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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by JAG on September 19, 2021, 10:44:43 PM »
Thanks to all for the comments and extra digging !  Based on what snowmman found, it seems like 3 witnesses said it wasn't him.  If it's truly unrelated, it's certainly a hell of a coincidence. 

Do these documents ever become unredacted ?
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DB Cooper / Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Last post by dudeman17 on September 19, 2021, 07:25:47 PM »
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can a plane take off "backwards?"

They can (land and) take off upside down.




I've flown with this guy a few times. Not in this plane.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Robert99 on September 19, 2021, 05:22:48 PM »
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page 309 is interesting. SAC J. E. Milnes wrote it saying

"SA <redacted> from Chicago called and advised that they had interviewed a former Agent now with FAA who advised that very likely the photograph of <redacted> would be sent to the FAA Headquarters in Washington. I told him that if we did not get a photograph of him [apparently referencing the "RE: <redacted>" subject] from <redacted> then we would try to get one from Washington."


seems to suggest that the suspect had a picture with FAA somehow? maybe pilot or ??


on page 310, it says the suspect was fingerprinted by the "Civil Service Commission on <redacted> and has FBI <redacted>"

not sure what that all means

then on page 311 SA Charles E. Farrell writes up a description of a suspect, who has a long arrest record.

it's not clear if it's the same suspect. The writeup is on 11/27/71
it references someone "said <redacted>" on November 8, 1971

then there's a handwritten "Open File on Suspect"

But the next page talks about sending a photo to witnesses at Seattle. Says photo is to be returned to Tacoma Police Dept. So they must have got a photo from Tacoma Police..

could be a different suspect, but could be the same suspect.

all of those reports from 11/27/71

If the Civil Service Commission had fingerprinted him it means that he was a government employee in some unspecified agency. 

If the FAA had a picture of him, it probably means that he had a pilot's license at some point in the early 1950s.  Personally, I was fingerprinted at the age of about 15 or 16 by the USAF in order to ride on USAF aircraft.  In the very early 1950s, at the start of the Korean War, all pilots had to submit in person to an FAA office a fingerprint card and a passport-type photograph and were then issued what was known as an Airman's Identification Card.  The AICs were discontinued after a few years. 

I was also fingerprinted several times during my military service and while working in the Department of Defense.  It is my understanding that all of these fingerprint cards eventually ended up in the FBI files.  So I have an FBI file as does everyone who has served in the military or worked for the government.

If the FAA had a picture of this suspect, it means that he was probably at least 40 years old in 1971 at the time of the hijacking.  And that the FBI had received his fingerprints from both the FAA and the Civil Service Commission. 
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by snowmman on September 19, 2021, 03:03:53 PM »
page 309 is interesting. SAC J. E. Milnes wrote it saying

"SA <redacted> from Chicago called and advised that they had interviewed a former Agent now with FAA who advised that very likely the photograph of <redacted> would be sent to the FAA Headquarters in Washington. I told him that if we did not get a photograph of him [apparently referencing the "RE: <redacted>" subject] from <redacted> then we would try to get one from Washington."


seems to suggest that the suspect had a picture with FAA somehow? maybe pilot or ??


on page 310, it says the suspect was fingerprinted by the "Civil Service Commission on <redacted> and has FBI <redacted>"

not sure what that all means

then on page 311 SA Charles E. Farrell writes up a description of a suspect, who has a long arrest record.

it's not clear if it's the same suspect. The writeup is on 11/27/71
it references someone "said <redacted>" on November 8, 1971

then there's a handwritten "Open File on Suspect"

But the next page talks about sending a photo to witnesses at Seattle. Says photo is to be returned to Tacoma Police Dept. So they must have got a photo from Tacoma Police..

could be a different suspect, but could be the same suspect.

all of those reports from 11/27/71
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by snowmman on September 19, 2021, 02:50:51 PM »
The same reports being quoted from the "2A" file are in fbi file 11 page 305-310
(DB Cooper-1773 through 1780)

DB Cooper-1777, 1778, 1781 pages are  apparently not in the file for some reason.

SAC J. E. Milnes was writing the reports on this unsub, apparently. (initials J E M)
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by georger on September 19, 2021, 02:42:03 PM »
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Why would I go ballistic?

I’m not married to any particular theory. That said, I’ll still take the word of the national military security apparatus than some lonely airport manager who probably spent most of his time beating off to Playboy centerfolds than listening in on radio transmissions.

what!? You have the longtime Troutdale airport manager at the time all wrong. He did not endorse some west path. The rest is uncalled for ... 305 passing on the west side of PDX does not indicate a west path ... or unicorns in Tibet either. 

In fact, not al small airports closed in spite of knowing about the hijacking .... there was no order to close all small airports ...  small plane air traffic was reported during the passage of 305 south and some of that traffic is documented in Part 2A that we just got. You can read several reports in 2A, pages 31?, 50s... etc.

Georger, so ". . .305 passing on the west side of PDX does not indicate a west path. . .".

Then just exactly what does it indicate?  Have you had any training in "logic"?

OK.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on September 19, 2021, 02:41:06 PM »
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hunh?

I thought Georger was gently and comedically letting me know that my post was embarrassingly referencing old stuff that had been discussed and resolved long ago :-) 

So, I thought that was funny.

Not true. Georger has never seen Part 2A before or this document. This is all new to me. How did it get resolved or did it? Anyone know?

There seem to be as many myths and myth makers focusing on G as there is about DB Cooper!

This doc could be a breakthrough document if its true! How did the world miss this!?

that unsub is mentioned in other fbi files. See my prior post

Does it look to you like the original complaint was filed with Minneapolis?   .......  or Chicago? 

No statement about which NWA flight it was ??
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by snowmman on September 19, 2021, 02:36:47 PM »
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hunh?

I thought Georger was gently and comedically letting me know that my post was embarrassingly referencing old stuff that had been discussed and resolved long ago :-) 

So, I thought that was funny.

Not true. Georger has never seen Part 2A before or this document. This is all new to me. How did it get resolved or did it? Anyone know?

There seem to be as many myths and myth makers focusing on G as there is about DB Cooper!

This doc could be a breakthrough document if its true! How did the world miss this!?

that unsub is mentioned in other fbi files. See my prior post
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on September 19, 2021, 02:35:47 PM »
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hunh?

I thought Georger was gently and comedically letting me know that my post was embarrassingly referencing old stuff that had been discussed and resolved long ago :-) 

So, I thought that was funny.

Not true. Georger has never seen Part 2A before or this document. This is all new to me. How did it get resolved or did it? Anyone know?

There seem to be as many myths and myth makers focusing on G as there is about DB Cooper!

This doc could be a breakthrough document if its true! How did the world miss this!?   
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by snowmman on September 19, 2021, 02:35:14 PM »
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On this subject who asked "what degree of flaps would be necessary to slow it down; what effect lowering the wheels would have on the speed; whether the rear ladder could be opened in flight" etc

in fbi file page 195 (attached)...the statements are repeated about the unsub.

Three witnessses, apparently in seattle, viewed his photo and "indicate he is not the subject".

This was 12/1/71. I wonder what witnesses would have viewed the photo in Seattle then?

But it also seems to suggest that Chicago interview the unsub?
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