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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by JAG on October 18, 2022, 02:17:55 PM »
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I read his book, and tried to get him on the show but he was unresponsive.

His book is more of a "how to solve the case" than it is pointing to a suspect, if I remember correctly.

Thanks, I thought he identifies a suspect in the book ?
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by Darren on October 18, 2022, 12:58:30 PM »
I read his book, and tried to get him on the show but he was unresponsive.

His book is more of a "how to solve the case" than it is pointing to a suspect, if I remember correctly.
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by dudeman17 on October 17, 2022, 07:13:32 PM »
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Per the Greg Hall link:

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Is the highlighted text true ?  I have not heard this on the forums nor do I recall coming across it in any of the 302s I have read.

It is highly unlikely that that is true. Unless Cooper was a rigger and had rigging tools with him, it would be virtually impossible for him to suitably re-close that container.
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by dudeman17 on October 17, 2022, 07:08:00 PM »
I seem to vaguely remember that show. If Hall was the ex military guy that appeared towards the end? I remember him talking about his theory that Cooper jumped near Reno, which is where Josh Gates did his tandem. I remember Gates' demeanor as being 'somewhat hesitant' before the jump, but more elated after, which is a typical response. Perhaps he played that up a bit for drama. Perhaps Hall's discussion of the door controls ended up on the cutting room floor. As for a confusion between civilian and military surplus chutes, maybe that came from Cossey's claims, or that the chutes came from Hayden, a civilian. In those days, many civilian sport jumpers indeed did jump with military surplus gear, as would be many pilot bailout rigs.
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by JAG on October 17, 2022, 06:57:58 PM »
Per the Greg Hall link:

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Is the highlighted text true ?  I have not heard this on the forums nor do I recall coming across it in any of the 302s I have read.
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by Robert99 on October 17, 2022, 05:27:15 PM »
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Are you referring to the Expedition Unknown segment that aired in January 2017?  If so, the Washington state portions of that segment were filmed in August 2016.  At least three posters on this site were also in that segment.  I don't remember anyone named Hall being in the segment or a discussion of the stairs being capable of being deployed from the cockpit.

Eric Ulis, who was not in that segment, has a Facebook page that Josh Gates also belongs to and he has appeared in cable programs with Gates.  Anyone reading this who also belongs to that Facebook page could ask Gates if he knows anything about Halls' claim.

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I am not sure if he was actually on the show, I forget the details of the last segment, it sounds like he may have been.  But I guess his theory that the hijacker jumped on the approach to Reno was what was covered at the end of the episode. If you go to this link, this is what seems to indicate, he was more of an off camera consultant:

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I have read the Hall article linked above and, as you can probably easily guess, have a number of problems with it. 

His discussion of the parachute that Cooper selected is wrong since both backpack parachutes that Cooper had access to on the airliner were surplus military parachutes.  There were no "civilian" parachutes involved and FlyJack and others have explained this in detail over the years.

His description of what is now known as the Western Flight Path is completely wrong.  No one has ever claimed that the airliner flew 20 miles to the west of the Victor 23 airway.  There are other problems with his flight path analysis and why the airliner headed to Reno to refuel.

Hall suggests that Cooper planted the money found at Tena Bar seven years after the hijacking.  I honestly cannot believe such a claim.  After getting away with the hijacking for seven years, why would Cooper bury about $6000 at Tena Bar and which would only later be found by accident?  Dream on!

Josh Gates about to "throw up" before making a tandem parachute jump?  I don't believe that either.  Gates usually included a segment in his Expedition Unknown videos of him dangling from a cliff, sliding on a cable across a deep canyon or some such thing, or doing something underwater that I definitely wouldn't do.  Gates diving skills may have been genetic as I understand that his father, or maybe grandfather, was a professional hard hat diver.  But basically, Gates was/is an adrenaline junkie.   
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by JAG on October 17, 2022, 02:14:50 PM »
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Are you referring to the Expedition Unknown segment that aired in January 2017?  If so, the Washington state portions of that segment were filmed in August 2016.  At least three posters on this site were also in that segment.  I don't remember anyone named Hall being in the segment or a discussion of the stairs being capable of being deployed from the cockpit.

Eric Ulis, who was not in that segment, has a Facebook page that Josh Gates also belongs to and he has appeared in cable programs with Gates.  Anyone reading this who also belongs to that Facebook page could ask Gates if he knows anything about Halls' claim.

EDIT:
I am not sure if he was actually on the show, I forget the details of the last segment, it sounds like he may have been.  But I guess his theory that the hijacker jumped on the approach to Reno was what was covered at the end of the episode. If you go to this link, this is what seems to indicate, he was more of an off camera consultant:

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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by Robert99 on October 16, 2022, 08:43:32 PM »
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Did Halls' source have any involvement with 727s that were in commercial service in the USA?  JAG has got it right.  The CIA, or any other government organization, could make any modifications they desired to make to 727s without the approval of the FAA, Boeing, or anyone else.

Just putting the word "EXPERIMENTAL" by the aircraft entrance door eliminates the need for the aircraft to meet a lot of federal regulations.  In the case of the CIA, just ignoring all regulations would be a viable solution.

I'm pretty sure that all of Halls' sources experience was military or quasi military. Extracts from the book:

"According to Mr. A, and later confirmed to me by Boeing Aircraft,  the stairs can be lowered/raised from three locations on the aircraft. The  first location is from the flight deck, where they can be lowered by a crew  member. The second location is outside the aircraft, via an access panel on  the underside of the fuselage near the stairs (this location is used by ground  crew when the aircraft is on the ground) and lastly from the rear of the  interior of the aircraft, on the non-pressurized side of the bulkhead door.  The details of this information were new to me. "

"It took only a few moments to digest this information and to see how  critical it is in the search for DB Cooper. At a much later date, I confirmed this information two ways. First, I reviewed the Boeing Aircraft  owner’s manual for the B-727; the manual confirmed Mr. A’s information.  According to the manual, when lowered from the flight deck, the airstairs  are lowered hydraulically under 3,000 psi (pounds per square inch) of  pressure. When lowered from either of the other two locations at the rear of the aircraft, the airstairs fall under their own weight. According to the  manual, the terminology used in the stairs is “gravity fall” stairs. The gravity  fall method was an FAA requirement for the B-727 airworthiness certification. In case of an emergency or crash landing, the FAA did not want  the rear emergency exit (stairs) to have to rely upon hydraulic pressure,  which may not be available.  The second confirmation of Mr. A’s information occurred during the  filming of the DB Cooper episode of the television show EXPEDITION  UNKNOWN, hosted by Mr. Josh Gates. This episode was aired in early  2017 and I had the opportunity to appear on the show. During the daylong filming at the Boeing airfield in Seattle, Washington, I asked the  Boeing engineer assigned to the film crew about the stairs. He confirmed  the details of what Mr. A described to me."

Are you referring to the Expedition Unknown segment that aired in January 2017?  If so, the Washington state portions of that segment were filmed in August 2016.  At least three posters on this site were also in that segment.  I don't remember anyone named Hall being in the segment or a discussion of the stairs being capable of being deployed from the cockpit.

Eric Ulis, who was not in that segment, has a Facebook page that Josh Gates also belongs to and he has appeared in cable programs with Gates.  Anyone reading this who also belongs to that Facebook page could ask Gates if he knows anything about Halls' claim.
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by Jay Ritchie on October 16, 2022, 05:17:58 PM »
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Did Halls' source have any involvement with 727s that were in commercial service in the USA?  JAG has got it right.  The CIA, or any other government organization, could make any modifications they desired to make to 727s without the approval of the FAA, Boeing, or anyone else.

Just putting the word "EXPERIMENTAL" by the aircraft entrance door eliminates the need for the aircraft to meet a lot of federal regulations.  In the case of the CIA, just ignoring all regulations would be a viable solution.

I'm pretty sure that all of Halls' sources experience was military or quasi military. Extracts from the book:

"According to Mr. A, and later confirmed to me by Boeing Aircraft,  the stairs can be lowered/raised from three locations on the aircraft. The  first location is from the flight deck, where they can be lowered by a crew  member. The second location is outside the aircraft, via an access panel on  the underside of the fuselage near the stairs (this location is used by ground  crew when the aircraft is on the ground) and lastly from the rear of the  interior of the aircraft, on the non-pressurized side of the bulkhead door.  The details of this information were new to me. "

"It took only a few moments to digest this information and to see how  critical it is in the search for DB Cooper. At a much later date, I confirmed this information two ways. First, I reviewed the Boeing Aircraft  owner’s manual for the B-727; the manual confirmed Mr. A’s information.  According to the manual, when lowered from the flight deck, the airstairs  are lowered hydraulically under 3,000 psi (pounds per square inch) of  pressure. When lowered from either of the other two locations at the rear of the aircraft, the airstairs fall under their own weight. According to the  manual, the terminology used in the stairs is “gravity fall” stairs. The gravity  fall method was an FAA requirement for the B-727 airworthiness certification. In case of an emergency or crash landing, the FAA did not want  the rear emergency exit (stairs) to have to rely upon hydraulic pressure,  which may not be available.  The second confirmation of Mr. A’s information occurred during the  filming of the DB Cooper episode of the television show EXPEDITION  UNKNOWN, hosted by Mr. Josh Gates. This episode was aired in early  2017 and I had the opportunity to appear on the show. During the daylong filming at the Boeing airfield in Seattle, Washington, I asked the  Boeing engineer assigned to the film crew about the stairs. He confirmed  the details of what Mr. A described to me."

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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by Robert99 on October 16, 2022, 05:05:50 PM »
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I agree, if he was a commercial air line pilot and flew 727s, you would think that he would know that the stairs could NOT be lowered form the cockpit--I don't believe that any of the commercial 727 fleet had this capability right?

So, the question is, where he did he come to that conclusion that they could be lowered from the cockpit ? Was it simply a misinformed assumption ?
They way in which he is quoted seems to come off as him being quite confident in his assertion.

The only other option, was there a special 727 tricked out for the CIA which had this option and where Cooper may have been involved ?  I know, the forums have discussed the Air America angle, and it has been said that the stairs were totally removed for that.  But it seems a reasonable possibility that if the CIA wanted to drop assets in areas that they weren't supposed to be, using a 727 without an aft door in place would not be covert, it would be a dead give away.  It would make more sense that a door would be in place to open and close. 

In Gregory Halls book he states that he was told by a man who had been involved with 727's in the Vietnam conflict that the stairs could be opened from the cockpit, which Hall claims he later confirmed with Boeing.

Did Halls' source have any involvement with 727s that were in commercial service in the USA?  JAG has got it right.  The CIA, or any other government organization, could make any modifications they desired to make to 727s without the approval of the FAA, Boeing, or anyone else.

Just putting the word "EXPERIMENTAL" by the aircraft entrance door eliminates the need for the aircraft to meet a lot of federal regulations.  In the case of the CIA, just ignoring all regulations would be a viable solution. 
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