zodiac Killer in his encryption technique on November 8th 1969. The trigger may have been his 408 cipher and the detailed attempt to break it in the Vallejo News Chronicle on August 4th 1969, at a time when the Zodiac Killer would undoubtedly have been scrutinizing the newspapers for progress on his 408 cipher."


The cryptogram fan from San Francisco, a graduate student, made some observations regarding the 408 cipher (shown on the left). While his analysis wasn't wholly accurate, it is this newspaper article that may have bearings on the technique employed by the Zodiac Killer when designing his 340 cipher. On page two of this newspaper article it continued "The pattern beginning to take shape apparently will end up a three-tiered diagonal structure composed of sections, of each of the three ciphers."

The Zodiac Killer's 340 cipher, that followed the October 13th 1969 letter, was three-tiered just like the 408 cipher, but crucially it was structured diagonally for the majority of the coding, as postulated in the newspaper. The title of the newspaper article was Text Of Letter May Offer Clues, but did it offer the inspiration for the Zodiac Killer to create a diagonal shift in his 340 cipher just three months later?


The idea of why the Zodiac did his Z340 that way, is vastly interesting. Even the fact that he had an apparent error in transcription.

Non-linear thinking (either through error or intent) can be so great at confounding.

Chaucer and Snowmman, who am I suppose to believe here your fellows or the FBI?  I accept at face value the FBI's statement this past weekend that none, repeat none, of the Zodiac ciphers have been solved.
Sorry. This is just factually untrue.

The FBI and local law enforcement released statements that the Zodiac case remains unsolved due to Tom Colbert’s claim that it had. There was no mention of the ciphers. The Z408 was solved in 1969 and the Z340 was solved last year. Those are facts.

Those are not facts.  Check the Saturday news related to the Colbert claims.  Where do you get your news anyway?
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #8286 on: October 13, 2021, 04:36:50 PM »
I don't know what more to say. It's like trying to tell someone the sky is blue, and they continue to argue that it's red.
 

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« Reply #8287 on: October 13, 2021, 05:29:26 PM »
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I don't know what more to say. It's like trying to tell someone the sky is blue, and they continue to argue that it's red.

Yeah. And Robert99, it undermines your statements when you want to convince people of other things that are more debatable.

Instead of lecturing us about math, start by showing that you actually do keep yourself up to date with information.

Just ranting loudly doesn't really mean anything. You have to walk the talk.
 

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« Reply #8288 on: October 15, 2021, 01:57:43 PM »
New FBI file release You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login /d.b.-cooper-part-63-of-63/view           

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« Reply #8289 on: October 18, 2021, 02:13:04 PM »
 Former Secretary of State Colin Powell died today after suffering from complications from Covid-19 despite being fully vaccinated; Powell was already dealing with  a form of myeloma when he apparently got exposed to the Covid virus.

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« Reply #8290 on: October 31, 2021, 11:30:47 AM »
There is a new book coming out 11/24 by a British researcher.  Link is below.  Darren may be having him on his show too.  From what I can tell, it focuses a lot on the flight path, but also it seems that this is very well researched. 

If you go on Amazon and click on the photos of the book, you can see a few samples of pages from within the book, to include a bibliography.  I saw Georger's name mentioned in the sources, as well as this forum. 

It is selling for about $25. I pre-ordered it.  I have not ordered a book on the case in quite a while, as most focus on a specific suspect.  Not that I'm opposed to "suspects", as I do have my own, but I just personally have a preference for Bruce's and Martin's books that are case focused.

I think I've seen some of this author's post on Twitter, but I'm having trouble finding his handle again.  I think he may post here as well.

Anyhow, I'm looking forward to the book.  I don't know if we will see anything revolutionary, but I'm guessing there will be some discussion about it. Even little tidbits on the case keep me interested.

D. B. Cooper and Flight 305: Reexamining the Hijacking and Disappearance Hardcover – November 24, 2021
by Robert H. Edwards (Author)

-https://www.amazon.com/Cooper-Flight-305-Reexamining-Disappearance/dp/0764362569/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=db+cooper&qid=1635693017&sr=8-3-  take the dashes out to get to the link.
 
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #8291 on: November 01, 2021, 06:06:17 PM »
Bruce,

Are you having email issues? I tried to send you one and it bounced back to me.
 

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« Reply #8292 on: November 02, 2021, 09:44:13 PM »
Tom Colbert called me this evening to see how I was doing. he has been working on unsolved murders, Hoffa, Zodiac etc. he's sending me some links that I will post later about how some of the messages from the Zodiac were indeed cracked as mentioned in the past.

Update: Just got the email..what he sent me has not been published. I'll have to ask him about making the info public...
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« Reply #8293 on: November 02, 2021, 11:24:22 PM »
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Tom Colbert called me this evening to see how I was doing. he has been working on unsolved murders, Hoffa, Zodiac etc. he's sending me some links that I will post later about how some of the messages from the Zodiac were indeed cracked as mentioned in the past.

Update: Just got the email..what he sent me has not been published. I'll have to ask him about making the info public...
I’m curious to see what he has.

Here are the facts:

The Z408 was solved by Donald Harden and his wife in August of 1969. This is the cipher that begins “I LIKE KILLING…” and includes references to the short story The Most Dangerous Game. The solution was verified by the FBI, the NSA, and Naval codebreakers. There is no dispute as to its accuracy.

The Z340 was solved by a team of David Oranchak and two other gentlemen in December of 2020. The cipher references a hoaxed appearance on a TV show and talks about how he isn’t afraid of the gas chamber. This solution has also been verified by the FBI’s Cryptoanalysis and Racketeering Records Unit. This is their official statement:

“Over the past 51 years, the CRRU has reviewed numerous proposed solutions form the public - none of which had merit. The cipher was was recently solved by a team of three private citizens.”

The two other Zodiac ciphers (the Z13 and the Z32) remain unsolved, and likely will never be solved because the shorter the code, the more potential solutions.

Regarding Colbert’s Zodiac investigation:  it has been widely mocked in the Zodiac community. His suspect Gary Poole has been thoroughly vetted by the online community and the whole things smells of a craven publicity stunt. His team’s press release repeatedly misspelled names of victims and their alleged cipher solutions were based on anagrams. The previously mentioned Mr. Oranchak has debunked these solutions on his YouTube page.

The bottom line is that Colbert’s suspect is very poor and any suggestion of a cipher solution should be taken with an entire shaker of salt.

That said, I’d still like to see what he has.
 

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« Reply #8294 on: November 02, 2021, 11:40:01 PM »
Here is a link he sent that is published..

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