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georger

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1155 on: November 05, 2016, 11:42:15 PM »
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The reliability of the age metric is, IMHO, the weakest descriptor for Cooper. It is widely known that how folks age widely varies, and should not be too heavily relied upon.
I am consistently "carded" at fine establishments, despite heaving enjoyed the product served longer than the server has been alive in many cases.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1156 on: November 06, 2016, 12:44:56 AM »
age can be difficult sometimes, but I find it hard to understand how it could go from the 50's down to the 20's.

Same for descriptions. most crimes last only seconds and the victim doesn't have much time to react. Tina spent hours with him. then some people try and use the passengers descriptions, those are all over the board because they had no reason to recall him.

Then we have the sketch that almost everyone agree's could be inaccurate, but most place there suspect right next to it stating similarities?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1157 on: November 06, 2016, 01:34:39 AM »
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age can be difficult sometimes, but I find it hard to understand how it could go from the 50's down to the 20's.

Again - age is not something that is consistently applied to people (and there are outliers aplenty). And IF there was one descriptor that is subjective, it would be age. To me, it is just something I wouldn't take completely at - no pun intended - face value, regardless of the eyewitness accounts.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1158 on: November 06, 2016, 03:47:03 AM »
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The reliability of the age metric is, IMHO, the weakest descriptor for Cooper. It is widely known that how folks age widely varies, and should not be too heavily relied upon.
I am consistently "carded" at fine establishments, despite heaving enjoyed the product served longer than the server has been alive in many cases.
Just my two cents...

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Yeah, I get tired of people telling me I look 39, or I look young for my age.  I know how it is.... but it's not my fault I'm so young-looking and handsome.  Ha!
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1159 on: November 06, 2016, 04:15:06 AM »
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The reliability of the age metric is, IMHO, the weakest descriptor for Cooper. It is widely known that how folks age widely varies, and should not be too heavily relied upon.
I am consistently "carded" at fine establishments, despite heaving enjoyed the product served longer than the server has been alive in many cases.
Just my two cents...

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Yeah, I get tired of people telling me I look 39, or I look young for my age.  I know how it is.... but it's not my fault I'm so young-looking and handsome.  Ha!

Speaking of getting carded.....did you know that in the 60s and 70s, Canadians did not have picture IDs.  Your ID did not have your picture on it.  I kid you not!  My cousin Lee from Canada came down to the states and we decided to go out to a local bar one night. 

The bouncer asked us for ID.  My cousin handed him his Canadian driver's license.   The bouncer took a quick look and handed it right back to Lee and said, "Sir, I'm sorry, I need ID with a picture on it." 
So Lee grabbed back his ID, drew a quick picture on it, and handed it back to the bouncer.
The bouncer looked at it again, and said, "Sir, I'm sorry, but I need a picture of you on it."
So cousin Lee took the ID back, drew a quick picture of himself on it, then handed it back to the bouncer.
The bouncer looked at it again and replied, "Sir, I'm sorry, but this just isn't good enough!"
Cousin Lee then retorted, "What the hell is this!?  You gotta be an artist to get into this place, or what??"

Had to tell that one -- been a while since I told a joke around here......

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Offline Bill Rollins

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1160 on: November 06, 2016, 09:12:20 AM »
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The part above in bold is something I've thought about a lot. What was ripping apart a lot of families during this time period?

The Vietnam war of course.

Cooper was described by most to be around 45-50 years old. It's perfectly reasonable then that he may have had a son of Vietnam draft age in the mid-late 60's. So many young men did not come home alive and I've often wondered if Cooper may have had a son killed in Vietnam. He had a grudge against the government for shipping his son off to war only to not come back home again. His whole world was turned upside down by this loss. People react differently to tragedy and tragedy has a way of sending some people off the deep end. Take someone who is maybe not the most emotionally or mentally stable person to begin with and add a personal tragedy of this magnitude on top. Now mix in a feeling of betrayal and grudge against the government for their role in this tragedy. Now you have the recipe for something totally crazy to happen .... you know, like hijacking an airplane and ransoming the government.

When thinking about Cooper's motive, this is one that has always sort of resonated with me.

I can see several other potential tragedies that may have been the catalyst for Cooper:

1) An airline crash in CA where an F-4 collides with a DC-9.  All passengers are killed.  Where was Air Traffic Control?  Could Cooper's family be on the passenger plane?
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2) An Alaska Airlines 727 crashes on approach to Juneau, AK.  All are killed.  Again, where was Air Traffic Control and could Cooper's family be on this plane?
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3) Could Cooper's grudge be against the FBI because of a hijacking incident just 7 weeks prior to his.  This incident has become known as the classic example of how not to deal with a hijacking.  When the FBI tries to play hardball, the hijacker kills the young pilot, his estranged wife, then himself.  The 29 year old dead pilot has a 1-1/2 year old son and a wife who is 7 months pregnant.  After the incident, the FBI claims no responsibility for the outcome.
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4) Some other local incident that never garnered national attention, but left Cooper without a loved one.

But I agree, there was some very tragic event in Cooper's life that lead to this hijacking.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1161 on: November 06, 2016, 12:08:32 PM »
Personally, I could get past the age issue with Rackstraw if there were any hard evidence pointing to him. It's the absence of any hard evidence, coupled with the age issue, that point to him as being someone who probably isn't our guy.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1162 on: November 06, 2016, 02:42:52 PM »
Picture IDs

My New York State drivers license did not have a picture of Moi until the late 1970s, I believe. I clearly remember the days of not having photo ID.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1163 on: November 06, 2016, 07:37:01 PM »
Was it Scott who started the easterly flight path?


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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1164 on: November 06, 2016, 09:55:59 PM »
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Personally, I could get past the age issue with Rackstraw if there were any hard evidence pointing to him. It's the absence of any hard evidence, coupled with the age issue, that point to him as being someone who probably isn't our guy.

"Absence of any hard evidence"? Really? Have you seen the 50 five-star reviews of Colbert's investigative book posted at Amazon - where not one of the readers states he's wrong? (Full disclosure -- I'm one of them).

How about Colbert's website, DBCooper.com? Take ten minutes to scan the 102 pieces of evidence cited, including DNA and forensics, that his Cold Case Team (Disclosure again -- I'm one of the 40) spent five years hunting down - under "Court Evidence" button at top of home page. While there, look at the comments in "Testimonials" section. And finally, absorb the new revelations in the updated articles, which extend now for three pages -- if you only read one, look at "D.B. Cooper Mystery Deepens" (towards the bottom of the home page).

There is more to the Cooper case than the discussion here. There are several great books, written by folks in the trenches. Colbert's book - with its 47 pages of footnotes - is one of them that I highly recommend. I did. So did 377. So did George21226 and JustJulz. I don't think you can get any closer to "someone who probably IS our guy."

But what do I know...

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1165 on: November 07, 2016, 12:47:20 AM »
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Was it Scott who started the easterly flight path?


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Scott and Rataczak .... at Himmelsbach's retirement party according to JT.
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Offline Bruce A. Smith

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1166 on: November 07, 2016, 01:08:31 AM »
Not exactly.

Scott said the flight path was WEST of Ariel over Woodland, not east over the Washougal, at Himmelsbach's retirement party, according to Calame and Rhodes.

But Himmelsbach is ADAMANT that Rataczak told him 305 was over the Washougal.

The clip from the KOIN reporter, Mike Monaghan, infers that Scott claimed Washougal, too, but does not make clear how or why he would say that. The FBI debriefing report on Scott is pretty sketchy. Ol' Scotty didn't say much of anything, deferring to everyone else.

Remember, JT was not at Himmelsbach's retirement party. Jerry and Ralph only connected in the late 1990s, according to Himmelsbach, when Jerry was roaming the Washougal River valley and found that briefcase in the cave, etc.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1167 on: November 07, 2016, 08:33:04 AM »
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Personally, I could get past the age issue with Rackstraw if there were any hard evidence pointing to him. It's the absence of any hard evidence, coupled with the age issue, that point to him as being someone who probably isn't our guy.
I agree.  And, it's not so much that the hijacker could not be in his 20s.  He just has to look like he's in his 40s.    I don't see Rackstraw as someone everyone would confuse for a much older man, but then, I didn't see what he looked like in November 1971.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1168 on: November 07, 2016, 10:04:46 AM »
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And, it's not so much that the hijacker could not be in his 20s.  He just has to look like he's in his 40s.    I don't see Rackstraw as someone everyone would confuse for a much older man, but then, I didn't see what he looked like in November 1971.

And ya see, I disagree with that - based on the photos I have seen. My point is: using the age metric to dismiss a suspect, which we all agree is subjective by its very nature, isn't in the best interests of an investigation. 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1169 on: November 07, 2016, 11:33:41 AM »
Perhaps I wrongly  rephrased.  I'm not saying Rackstraw couldn't be confused for 40 -- just that I didn't see any photos before 1979, so I can't say he was someone who looked 40 in 1971.   I'm not saying he didn't, just that I don't know.
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