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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on Today at 04:34:37 AM »
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If I understand the last of the two responses, the FBI will in fact release either a copy of the flight recorder record or the flight recorder log.  Do you know if this will consist of digital readouts of the FDR or a copy of the actual FDR foil?

At present, I have no way of knowing what the FBI will release. I have several FOIA requests which have received the same response (that "responsive documents" will be published and the FBI will notify me), but so far the FBI has not published any such documents or sent any notification.

The last (2nd) response you posted says:  The second reply, dated 04.21.2021, is:
"Records responsive to your request will be made available in the FBI’s electronic FOIA Library (The
Vault) on the FBI’s public website, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login. You will be notified when releases are available."

Sounds like they are going to release 302s 'that respond to your request' in some form. That could be a report about the FDR readout conclusions.  It sounds like they are going to tailor the contents of the next Part Release to your request. ?   

Why dont you ask for the Q40/41 dna profiles ?  ;)
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by Bruce A. Smith on Today at 04:16:35 AM »
I defer to your research, 377. You've been more successful than I.

Regarding Moses Lake, I attempted to dig up some contacts there that could tell me about the test runs out there, but to no avail. Oddly, Mike McPheters lives in Moses Lake....
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Dfs346 on Today at 03:58:48 AM »
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If I understand the last of the two responses, the FBI will in fact release either a copy of the flight recorder record or the flight recorder log.  Do you know if this will consist of digital readouts of the FDR or a copy of the actual FDR foil?

At present, I have no way of knowing what the FBI will release. I have several FOIA requests which have received the same response (that "responsive documents" will be published and the FBI will notify me), but so far the FBI has not published any such documents or sent any notification.
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by 377 on Today at 03:29:38 AM »
“ Nat Loufoque let me know today that DB Cooper is back on TV this weekend, at "The Unexplained" with William Shattner. Season 2, Episode 26, titled: "Outrageous Robberies."

DBC is the opening section and spends about 10-15 minutes giving the highlights of the case, but focusing on the CIA and Air America connection as providing an insight as to how DBC could know the 727 could be flown with the aft stairs deployed. They also suggest that the skyjacking was an agency op to improve airline safety.”

I’ve studied the Southern Air Transport 727 airdrops over Korat Thailand. It’s my conclusion that the airstairs were removed for these ops. Any contrary opinions?

Boeing’s 727 airdrop tests over Moses Lake WA appear to have retained the airstairs.

377
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by EU on April 22, 2021, 03:45:18 PM »
A reminder that the money is still out there.

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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Shutter on April 22, 2021, 08:30:19 AM »
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Great!!!  If I understand the last of the two responses, the FBI will in fact release either a copy of the flight recorder record or the flight recorder log.  Do you know if this will consist of digital readouts of the FDR or a copy of the actual FDR foil?

I'm not sure the FBI was ever in control of the data surrounding the FDR. this was done by NWO. hopefully I'm wrong.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Dfs346 on April 22, 2021, 05:23:06 AM »
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How specific were you with the request. the above info "flight recorder record" is reference to the FDR

My request was exactly as I quoted above. I agree that the phrase "flight recorder record" appears to refer to the FDR.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on April 22, 2021, 12:54:19 AM »
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I’m saying CODIS because that is where the Cooper DNA is believed to be.

If Cooper’s DNA or a relative of Cooper then had there DNA uploaded to CODIS, what I am hearing is there is not guarantee of an automatic “hit”.

Oh I see what you are saying. CODIS is a system and there are several 'systems'. The Codis system the FBI uses is not open to the public.

from one NDIS manual:  'CODIS is the acronym for the Combined DNA Index System and is the generic term used to describe the FBI’s program of support for criminal justice DNA databases as well as the software used to run these databases. The National DNA Index System or NDIS is considered one part of CODIS, the national level, containing the DNA profiles contributed by federal, state, and local participating forensic laboratories.'

Public systems are different and not totally compatible with NDIS. All of these systems are proprietary software driven... the FBI can access all of the systems but the general public cannot.   

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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Chaucer on April 22, 2021, 12:38:07 AM »
I’m saying CODIS because that is where the Cooper DNA is believed to be.

If Cooper’s DNA or a relative of Cooper then had there DNA uploaded to CODIS, what I am hearing is there is not guarantee of an automatic “hit”.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on April 22, 2021, 12:25:23 AM »
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So, assuming the DNA in CODIS is Cooper, and assuming Cooper is my uncle (he’s not; I’m being hypothetical), if I uploaded my DNA to CODIS, there’s no guarantee the FBI are even going to see a match? Unless they specifically ran my DNA against Cooper’s? It’s not automatic.

Thats right. Remember these are statistical issues where 'stringency' of responses at loci matters. 'stringency' of response in the test data is one determiner of partial vs not-partial.

You keep saying Codis. Just remember the ProfilePlus results are not a full CODIS test - the two systems dont use the same loci!

All of these issues might be solved IF the FBI conducted modern tests using modern PCR methods. ... as FJ is asking for, FJ is 100% correct. I am sure your friend would agree.   
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