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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #8250 on: October 03, 2021, 04:35:58 PM »
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Wow.

Jo's passing is like watching the eye of the hurricane pass overhead. Weird, but real, and such a change in the natural order.

Jo staked her claim to the DB Cooper case, and the rest is history. Sadly, Jo was not the Cooper case but only an opportunist feeding on it. Maybe the whole thing was a cry for help! Jo played her game but she was careful not to claim her husband was Ted Kaczynski, or that Ckret was her son! Jo's shifting claims always avoided any final judgement. Like a shell game with no pea. Jo herself was smoke and mirrors with a $100 bill and a bottle of champagne exchanged at an airport. Everyone has to make a living doing something.   

Georger, your comparison to a shell game with no pea is very appropriate.  When all was said and done, there wasn't anything there in all of Jo's claims.

When the DropZone site was locked a few years ago, Jo and Blevins were making about 50 percent of the posts.  Jo faded away but Blevins rose from wherever when the DZ site was reopened recently.

However, Blevins seems to be going through some kind of crisis himself at this point.  Blevins movie star wife has headed to California without him and he has moved to Yakima.  Plus, he is now joining the UFO universe.

Bruce is correct that sea changes in the Cooper Universe are in progress.

The point I am making is, these people are not part of the Cooper story and never were. They are a social-internet phenomenon only. Jo might as well have been posting about her trips to Venus, and Blevins the same. Has nothing to do with the DB Cooper case. All myth and innuendo. But it has occupied a lot of peoples' time.
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #8251 on: October 03, 2021, 04:52:29 PM »
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Wow.

Jo's passing is like watching the eye of the hurricane pass overhead. Weird, but real, and such a change in the natural order.

Jo staked her claim to the DB Cooper case, and the rest is history. Sadly, Jo was not the Cooper case but only an opportunist feeding on it. Maybe the whole thing was a cry for help! Jo played her game but she was careful not to claim her husband was Ted Kaczynski, or that Ckret was her son! Jo's shifting claims always avoided any final judgement. Like a shell game with no pea. Jo herself was smoke and mirrors with a $100 bill and a bottle of champagne exchanged at an airport. Everyone has to make a living doing something.   

Georger, your comparison to a shell game with no pea is very appropriate.  When all was said and done, there wasn't anything there in all of Jo's claims.

When the DropZone site was locked a few years ago, Jo and Blevins were making about 50 percent of the posts.  Jo faded away but Blevins rose from wherever when the DZ site was reopened recently.

However, Blevins seems to be going through some kind of crisis himself at this point.  Blevins movie star wife has headed to California without him and he has moved to Yakima.  Plus, he is now joining the UFO universe.

Bruce is correct that sea changes in the Cooper Universe are in progress.

The point I am making is, these people are not part of the Cooper story and never were. They are a social-internet phenomenon only. Jo might as well have been posting about her trips to Venus, and Blevins the same. Has nothing to do with the DB Cooper case. All myth and innuendo. But it has occupied a lot of peoples' time.

True!  And delayed and marginalized honest efforts to resolve the Cooper hijacking.
 
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #8252 on: October 03, 2021, 07:44:34 PM »
Remembering Jo

Jo Weber drove me crazy. She’d call me at all hours of the day or night and talk incessantly. I learned to put her on a time-limit, and in the last year of our relationship – two years before she passed away in February 2021 – I would tell her I “had to go in five minutes,” and when that mark was exceeded, I’d say, “Jo, I really have got to go,” and just hang up the phone.

But now she’s gone, and I feel like I’ve lost a member of the family, a sister even. She was part of our little family of Cooper researchers, and I had known Jo as long as I had known anyone in the Cooper firmament. I first encountered her at the DZ in 2008, where I first met all of the other notables of Cooper World – Snowmman, 377, Ckret, Georger, Sluggo, JT, Galen. From 2008 until the DZ’s close in 2014, Jo and I traded barbs daily, often many times a day.

But tonight, I feel sad. Teary even, and I’m surprised. Jo’s specialty was getting under your skin, and I guess she got under mine in ways I never knew until now.

For those who might have known the “old Jo” – for she faded in the past few years as her health declined and she ended up in a memory care facility in Pensacola in 2020 – the old gal was a fire ball. At the DZ she posted 2-3,000 words a day on why her husband Duane Weber was DB Cooper, or how the FBI was impeding her latest evidentiary quest, or telling us all about a newly remembered tidbit of Duane’s life that just happened to fit neatly into the latest finding or hypothesis in the Norjak case. Ever the saint, 377 would kindly explain to Jo why her latest gambit was flawed. The rest of us just smirked at the two of them because we knew it was all a grand dance.

When the DZ reopened in 2017, Jo went back at it, although I never visited due to the ugliness of the site. Jo was eventually banned at the new and improved chat room – The DB Cooper Forum - by its moderator Shutter, for reasons that I can’t remember at the moment. But Jo was always contentious and accusative, insane at times and silly at others, but always real – like bad weather or a flat tire. As a result, Shutter probably didn’t have the patience for Jo’s daily assaults and whining. Her laments about her computers and Internet service were constant, yet she never seemed to find a technician who could get her back in the saddle. Of note, Jo was never able to post a single photo in all of her time on the Internet.

But she was utterly intriguing, as well. She was smart and well informed. She knew everyone in the Cooper story, and developed access to folks that I didn’t have, even with Snowmman’s assistance, like Jane Mucklow Dormuth. Jo was one of the first to find Tina at the end of her 30-year silence, and she talked with super-warrior and SOG vet Billy Waugh before I even knew about him or his elite commandos. When I finally spoke with Sgt Billy, he told me that he hoped I “wasn’t like that Jo Weber person – she’s totally crazy.” Sgt Waugh has seven Purple Hearts from Korea and Vietnam, so he should know crazy when he sees it.

In addition, Jo knew much about the dark shadows of Norjak, such as MK-Ultra. She even knew about JM Wave, which was a CIA command center that I didn’t even know existed even though it is reportedly the largest intelligence installation in the United States. Of course, she knew about it because Duane had worked there, or so she said.

Or someone had told her, for I often felt that Jo Weber was someone else’s eyes and ears – feeding Jo juicy facts about Norjak and secret government activities to keep track of what the rest of us were doing in our Cooper investigations.

Along those lines, Jo could weasel her way into any conversation about anything. Half of what she said was bull, but half wasn’t, and that’s what made her so attractive – ya just had to find out what was true.

She was persuasive, and after she gave Ralph Himmelsbach the full Jo Weber treatment, the venerable old FBI agent claimed Duane Weber was one of the best DB Cooper suspects he had ever encountered. Jo even charmed the pants off Brian Pasternak of US News and World Report, who similarly touted Duane as Cooper in his internationally acclaimed magazine. When I called Pasternak to discuss Jo, he declined, saying that he didn’t want to jeopardize his new position as communications director for the US Senate Committee on Science and Technology. DBC and Jo had some powerful influences in unexpected places.

On a personal level, Jo was amusing and annoying. I traveled with her through Cooper Country for a couple of days, exploring her most recent memories of Duane and their travels through Oregon and southwestern Washington in 1979. Our day started by my waiting for twenty minutes in her hotel room as she put on make-up, and then she almost got us killed driving her rental SUV three blocks to a diner on Mill Plain Road in Vancouver. After that, I did all the driving. Jo did most of the talking. Sigh.

Physically, Jo was diminutive – about 5’2” and skinny as hell. Maybe 90 pounds. She ate like a picky bird and had numerous digestive disorders, such as Crone’s disease. She gave waitresses fits with her food orders – can’t have this and put that on the side, etc. At the Red Lion in Vancouver, I almost reached across the table to give her a royal head slap and ensure she apologized to the waiter for her incessantly rude requests. At moments like that, she as the worst kind of entitled bitch.

But she always had something to say, and there was never really a dull moment when one was around Jo Weber. That said, I’m glad that no one took her loud rantings seriously in 2013 when she accused me of murdering Earl Cossey. Knowing the King Country Sheriff’s Office, I’m glad I never got arrested, but I sure miss the hell out of Jo tonight now that she’s gone.

Rest in Peace, Jo, and I probably don’t have to tell ya to keep kicking ass, wherever you are.
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #8253 on: October 04, 2021, 12:08:18 AM »
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Remembering Jo

Jo Weber drove me crazy. She’d call me at all hours of the day or night and talk incessantly. I learned to put her on a time-limit, and in the last year of our relationship – two years before she passed away in February 2021 – I would tell her I “had to go in five minutes,” and when that mark was exceeded, I’d say, “Jo, I really have got to go,” and just hang up the phone.

. . .

Rest in Peace, Jo, and I probably don’t have to tell ya to keep kicking ass, wherever you are.

She was persuasive, and after she gave Ralph Himmelsbach the full Jo Weber treatment, the venerable old FBI agent claimed Duane Weber was one of the best DB Cooper suspects he had ever encountered. Jo even charmed the pants off Brian Pasternak of US News and World Report, who similarly touted Duane as Cooper in his internationally acclaimed magazine. When I called Pasternak to discuss Jo, he declined, saying that he didn’t want to jeopardize his new position as communications director for the US Senate Committee on Science and Technology. DBC and Jo had some powerful influences in unexpected places.

Well there it is. That's one version.

In another version Jo called and circumvented Ralph and talked to and got close to Ralph's wife. From that point on every time Jo would call Ralph's home her calls were diverted to  . . . .  ;)  By the end of that Ralph's wife told Jo to STOP and never call again or else.

Bruce did you ever hear of Jo calling Ralph at work? Many calls to Ralph at the Portland FBI office? 

Thats why I say much about Jo is myth and innuendo. The other versions tell a different story. 
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #8254 on: October 04, 2021, 03:34:16 AM »
Nope, never heard anything about Jo calling RH at work.

But I can picture Jo worming her way into Joice's good graces.
 

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« Reply #8255 on: October 04, 2021, 03:36:21 AM »
Georger, how would you characterize Jo's grasp of Norjak - the depth and breath of it all beyond Duane? Simply, what do you think she was all about?
 

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« Reply #8256 on: October 04, 2021, 05:48:10 AM »
Nice tribute Bruce. I’ll miss Jo even though she was a distraction and resource burner in the Cooper case. Duane got lucky when he married Jo. She was attractive, vivacious and gave this small time thief, grifter and jailbird a posthumous shot at being reinvented as one of the most innovative criminals in modern history. She did a phenomenal job but her attempt at recasting Duane as James Bond, in the end, failed. Her tombstone needs only one word below her name: tenacious.

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #8257 on: October 04, 2021, 04:18:20 PM »
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Georger, how would you characterize Jo's grasp of Norjak - the depth and breath of it all beyond Duane? Simply, what do you think she was all about?

I think Jo was a massive distraction for some. Jo was candid: she said her attachment to the Cooper case was nothing more than a "business opportunity". 

Jo was a product of the poverty she grew up in. She chose a route out ... and a few people joined her for a while.
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« Reply #8258 on: October 04, 2021, 05:10:18 PM »
was thinking about Jo after reading Bruce's excellent obit. Good job, Bruce.


I was looking through old direct messages on DZ.com I got from Jo. I deflected most of them, so I never went through the full Jo treatment, but many of the DM's were long missives on something or other.

But: the very first DM I got on DZ.com when I started posting in 2008 was from Jo.  (the 2nd DM was from 377!)
I chuckled at "the pot calling the kettle black" here :)

Jo would always try to pull you in...

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Please, Snowman you are going to cause this thread to crash and burn - this is what happened before. This business about the age has to stop - or we will be shut down. I beg you please don't do that.

I have fought a long hard battle to find the truth and now I am fighting another battle for my life. For this site to crash and burn right now - I would be devastated. You make lots of good posts but some of your post are repetive garbage - like you want to cause trouble.

Please continue to post but don't make people mad with consistent bantering on one specific subject. Please lay of Please -I am begging. And that is rare for me...otherwise I would tell you to stuff it.
 

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« Reply #8259 on: October 04, 2021, 09:59:00 PM »
Jo messaged me just a few minutes after I made my first post on the DZ in 2011. Bruce Smith followed shortly thereafter.

She would message from time to time but I never allowed myself to get in too many private conversations with her. I knew it would be never ending. I'm sure she did this to everyone that ever posted on the DZ. Perhaps she has made contact with the real Dan Cooper on the other side. I can hear her now: "I think you knew my husband, Duane".

RIP Jo.
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« Reply #8260 on: October 05, 2021, 01:20:05 AM »
was just musing about Robert99's comment:
" these people are not part of the Cooper story and never were"

well, how can one tell who or what are "part of the Cooper story"

what defines "in" vs "out" ??

FBI files? We know they are wrong in some areas.
Carr? Again wrong in some areas.

Pretty much that's what draws in people: Anyone can be part of the Cooper story, because there's no "one true story"

Unless you just reduce it down to the provable details. Dude jumped out of plane somewhere. Some money was found.

Beyond that everything is debatable.
 

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« Reply #8261 on: October 05, 2021, 04:35:25 AM »
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Nice tribute Bruce. I’ll miss Jo even though she was a distraction and resource burner in the Cooper case. Duane got lucky when he married Jo. She was attractive, vivacious and gave this small time thief, grifter and jailbird a posthumous shot at being reinvented as one of the most innovative criminals in modern history. She did a phenomenal job but her attempt at recasting Duane as James Bond, in the end, failed. Her tombstone needs only one word below her name: tenacious.

377

Yup.
 

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« Reply #8262 on: October 05, 2021, 04:36:39 AM »
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Jo messaged me just a few minutes after I made my first post on the DZ in 2011. Bruce Smith followed shortly thereafter.

She would message from time to time but I never allowed myself to get in too many private conversations with her. I knew it would be never ending. I'm sure she did this to everyone that ever posted on the DZ. Perhaps she has made contact with the real Dan Cooper on the other side. I can hear her now: "I think you knew my husband, Duane".

RIP Jo.

Best chuckle of the day, Parrot. Thanks.
 

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« Reply #8263 on: October 05, 2021, 04:38:14 AM »
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was thinking about Jo after reading Bruce's excellent obit. Good job, Bruce.


I was looking through old direct messages on DZ.com I got from Jo. I deflected most of them, so I never went through the full Jo treatment, but many of the DM's were long missives on something or other.

But: the very first DM I got on DZ.com when I started posting in 2008 was from Jo.  (the 2nd DM was from 377!)
I chuckled at "the pot calling the kettle black" here :)

Jo would always try to pull you in...

skyjack71
Started conversation: April 3, 2008

Please, Snowman you are going to cause this thread to crash and burn - this is what happened before. This business about the age has to stop - or we will be shut down. I beg you please don't do that.

I have fought a long hard battle to find the truth and now I am fighting another battle for my life. For this site to crash and burn right now - I would be devastated. You make lots of good posts but some of your post are repetive garbage - like you want to cause trouble.

Please continue to post but don't make people mad with consistent bantering on one specific subject. Please lay of Please -I am begging. And that is rare for me...otherwise I would tell you to stuff it.

Thanks, Snow, and yup, that was Jo. To a "t."
 

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« Reply #8264 on: October 07, 2021, 02:23:37 PM »
Tom Colbert has entered into the world of the Zodiac Killer:

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As someone who has researched the Zodiac case for over a decade, I can say with near certainty that Gary Poste is NOT the Zodiac Killer. I won't refute every piece of evidence, but suffice to say, I'm afraid Colbert has fingered the wrong guy again.