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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3270 on: January 13, 2022, 09:43:34 PM »
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The sled test didn’t do a lot of things DM and according to the good doctor Edward’s in his latest book they did things like going into the hydraulic system panel and disabling them making the stairs less stable. How the hell would Cooper have known to do that and why would he. They had plenty of volunteers it’s in the 302’s to do an apples to apples comparison but they took a different route. 🤔

I hadn't seen that before? If they really changed stuff on the stairs, then yeah, isnt the test bogus?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3271 on: January 13, 2022, 10:44:40 PM »
If you disable the hydraulics the stairs would not retract and would be a bitch to get down, especially with a wind load on them. when the hydraulics fail, you have to pump fluid into the system in order to get them to work.

They wanted Cooper off the plane.

The test was approved by Anderson, a key witness to what happened that evening. he agreed it replicated what happened.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3272 on: January 14, 2022, 09:06:21 PM »
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If you disable the hydraulics the stairs would not retract and would be a bitch to get down, especially with a wind load on them. when the hydraulics fail, you have to pump fluid into the system in order to get them to work.

They wanted Cooper off the plane.

The test was approved by Anderson, a key witness to what happened that evening. he agreed it replicated what happened.


Why would Anderson's approval mean anything?
sure he was in the plane, but he's not an engineer that might have a valid opinion on whether changing anything in the experiment would make the experiment invalid? I use 'invalid" in terms of getting a result that could be used to reasonably predict where Cooper jumped, by replicating the actions of everything that happened the night of Cooper's jump, with the airplane and Cooper.

He's just a witness that experienced a result. Surely he has little qualification for designing experiments in this case (especially if anything was modified compared to what happened when he was a passenger?)

The 727 had unknown behavior. They did an experiment to learn something. They may have learned something...but was it enough to make a statement about where Cooper jumped? Or was it just a random second experiment?

confusing?
EDIT: this is all about the question of whether hydraulics were modified in the sled test. Not about cooper's jump.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3273 on: January 14, 2022, 09:24:43 PM »
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If you disable the hydraulics the stairs would not retract and would be a bitch to get down, especially with a wind load on them. when the hydraulics fail, you have to pump fluid into the system in order to get them to work.

They wanted Cooper off the plane.

The test was approved by Anderson, a key witness to what happened that evening. he agreed it replicated what happened.
It’s important to point out that the bump was replicated according to Anderson, but not the oscillations that occurred prior.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3274 on: January 14, 2022, 09:40:06 PM »
But, as was discussed earlier and you seemed to agree with, they likely did not replicate the conditions that might have caused the lesser oscillations, i.e. Cooper venturing a bit down and up the stairs.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3275 on: January 14, 2022, 11:26:26 PM »
IMO, I don't believe Cooper went down and back up the stairs. I think he went down them and jumped just as all the others did after his hijacking. the stairs were partially open and Cooper could of tossed things out the way they were similar to cracking a window and tossing objects out a moving car. it sucks it right out.

Reading the documents tends to say Cooper went down them and jumped. the moment the stairs retracted is what's important and that's was replicated along with a possible time frame.

They speak of the lesser oscillations occurring prior to the 8:10 time frame and after which could of been caused by turbulence they spoke of during the flight. if the needle fluctuates on the gauge he would know the difference from the stairs being down for a moment.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3276 on: January 15, 2022, 10:47:47 AM »
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But, as was discussed earlier and you seemed to agree with, they likely did not replicate the conditions that might have caused the lesser oscillations, i.e. Cooper venturing a bit down and up the stairs.
Agree 100%.

 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3277 on: January 15, 2022, 04:40:05 PM »
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But, as was discussed earlier and you seemed to agree with, they likely did not replicate the conditions that might have caused the lesser oscillations, i.e. Cooper venturing a bit down and up the stairs.
Agree 100%.

Lesser vs Major vs minor vs Bump-a-lots!  THE CULT OF THE OSCILLATIONS VS BUMP-O-RAMA!  All started by the cultists at Dropzone. Now being replicated by a few people here. It never ends . . .

People's words being picked to death by over zealous engineers and pseudo-engineers 50 years after the fact. The fact is it is a strategy being used by people who cannot get their way by any other means .... may have nothing to do with the actual events during the hijacking. This crap just never ends .............  :nono: 

Until this REVISIONIST crap start what we had was a general agreement the test mission duplicated the basic facts of the hijacking concerning oscillations and a pressure event. Now the NEO REVISIONISTS have split all of this up into a million parts ...... people none of whom were even there! It is as predictably laughable as it is useless and wrong. Maybe the real Cooper was Mahindra Sutra from Deli - who knows! All based on the NEW THEORY of minor vs major oscillations and micro-machions ... detectable by pseudo  engineers on some forums in 2022. Who knows maybe the planet is flat after all! 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3278 on: January 17, 2022, 01:22:04 AM »
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But, as was discussed earlier and you seemed to agree with, they likely did not replicate the conditions that might have caused the lesser oscillations, i.e. Cooper venturing a bit down and up the stairs.
Agree 100%.


Lesser vs Major vs minor vs Bump-a-lots!  THE CULT OF THE OSCILLATIONS VS BUMP-O-RAMA!  All started by the cultists at Dropzone. Now being replicated by a few people here. It never ends . . .

People's words being picked to death by over zealous engineers and pseudo-engineers 50 years after the fact. The fact is it is a strategy being used by people who cannot get their way by any other means .... may have nothing to do with the actual events during the hijacking. This crap just never ends .............  :nono: 

Until this REVISIONIST crap start what we had was a general agreement the test mission duplicated the basic facts of the hijacking concerning oscillations and a pressure event. Now the NEO REVISIONISTS have split all of this up into a million parts ...... people none of whom were even there! It is as predictably laughable as it is useless and wrong. Maybe the real Cooper was Mahindra Sutra from Deli - who knows! All based on the NEW THEORY of minor vs major oscillations and micro-machions ... detectable by pseudo  engineers on some forums in 2022. Who knows maybe the planet is flat after all!


yeah well I can just refute all that with two words: "quantum entanglement"
I am working with a theoretical physicist to write the definitive book on Flight 305.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3279 on: January 17, 2022, 03:52:24 PM »
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But, as was discussed earlier and you seemed to agree with, they likely did not replicate the conditions that might have caused the lesser oscillations, i.e. Cooper venturing a bit down and up the stairs.
Agree 100%.




Lesser vs Major vs minor vs Bump-a-lots!  THE CULT OF THE OSCILLATIONS VS BUMP-O-RAMA!  All started by the cultists at Dropzone. Now being replicated by a few people here. It never ends . . .

People's words being picked to death by over zealous engineers and pseudo-engineers 50 years after the fact. The fact is it is a strategy being used by people who cannot get their way by any other means .... may have nothing to do with the actual events during the hijacking. This crap just never ends .............  :nono: 

Until this REVISIONIST crap start what we had was a general agreement the test mission duplicated the basic facts of the hijacking concerning oscillations and a pressure event. Now the NEO REVISIONISTS have split all of this up into a million parts ...... people none of whom were even there! It is as predictably laughable as it is useless and wrong. Maybe the real Cooper was Mahindra Sutra from Deli - who knows! All based on the NEW THEORY of minor vs major oscillations and micro-machions ... detectable by pseudo  engineers on some forums in 2022. Who knows maybe the planet is flat after all!


yeah well I can just refute all that with two words: "quantum entanglement"
I am working with a theoretical physicist to write the definitive book on Flight 305.

Snowmman, who has now admitted that he has not even read Dr. Edwards' book but feels fully qualified to criticize it, is apparently moving on to the quantum world in hopes of explaining a two-bit hijacking that fell through the cracks.

Georger, who is never at a loss for words to criticize "over zealous engineers and pseudo-engineers", is apparently sticking with his theory that the hobos near Tena Bar ended up with the money.  It is also a safe bet that Georger has not read Dr. Edwards' book either.

Bruce Smith, who apparently has by today read at least some of Dr. Edwards' book, has criticized the book for not mentioning himself or his own book.  Bruce is apparently now trying to ingrate himself with the Seattle UFO community although RMB of DropZone fame is attempting to counter that.

Both Snowmman (who states that he has not read the book) and Bruce Smith have complained that Dr. Edwards' book is difficult to read.  Of the people who have written reviews on Amazon or GoodReads, Bruce is apparently the only one who found it difficult to read.

Snowmman, if you are going "to write the definitive book on Flight 305", how about listing your aeronautical qualifications for doing so.  To the best of my knowledge, Georger and Bruce Smith don't have any.

FULL DISCLOSURE:  I doubt if Snowmman, Georger, or Bruce Smith would know a technical "fact" if it bit them in their butt.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3280 on: January 17, 2022, 06:20:55 PM »
Robert, have you ever considered that the theory of quantum entanglement suggests that fellows like Snowmman and I could become quantum-ly entangled with you and thereby know everything you know about avionics?

Just a theory, but...

As for my reading Doc Edwards' book, here is the page-by-page analysis of my attentiveness in terms of percentages:

1. Pages read:                           100%
2. Pages underlined in red:           90%
3. Pages understood:                   60%
4. Pages remembered:                 40%
5. Pages accepted as useful          39%
6. Pages accepted as meaningful: 30%
7. Pages considered valuable:       28%
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3281 on: January 17, 2022, 06:33:01 PM »
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Robert, have you ever considered that the theory of quantum entanglement suggests that fellows like Snowmman and I could become quantum-ly entangled with you and thereby know everything you know about avionics?

Just a theory, but...

As for my reading Doc Edwards' book, here is the page-by-page analysis of my attentiveness in terms of percentages:

1. Pages read:                           100%
2. Pages underlined in red:           90%
3. Pages understood:                   60%
4. Pages remembered:                 40%
5. Pages accepted as useful          39%
6. Pages accepted as meaningful: 30%
7. Pages considered valuable:       28%

I love that Bruce is being honest here, but it's also a nod to the abuse of numbers (apparently) by Edwards.
I thought about 87% of the characters I typed, in this reponse.
The post has overall readability of 63%
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3282 on: January 17, 2022, 06:34:41 PM »
To be clear, I will criticize all posts on the internet, in any forum, that don't mention me.
Seems like there was some misunderstanding about that.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3283 on: January 17, 2022, 10:04:00 PM »
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To be clear, I will criticize all posts on the internet, in any forum, that don't mention me.
Seems like there was some misunderstanding about that.

Snowmman & Bruce, maybe you fellows need to look for a site that has posts in a simpler language or whatever it is that is "readable" to you.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3284 on: January 17, 2022, 10:08:54 PM »
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To be clear, I will criticize all posts on the internet, in any forum, that don't mention me.
Seems like there was some misunderstanding about that.

Snowmman & Bruce, maybe you fellows need to look for a site that has posts in a simpler language or whatever it is that is "readable" to you.

uh.
I had looked around before landing here.
This was the bottom-of-the-barrel.
There is nothing else.