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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on June 13, 2021, 11:49:37 PM »
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So what physics would explain the oscillations culminating in a bump? It certainly seems more logical the other way around.

FJ is such a phony complainer. I didnt change or alter his words in any way! His words/theory is: ""The sled test showed that the oscillations/fluctuations INCREASED AFTER the weight left the stairs NOT BEFORE."""    In other words  according to FJ, oscillations/fluctuations/bump can ONLY happen AFTER weight has been taken off unlocked stairs, NOT BEFOIRE. Those are HIS words.

Therefore, Cooper was on the unlocked stairs with no effect. Cooper jumping ie taking his weight off the stairs, is what triggered oscillations/fluctuations ending in a pressure spike(bump).

This changes the time of the jump. Not after oscillations/fluctuations/bump but BEFORE. In FJ's own words: "AFTER the weight left the stairs NOT BEFORE."

He further states this is what the TAG sled test showed and TAG Team's (Rataczak agreed) , FJ says ...

Go read his post for yourself. R99 provided a link to the post. I merely went there and read it.

The implications are profound. If FJ is correct it moves the LZ north away from the Columbia, which is what FJ wants. FJ states the correct DZ is at Orchards. 

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DB Cooper / Re: CooperCon 2021
« Last post by georger on June 13, 2021, 11:35:22 PM »
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DB-57, I spoke mainly in jest, but this conversation does point to where we are going as a society. These days everyone is talking about UFOs, or UAPs to use the politically-correct term emanating from the Pentagon. I sense that most folks, mainstream media, Repubs and Dems, are now accepting UFOs as real.

That begs the question, who's flying the crafts? I think that will be our next great challenge as a society - dealing with the reality of ETs. How will they interact with us? Will they mingle? With whom and why? How extensive will the contacts be?

After that, we'll have to deal with the realities they bring to the table - the technologies, the consciousness, the purposes for existence that they are engaging - and what it all means to us.

For instance, if they bring hyper-dimensional travel to us, who is gonna take a ride? Some humans will jump at the chance, but most I figure will say, "No, thanks."

The same might exist for time travel. Will those folks want to re-write history, or change it? Will we need a History Police to keep things stable throughout time?

Thus, there may be many pressures upon the DB Cooper story. The Vortex is about to go Galactic! Darren, you listening?
First we would have to hope they are not hostile.  If they are friendly, who knows the advances they may have?  They could cure cancer at the snap of your fingers?

So you think you know the course of evolutionary biology? Intelligence ? I didnt know silicon got cancer - thanks for the update!   :nono: :rofl:

 
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Chaucer on June 13, 2021, 10:23:57 PM »
So what physics would explain the oscillations culminating in a bump? It certainly seems more logical the other way around.
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DB Cooper / Re: CooperCon 2021
« Last post by DBfan57 on June 13, 2021, 08:58:30 PM »
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DB-57, I spoke mainly in jest, but this conversation does point to where we are going as a society. These days everyone is talking about UFOs, or UAPs to use the politically-correct term emanating from the Pentagon. I sense that most folks, mainstream media, Repubs and Dems, are now accepting UFOs as real.

That begs the question, who's flying the crafts? I think that will be our next great challenge as a society - dealing with the reality of ETs. How will they interact with us? Will they mingle? With whom and why? How extensive will the contacts be?

After that, we'll have to deal with the realities they bring to the table - the technologies, the consciousness, the purposes for existence that they are engaging - and what it all means to us.

For instance, if they bring hyper-dimensional travel to us, who is gonna take a ride? Some humans will jump at the chance, but most I figure will say, "No, thanks."

The same might exist for time travel. Will those folks want to re-write history, or change it? Will we need a History Police to keep things stable throughout time?

Thus, there may be many pressures upon the DB Cooper story. The Vortex is about to go Galactic! Darren, you listening?
First we would have to hope they are not hostile.  If they are friendly, who knows the advances they may have?  They could cure cancer at the snap of your fingers?
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DB Cooper / Re: General Questions About The Case
« Last post by DBfan57 on June 13, 2021, 08:54:45 PM »
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The difficulty, DF, is that Tina is not only the primary witness to the DB Cooper skyjacking, she seems to have unique and valuable information no one else can provide. Unfortunately, Tina's recent behaviors add suspicion to her and her statements. Slamming doors in reporter's faces is not the way to engender trust or belief in her statements. Nor is cherry-picking details from her life to share with the reporters she does choose to engage.

Yes, I agree, inquiries must be conducted in a manner that is not "harassing" to Tina. But Tina is now a public persona. Besides being the FBI's chief witness, she volunteered to appear in a lengthy History Channel docu and a HBO production. Plus, she agreed to a full-length interview in Rolling Stone, and of course, her short piece in the Eugene Weekly back in 2012.

I agree, Tina must be exhausted by the Norjak media circus. I would be extremely frustrated by those who continued to champion Richard McCoy after I and the FAs had dismissed him as a Cooper suspect back in 1972. That's 49 years of not being listened to, nor believed. Whew....

I got the sense in talking with Bill Mitchell that the FBI takes advantage of folks like Tina and Bill. Instead of working diligently to investigate suspects, they seem to just grab up a daily stack of pix and dance over to Tina and Bill and say, "Are any of these guys Cooper?" In effect, many FBI agents seem to want the witnesses to do the heavy lifting. They shoved 1,500 pix in front of Bill over the years. They couldn't have done a better job of vetting the suspects?

Hey Bruce.  But you are very sure it can’t be McCoy right?
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DB Cooper / Re: CooperCon 2021
« Last post by EU on June 13, 2021, 03:28:10 PM »
We're a little over five months out from CC21 which begins November 20th in Vancouver, WA. Personally I'm getting stoked. I know we're going to have a great event with a sellout crowd of around 400-500 over the two days, not to mention the socials which will be free to attend.

The other cool thing is that DB Cooper will be very prominent over the next six months as we approach the 50th anniversary. I am personally aware of two major productions related to the case that will definitely boost interest--not to mention the Loki publicity right now and the re-airing of 'The Final Hunt' and 'Case Closed' and other DBC programs that are likely to occur come November 24th. Additionally, the media attention, both nationally and internationally will be pronounced.

Hold on. The DB Cooper world is about to get seriously fun.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on June 13, 2021, 02:51:27 AM »
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Good to know. Thanks, FJ and R99.

Know what !? Do you applaud everything/anything without knowing what you're applauding ?   Do you even know what FJ is saying? Read his post again!

Georger, in reply to your two posts above, you need to read what Bruce and I said again and pay attention to what was said and not said.  Neither Bruce nor I said anything about when the oscillations occurred.

But I believe the pilots said somewhere along the line that they could feel the stairs oscillating and radioed that they thought Cooper was getting ready to jump.  That is, they didn't mention anything about oscillations after they thought that Cooper had jumped and the stairs had slammed back up.

For the record, after Cooper jumped and the stairs slammed back up, there would be very minor oscillations and they would not last more than a few seconds.

Also, it is plainly obvious that Cooper tossed a number of things that he no longer needed by stepping on the stairs enough to provide an opening so that they could exit the aircraft.   

So the short version is you disagree with FJ.

No surprise.

Thanks for the trip around Oz.
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by dudeman17 on June 13, 2021, 02:32:14 AM »
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Thoughtful reply to the CIA question Dudeman. I think we are on the same page.

I have fond memories of jumping at Elsinore in the 1970s. Taft too. I was in LA for a long criminal trial and jumped now and then for stress relief. It’s a remarkably effective remedy, at least for me.

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I agree - absolutely effective stress relief. I'm currently having fond memories of jumping at Elsinore today...
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by dudeman17 on June 13, 2021, 02:29:08 AM »
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Ha, In the picture of 'Cooper' in that article, I think the ripcord handle is in the pocket backwards. The wide end of the trapezoid should be in the pocket, the narrow end out.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Robert99 on June 13, 2021, 01:40:08 AM »
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Good to know. Thanks, FJ and R99.

Know what !? Do you applaud everything/anything without knowing what you're applauding ?   Do you even know what FJ is saying? Read his post again!

Georger, in reply to your two posts above, you need to read what Bruce and I said again and pay attention to what was said and not said.  Neither Bruce nor I said anything about when the oscillations occurred.

But I believe the pilots said somewhere along the line that they could feel the stairs oscillating and radioed that they thought Cooper was getting ready to jump.  That is, they didn't mention anything about oscillations after they thought that Cooper had jumped and the stairs had slammed back up.

For the record, after Cooper jumped and the stairs slammed back up, there would be very minor oscillations and they would not last more than a few seconds.

Also, it is plainly obvious that Cooper tossed a number of things that he no longer needed by stepping on the stairs enough to provide an opening so that they could exit the aircraft.   
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