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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #8310 on: November 13, 2021, 05:14:17 PM »
Again, I've not read all of Edwards' book, but it seems to align with what I've been saying...the oscillation/bump happened up north, and cooper probably was on the stairs then, but that he jumped down by the river.

I mean, it's not that complicated a theory.

I'm curious to see, if because Edwards is not a vortexer, is English, an actor and Phd, whether his theories will be more acceptable :)
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« Reply #8311 on: November 13, 2021, 05:20:05 PM »
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So there's this book from Robert H. Edwards "D.B. Cooper and Flight 305: Rexamining the Hijacking and Disappearance"

lots of color pics which is interesting (pricier to print). of all the stuff we've familiar with. A good dissecting of FBI files

But page 217, I read (attached)

For what it is worth, we [ Ed. the royal "we" ?? ] are prepared to advance the hypothesis that the single most likely prior occupation of the hijacker would have been loadmaster in the US Air Force, and that all or part of his service would have been in the Korean War. In that event he would have most probably flown on the C-124


I mean, he can have his hypothesis, but that sentence is just speculation. It's funny he says "most likely".

He's totally out of touch with who and what and how were part of the USA involvement in Vietnam. Just as a "fer-instance"

I mean really...actor, phd etc.
But he's just another speculator in the vortex?

Snowmman, while your ego has obviously been injured, I would suggest that you actually read the book before doing any pontificating.  And your local library probably has an English dictionary in which you can look up the meaning of the word "hypothesis".

Did you have any involvement with the Korean War or the Vietnam War?  Or are you "just another speculator in the vortex" yourself?

Having served in the military during the Korean War era and working as an Aeronautical Engineer for DOD organizations during the Vietnam War era, I can definitely state that Dr. Edwards's remarks about the C-124 are closer to the truth than you may realize.  I have seen close to 1000 paratroopers jump out of C-124s at one time during a non-combat demonstration and it was a sight to behold.

But in the 10 years between the two wars, the shift was made from large paratrooper drops to smaller helicopter assaults due to the different types of wars being fought.  In the Korean War, there was something usually resembling a "front line" while in the Vietnam War the whole country was the "front line".

Until we all have a look at Dr. Edwards book, your comments are nothing but "sour grapes".
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #8312 on: November 13, 2021, 06:17:52 PM »
Doc Edwards' book:

Upon Snowmman's advice, I read a fair amount of DB Cooper and Flight 305: Reexamining the Hijacking and Disappearance at the Amazon site.

It's an uneven book in a lot of ways. To start, he describes the skyjacking in the present tense. I found that jarring. Also, he makes many conditional statements such as, "Cooper probably did this," or "we assume he might have done that...," and I feel those passages should have been tightened up by more research.

But he has done a lot of research, and his book will be a well-regarded addition to the Cooper literature. E.G.: He includes a very substantive appendix that annotates all of the transcripts. As someone who has written a book on Cooper, I found Edwards' book to be a strange juxtaposition of information. Reading it was like delving into a subject I knew a little bit about, but not much, because his book is filled with information from people who either refused or were very resistant to talking with me, such as the WSHM, or whom I felt didn't have much to add, like RMB. From that vantage point, it is not surprising that I am not mentioned once, nor is the Mountain News cited as a source of material. Along those lines, I didn't see one mention of this Forum, nor is it cited in the Index. Reflecting upon that dynamic, it is not surprising that Doc Edwards is not a regular participant in our conversations here. However, R99 is cited as a key figure in the editing and composing of the book. For me, it's like meeting someone who says they know all about the Cooper Vortex, and yet, I have never seen them fly by.

Hence DBC and 305 is a strange but worthy book.
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #8313 on: November 13, 2021, 06:22:48 PM »
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Snowmman, while your ego has obviously been injured, I would suggest that you actually read the book before doing any pontificating.  And your local library probably has an English dictionary in which you can look up the meaning of the word "hypothesis".
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Until we all have a look at Dr. Edwards book, your comments are nothing but "sour grapes".

Ah yes, at least the DBC thread is back on track, and all about me and my motivations! Excellent! Mission accomplished.

In terms of ability to cast insults, I always look to Monty Python's imitation of the French, for expert insults...
 

FRENCH GUARD: I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

GALAHAD: Is there someone else up there we could talk to?

FRENCH GUARD: No. Now, go away, or I shall taunt you a second time-a!

[sniff]

ARTHUR: Now, this is your last chance. I've been more than reasonable.
 

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« Reply #8314 on: November 13, 2021, 06:27:04 PM »
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because his book is filled with information from people who either refused or were very resistant to talking with me, such as the WSHM, or whom I felt didn't have much to add, like RMB. 

I smiled when I saw Robert Blevins name in the index of Edwards' book.

I think it smells of bad research if you're trying to act like a PhD and you quote Blevins. It means you just didn't know who you were talking to :)

RMB is kind of like the hinterlands of Coopervile, just one small step from bat-shit crazy.

But that's what beautiful about Cooperland: rational analysis and bat-shit crazy are right there on the hairy edge of each other.
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« Reply #8315 on: November 13, 2021, 06:45:36 PM »
Bobby is trying to make Sheridans book my problem...
 

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« Reply #8316 on: November 13, 2021, 06:58:13 PM »
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Doc Edwards' book:

Upon Snowmman's advice, I read a fair amount of DB Cooper and Flight 305: Reexamining the Hijacking and Disappearance at the Amazon site.

It's an uneven book in a lot of ways. To start, he describes the skyjacking in the present tense. I found that jarring. Also, he makes many conditional statements such as, "Cooper probably did this," or "we assume he might have done that...," and I feel those passages should have been tightened up by more research.

But he has done a lot of research, and his book will be a well-regarded addition to the Cooper literature. E.G.: He includes a very substantive appendix that annotates all of the transcripts. As someone who has written a book on Cooper, I found Edwards' book to be a strange juxtaposition of information. Reading it was like delving into a subject I knew a little bit about, but not much, because his book is filled with information from people who either refused or were very resistant to talking with me, such as the WSHM, or whom I felt didn't have much to add, like RMB. From that vantage point, it is not surprising that I am not mentioned once, nor is the Mountain News cited as a source of material. Along those lines, I didn't see one mention of this Forum, nor is it cited in the Index. Reflecting upon that dynamic, it is not surprising that Doc Edwards is not a regular participant in our conversations here. However, R99 is cited as a key figure in the editing and composing of the book. For me, it's like meeting someone who says they know all about the Cooper Vortex, and yet, I have never seen them fly by.

Hence DBC and 305 is a strange but worthy book.


Bruce, so you and Snowmman are basing your comments on about 5 to 10 pages of the book that are listed on Amazon?  And you are surprised that you aren't mentioned in the book?  Is Snowmman mentioned in the book?  Egos, egos, egos!  Don't forget that there are about 250 more pages of that book that I doubt any of us have seen to date.

I have not seen the book and am not aware of your comments about me.  I was informed by the publisher earlier this week that a complimentary copy of the book would be on the way to me shortly.  Further, I have also pre-ordered a copy from Amazon.  So within the next 11 days or so, I hope to have two copies of the book in hand.

I have checked the listing on Amazon for the 3rd edition of your book and a print copy is not available at this time.  Do you know when the print copies will be listed?

Bruce, I will buy a print copy of your book when it becomes available.  And if you wish, I will write an honest evaluation of your book for the Amazon listing.  Is that fair enough?         
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #8317 on: November 14, 2021, 12:38:54 AM »
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Bobby is trying to make Sheridans book my problem...

By his own admission, RMB proposed to Sheridan Peterson everything that he wants now to do with Sheridan's book. Peterson declined. So, if he were able to do these things now, he would be doing exactly what Sheridan didn't want to do. Not that it matters to him. He just wants something to be a Negative Nancy about.
 

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« Reply #8318 on: November 14, 2021, 01:34:31 AM »
Nancy-B sounds fitting. Sheridan flip flopped more than Robert, especially with friendship or people he encountered. I never knew him other than a few emails of him claiming 377 had a gang that Blevins and others were a part of giving him reason to act out. I had nothing to do with the book and will not do anything about it. he's a well known liar and destroys every thread he's on surrounding Cooper. what he really needs to do is fix his own damn book.
 

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« Reply #8319 on: November 14, 2021, 01:39:14 AM »
I guess he needs to find himself a good editor to fix the book. I wonder if he knows one?

He should fix it, especially since that movie isn't happening now:

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"Did he pay cash?”

The answer is:  NO, he did NOT.

The next question might be:  “So why is that statement still in your book?”

The answer is:  “Because it isn’t even a key part of the case against Christiansen, and we aren’t going to modify that book until the movie on Kenny is released.”


No one should be surprised that Peterson didn't want Blevins anywhere near his book.
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« Reply #8320 on: November 14, 2021, 01:43:24 AM »
Just more of his blowing off the truth...remember it took months to get him to remove the falsehoods from his articles..

I pulled the emails from Sheridan. they were long speaking politics and rambling about the FBI. gives Snows name and phone number along with others..here is what he said about "the gang" lol
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The kingpin is Mark Metzer. , RobertBevin, Bruce Smith and Eric Ulis are members of his gang. Sailshaw now dead is an incredible liar.

Actually, Robert can easily be given the name "Karen" by his actions..
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« Reply #8321 on: November 14, 2021, 02:00:40 AM »
Reading Sheridans emails further gets comical. he calls 377 and crew the "Metzer mob that are pawns by the CIA." towards the end he accuses me of being Snow..
 

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« Reply #8322 on: November 14, 2021, 02:03:50 AM »
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Doc Edwards' book:

Upon Snowmman's advice, I read a fair amount of DB Cooper and Flight 305: Reexamining the Hijacking and Disappearance at the Amazon site.

It's an uneven book in a lot of ways. To start, he describes the skyjacking in the present tense. I found that jarring. Also, he makes many conditional statements such as, "Cooper probably did this," or "we assume he might have done that...," and I feel those passages should have been tightened up by more research.

But he has done a lot of research, and his book will be a well-regarded addition to the Cooper literature. E.G.: He includes a very substantive appendix that annotates all of the transcripts. As someone who has written a book on Cooper, I found Edwards' book to be a strange juxtaposition of information. Reading it was like delving into a subject I knew a little bit about, but not much, because his book is filled with information from people who either refused or were very resistant to talking with me, such as the WSHM, or whom I felt didn't have much to add, like RMB. From that vantage point, it is not surprising that I am not mentioned once, nor is the Mountain News cited as a source of material. Along those lines, I didn't see one mention of this Forum, nor is it cited in the Index. Reflecting upon that dynamic, it is not surprising that Doc Edwards is not a regular participant in our conversations here. However, R99 is cited as a key figure in the editing and composing of the book. For me, it's like meeting someone who says they know all about the Cooper Vortex, and yet, I have never seen them fly by.

Hence DBC and 305 is a strange but worthy book.


Bruce, so you and Snowmman are basing your comments on about 5 to 10 pages of the book that are listed on Amazon?  And you are surprised that you aren't mentioned in the book?  Is Snowmman mentioned in the book?  Egos, egos, egos!  Don't forget that there are about 250 more pages of that book that I doubt any of us have seen to date.

I have not seen the book and am not aware of your comments about me.  I was informed by the publisher earlier this week that a complimentary copy of the book would be on the way to me shortly.  Further, I have also pre-ordered a copy from Amazon.  So within the next 11 days or so, I hope to have two copies of the book in hand.

I have checked the listing on Amazon for the 3rd edition of your book and a print copy is not available at this time.  Do you know when the print copies will be listed?

Bruce, I will buy a print copy of your book when it becomes available.  And if you wish, I will write an honest evaluation of your book for the Amazon listing.  Is that fair enough?       

Thanks for the sale and an honest review, Robert. I couldn't ask for anything more.

As for my ego, yes it is big and sometimes a tab sensitive, but I read about 60 pages of Doc Edwards' book. Twenty pages were from the text, specifically the opening chapter about the witnesses. The last forty or so were from the back of the book - Index, Acknowledgements, Sources, and the extensive Appendix.

Yes, Amazon has yet to publicize the sale of the paperback version. Not sure why. My publisher has told me, though, that it might take a few days for Amazon to sort the Kindle version out from the paperback version. If both versions are not available for purchase by mid-week of next, I'll investigate.

Speaking here about my experience as an author is a tricky thing for me. It's real to me and I think some folks might enjoy reading about my journey since a few posters at the Forum are writers, too, but I know others get upset as they think I'm power-tripping.

For those who would like to read the excerpts from Edwards' book available on Amazon, go to Amazon, type in Doc's name and book title in the search function. When Doc's page comes up, click on the picture of the book's front cover - it's posted on the left-hand side of the page.

You can do the same thing to read the first 40 pages of the 3rd edition of my book - Kindle version.
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« Reply #8323 on: November 14, 2021, 02:14:45 AM »
Bruce,

What version of your book is available in hardback, if any? Preferably a signed copy. I'd like to get one for my daughter. Not that she knows who Bruce Smith is, but I'll educate her...
 

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« Reply #8324 on: November 14, 2021, 03:37:21 PM »
I’m a fan of big prop driven aircraft. The C 124 was a BEAST. I don’t see a definite connection to Cooper but if he was a USAF loadmaster C 130, C 133 and C 124 were sure possibilities. A friend of mine was the youngest aircraft commander (left seat pilot) of a C 124 in the USAF. He was flying long distance supply missions to Vietnam and other places. He, like me, Snow, Georger and other “Vortexans” was a ham radio operator. He spent hours working ham radio contacts on his C 124’s Collins 618T HF radio. I spoke with him at length about paradrops from his C 124. He and his loadmaster took great pride in accurately delivering paratroopers to the military LZs. They did a lot of planning and last minute flight path corrections to get it right. If anyone has C 124 questions I can pass them on. He loved the plane but not the R 4360 28 cylinder radial engines. He often arrived on 3 engines.

Here is a website I composed about another huge USAF transport of that era, the C 133. Cal Taylor, the guy who literally wrote the book on the C 133 said that a few HALO jumps were made from these aircraft.

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