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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3315 on: September 19, 2022, 09:51:37 AM »
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He seemed reasonably comfortable with changes in the plan and may well have anticipated a number of possible changes to the plan as things progressed.

That might indicate jumping and/or military experience. I think in both circumstances it is standard to pre-plan for all possible contingencies.

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Would there have been any issues jumping out of an ascending aircraft?

Depends on the aircraft. In smaller aircraft, jumping out of a side door, if it's in a climbing attitude it could increase the chances of striking the tail. Coming out of the rear stairs of that jet would not present that problem. However, a climbing aircraft is under more power and has more speed, and that can be a problem. Especially in that jet, he would want that thing slowed down as much as possible, which would mean level flight, and was the reason he asked for flaps and gear down.

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If the steps had been lowered prior to take off would they have been in a locked position?

Those steps down and locked were designed to support the tail of that aircraft. With all the engines on the tail, it was tail-heavy and could tip back while being boarded. So if the stairs were locked down, it would prevent the plane from rotating properly for takeoff, and could cause it to crash.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3316 on: September 19, 2022, 04:10:18 PM »
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Thought this might be a fun thought exercise:

What would have the Cooper hijacking looked like had Cooper’s plan worked exactly as he had anticipated?

A fascinating thought process. Should we consider 'hoped for' as opposed to anticipated? He seemed reasonably comfortable with changes in the plan and may well have anticipated a number of possible changes to the plan as things progressed.

Would there have been any issues jumping out of an ascending aircraft? If the steps had been lowered prior to take off would they have been in a locked position?

Jumping from a 727 that was climbing or descending would not be a problem.

If the aft stairs were down and locked, there would probably be a problem in taking off depending on the flap setting.  The pilots might not have sufficient longitudinal control power to crush the aft stairs and rotate the aircraft to the angle of attack necessary to take off.  And the required angle of attack depends on the leading edge device settings and the trailing edge flap settings.

If the aft stairs were down and not locked, there would not be any problem taking off.  The aft stairs would be off the pavement within one or two hundred feet of the start of the take-off roll due to both the dynamic and aerodynamic forces on it.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3317 on: November 16, 2022, 11:04:35 AM »
I just wonder how much has the real DB Cooper taken from all of you?  You know, money, time spent chasing a ghost?  Its the case that keeps on giving and keeps on taking away at the same time.  Now Bruce has had enough and is " riding off into the sunset".  I admire him for doing that. Its tough to walk away from a passion like this.  But I am sure he will keep one eye peeled on the case unless its ever truly solved.  Good luck Bruce!
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3318 on: November 16, 2022, 12:19:39 PM »
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I just wonder how much has the real DB Cooper taken from all of you?  You know, money, time spent chasing a ghost?  Its the case that keeps on giving and keeps on taking away at the same time. 

Great question. I'm totally going to steal that one!

Personally I'd say DB Cooper has taken about $3500 from me, and countless hours. That includes hosting fees, travel for interviews/CooperCon, and over 40 books. For most I imagine its quite a bit less. In the positive column, I've made $100, got a few free books, a few free trips, and made a lot of friends.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3319 on: November 17, 2022, 02:57:48 AM »
Seeing that the jets were scrambled during the Cooper hijacking, makes you wonder why the 9/11 hijackers were not intercepted.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3320 on: November 17, 2022, 04:44:21 AM »
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I just wonder how much has the real DB Cooper taken from all of you?  You know, money, time spent chasing a ghost?  Its the case that keeps on giving and keeps on taking away at the same time. 

Great question. I'm totally going to steal that one!

Personally I'd say DB Cooper has taken about $3500 from me, and countless hours. That includes hosting fees, travel for interviews/CooperCon, and over 40 books. For most I imagine its quite a bit less. In the positive column, I've made $100, got a few free books, a few free trips, and made a lot of friends.

I'd say the friends part is priceless.  But you also had fun doing it.  It sure looks like this one is going to go down with some of the other great unsolved mysteries and the exception is there is nobody that winds up dead in this one.  Of course there is a good part of me that still believes that Richard McCoy was DB Cooper but I certainly cant prove it and there is no real proof out there.  Now I saw another theory, another dead guy that EU thinks was Cooper.  He is still investigating it. The guy does not look like him IMO.  If he was one of the known suspects my money is on McCoy.  But of course he could be someone they have never found.  I highly doubt the real Cooper is alive
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3321 on: November 23, 2022, 07:55:40 PM »
I know that DB Cooper has become somewhat of an iconic personality but we seem to be losing sight of the fact that this man was in fact a criminal. If you hijacked a plane today you would most likely be considered a terrorist.
And to those who believe this was a victimless crime, please wake up. The people who endured those hours with Cooper were to become emotionally traumatized individuals.
The thoughts of a man holding a bomb that could blow up the plane your on in mid flight and kill you would become nightmares for these people for years if not a lifetime.
I watched the clip of Bill Mitchell from this year's CooperCon, when he was describing his time on the plane and when he got to the part where he had to mention the word bomb, you could clearly see he had emotional struggles with reliving those moments.
He and the others, like Flo and Tina and the pilot crew did not know if they would live or die that night. That is something one doesn't really ever get over especially in an era where seeing a therapist was more or less a taboo subject.
It's true that Bill didn't know about the bomb till afterwards, but the emotional results are the same when he did find out because he was right there watching the guy.
Yes this is an interesting case because Cooper has never been publicly identified but I think that all the hoopla people are giving Cooper, (mostly on the other site) like it's DB Cooper day, is a disservice to the emotional trauma his victims endured that night and for every night and year after that.

This is all just my own opinion.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3322 on: November 24, 2022, 12:07:06 PM »
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I know that DB Cooper has become somewhat of an iconic personality but we seem to be losing sight of the fact that this man was in fact a criminal. If you hijacked a plane today you would most likely be considered a terrorist.
And to those who believe this was a victimless crime, please wake up. The people who endured those hours with Cooper were to become emotionally traumatized individuals.
The thoughts of a man holding a bomb that could blow up the plane your on in mid flight and kill you would become nightmares for these people for years if not a lifetime.
I watched the clip of Bill Mitchell from this year's CooperCon, when he was describing his time on the plane and when he got to the part where he had to mention the word bomb, you could clearly see he had emotional struggles with reliving those moments.
He and the others, like Flo and Tina and the pilot crew did not know if they would live or die that night. That is something one doesn't really ever get over especially in an era where seeing a therapist was more or less a taboo subject.
It's true that Bill didn't know about the bomb till afterwards, but the emotional results are the same when he did find out because he was right there watching the guy.
Yes this is an interesting case because Cooper has never been publicly identified but I think that all the hoopla people are giving Cooper, (mostly on the other site) like it's DB Cooper day, is a disservice to the emotional trauma his victims endured that night and for every night and year after that.

This is all just my own opinion.

A lot of us agree with you, Cooper was first and foremost a criminal.
 
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