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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2370 on: March 16, 2020, 05:37:31 PM »
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You have to have good reason for using the word "liar"

I don't see any evidence suggesting anyone went to the back of the plane other than a passenger. many talked about seeing a woman bring in the bag and chutes. nobody claimed a male doing the same. the FBI would ave to silence everyone on the plane. I've et to read about any of this from the witnesses..

I have heard from several witnesses that two men brought the money on board and Tina picked up the loot at the front of the plane. She is definitely the one who carried it to the back of the plane. I heard this from Larry Feingold, Scott MacPherson, Mike Cooper, and I think Jack Almstad. I have not seen any documentation on these tidbits anywhere.

So Tina did not go down the stairs to get any chutes she brought on? Or, she made two trips down the stair in addition to the chutes the guys brought up the stairs?

Did you ever interview anyone about the Heisson store story?

Correction: The witnesses I spoke with said that Tina did not go down the stairs for the money. Further, they were off the plane by the time Tina went down for the chutes. I assume she told the truth about that.

In addition, I have not made any inquiries regarding the Heisson robbery. As a mater of fact, I just learned where Heisson is!
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2371 on: March 16, 2020, 06:46:53 PM »
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Georger, I thought we had an understanding that I would not reply to your posts and that you would not reply to mine.  Consequently, I will be reporting your wise assed post above.

Georger, please abide by the gentleman's agreement set between you and R99. you are causing more problems than you are aware of. this forum will get on track with the Cooper case and discuss it rationally and challenged respectively. If you challenge other sites, do it respectively or directly.....

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2372 on: March 16, 2020, 11:29:26 PM »
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Georger, I thought we had an understanding that I would not reply to your posts and that you would not reply to mine.  Consequently, I will be reporting your wise assed post above.

Georger, please abide by the gentleman's agreement set between you and R99. you are causing more problems than you are aware of. this forum will get on track with the Cooper case and discuss it rationally and challenged respectively. If you challenge other sites, do it respectively or directly.....

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Uh, I have no agreement with R99. The only agreement was your request or demand we not reply to each other. I didnt start this crap in the first place! And I am not the one pushing this!   This is insane.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2373 on: March 16, 2020, 11:35:42 PM »
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How amusing to read all of this stuff.

1) Testimony from people stating that they took note of 305 flying over their homes that night because it was flying so low and was so loud is pure BS. After all, 305 was flying at 10,000 feet with engines throttled back significantly. 10,000 feet is well above what jets departing or arriving into PDX would be flying in the area...even jets approaching PDX while flying over Ariel will normally be flying under 10,000 feet at that point.

2) The railroad tracks do not travel near or behind the Fazio's property. For those who care to look, they will note that the tracks are on the other side of Lake River. No one is honestly arguing that Cooper swam across a river to get to the "island" that Tena Bar is on only to hike another 2,3,4 or 5 miles to Tena Bar, are they? Moreover, no one is honestly arguing that Cooper jumped off the train at the terminal in Vancouver then walked 7 miles north to Tena Bar, only to turn around and hike another 7 miles back to Vancouver, are they?

I merely posted the data - which is more than you have done!

Nobody suggested Cooper swam the Lake River! Only you bring that up! The tracks are closer to the Fazio property than Seattle, or Portland or Vancouver is! Moreover, you can leave the tracks at Vancouver and simply walk up the shoreline to the Fazios. It's all relative. You might be able to hit the Fazios house with an arrow from the tracks?

Let's be honest. You dont want 305 anywhere near Heisson or even Battleground, even if that happened. You are totally invested and promoting your own story, like some virus!  :D You are anything but an impartial observer or commentator. Your propaganda only leads to chaos, dead ends, feuds, and headaches.

You must deny a Heisson story because you are selling your own account - for money $$$$$$$$$$$!   :rofl:     

GEORGER if you want to believe that Cooper walked 40 miles or swam across Lake River have at it. It's all yours.

I can assure you that what I've learned and what I know at this point is light years ahead of where you are. Just wait. You'll see.

On second thought, maybe swimming Lake River is exactly what he did, being pursued ? 

Since you boast you are light years ahead of everyone else how come your signals are still coming in undistorted on standard Earth time? Either your claim is false or ... your claim is false?    Time rolls down hill!   ;)  An observer in front of the source will hear a higher frequency f = c + 0c – 0.7c f0 = 3.33 f0 and an observer behind the source will hear a lower frequency f = c – 0c + 0.7c f0 = 0.59 f0 . Now the source is moving at the speed of sound in the medium (Ï…s = c). When this principle is applied to light speeds over light years, and electromagnetic effects, the results are profound! So your claim is only a boast without substance.  ;)

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2374 on: March 17, 2020, 06:02:00 AM »
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Uh, I have no agreement with R99. The only agreement was your request or demand we not reply to each other. I didnt start this crap in the first place! And I am not the one pushing this!   This is insane.

Then don't respond to his comments like I suggested..I didn't demand shit.

 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2375 on: March 17, 2020, 09:07:13 AM »
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On second thought, maybe swimming Lake River is exactly what he did, being pursued ? 

Since you boast you are light years ahead of everyone else how come your signals are still coming in undistorted on standard Earth time? Either your claim is false or ... your claim is false?    Time rolls down hill!   ;)  An observer in front of the source will hear a higher frequency f = c + 0c – 0.7c f0 = 3.33 f0 and an observer behind the source will hear a lower frequency f = c – 0c + 0.7c f0 = 0.59 f0 . Now the source is moving at the speed of sound in the medium (Ï…s = c). When this principle is applied to light speeds over light years, and electromagnetic effects, the results are profound! So your claim is only a boast without substance.  ;)

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So now you believe in science and advocate its use?

Perhaps you should then apply some basic physics including wind speed, altitude, weight, surface area, and of course the appropriate co-efficient of friction to the placard-find and see what your new-found appreciation of science tells you? You wouldn't be a part-time flat-Earther, would you?

My previous claim is "only a boast without substance." Hence the last two sentences: "Just wait. You'll see."

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2376 on: March 17, 2020, 11:47:11 AM »
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On second thought, maybe swimming Lake River is exactly what he did, being pursued ? 

Since you boast you are light years ahead of everyone else how come your signals are still coming in undistorted on standard Earth time? Either your claim is false or ... your claim is false?    Time rolls down hill!   ;)  An observer in front of the source will hear a higher frequency f = c + 0c – 0.7c f0 = 3.33 f0 and an observer behind the source will hear a lower frequency f = c – 0c + 0.7c f0 = 0.59 f0 . Now the source is moving at the speed of sound in the medium (Ï…s = c). When this principle is applied to light speeds over light years, and electromagnetic effects, the results are profound! So your claim is only a boast without substance.  ;)

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So now you believe in science and advocate its use?

Perhaps you should then apply some basic physics including wind speed, altitude, weight, surface area, and of course the appropriate co-efficient of friction to the placard-find and see what your new-found appreciation of science tells you? You wouldn't be a part-time flat-Earther, would you?

My previous claim is "only a boast without substance." Hence the last two sentences: "Just wait. You'll see."

EU...out!

Is there an air date for the show yet?  One you are able to share?  I heard summer, but it would be great if it is sooner.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2377 on: March 17, 2020, 12:33:29 PM »
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On second thought, maybe swimming Lake River is exactly what he did, being pursued ? 

Since you boast you are light years ahead of everyone else how come your signals are still coming in undistorted on standard Earth time? Either your claim is false or ... your claim is false?    Time rolls down hill!   ;)  An observer in front of the source will hear a higher frequency f = c + 0c – 0.7c f0 = 3.33 f0 and an observer behind the source will hear a lower frequency f = c – 0c + 0.7c f0 = 0.59 f0 . Now the source is moving at the speed of sound in the medium (Ï…s = c). When this principle is applied to light speeds over light years, and electromagnetic effects, the results are profound! So your claim is only a boast without substance.  ;)

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So now you believe in science and advocate its use?

Perhaps you should then apply some basic physics including wind speed, altitude, weight, surface area, and of course the appropriate co-efficient of friction to the placard-find and see what your new-found appreciation of science tells you? You wouldn't be a part-time flat-Earther, would you?

My previous claim is "only a boast without substance." Hence the last two sentences: "Just wait. You'll see."

EU...out!

First it was eLVIS and High Stakes Hold Em.  Then several runs for the Legislature. Now it is sUPERMAN smoking a cigar and dBCooper.

What's next - a Corona virus vaccine and a run for President from a pontoon raft docked at Tina Bar?   

Wouldn't it have been easier just to run away with the circus?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2378 on: March 17, 2020, 01:24:24 PM »
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Is there an air date for the show yet?  One you are able to share?  I heard summer, but it would be great if it is sooner.

The premiere is currently set for July 5th.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2379 on: March 17, 2020, 01:38:31 PM »
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First it was eLVIS and High Stakes Hold Em.  Then several runs for the Legislature. Now it is sUPERMAN smoking a cigar and dBCooper.

What's next - a Corona virus vaccine and a run for President from a pontoon raft docked at Tina Bar?   

Wouldn't it have been easier just to run away with the circus?

Sounds like I have a fan.

What exactly have you contributed to this case GEORGER? Name one single thing you've discovered? Something you've brought to the table? Anything? What theory have you proposed backed up with evidence? Hell, what theory have you proposed period?

Or do you just sit around and blow smoke, attack everyone else's work and accomplish nothing?

Where do you get off criticizing anybody about anything that they bring to the table? Seriously?

GEORGER, the know-it-all. The man who has yet to accomplished anything. Sits around, trolling others, trying to sound smart all the while sounding like a fool. What a legacy. Congratulations!
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2380 on: March 17, 2020, 02:22:18 PM »
Now let me mention a few observations concerning several people that frequent the Forum who actually bring something to the table:

377: Has contributed mightily concerning skydiving. Also, has graciously let Tom Kaye analyze his Cooper twenty.
Tom Kaye: Discovered the commercially pure titanium and other critical particles on the tie. He has also contributed in other substantive manners to the case.
Shutter: Hosts the Forum and is very good at providing critical feedback and insight into the case, all the while being civil.
Darren: Hosts the Cooper Vortex podcasts and has injected a lot of new things to consider.
Bruce Smith: The Mayor of Cooperville, author of a well-liked and popular book about DBC, has posted and hosted a wealth of DBC related material on The Mountain News.
Nicholas Broughton: Has investigated and contributed a lot specifically as it pertains to his suspect Klansnic.
R99: Analyzed the placard, brings solid info and data to the table and advocates for the Cooper-was-a-no-pull theory and provides an intelligent rationale.
Parrotheadvol: Actively engages in theories and provides civil discourse and food-for-thought.
Fcastle866: Clearly a bright and methodical person representing what this forum needs more of in terms of critical thought.
Haggarknew: Provides a very unique perspective concerning his thoughts and advocated insight into the case and DBC. Yet again, engages people civilly.
Marty Andrade: Has done real work concerning the survivability of the jump, not to mention Max Gunther and combing through census data.

And, of course, there are several others who show up less frequently and contribute substantially in their own way if only by asking questions.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2381 on: March 17, 2020, 03:31:21 PM »
On your previous: 2) The railroad tracks do not travel near or behind the Fazio's property. For those who care to look, they will note that the tracks are on the other side of Lake River. No one is honestly arguing that Cooper swam across a river to get to the "island" that Tena Bar is on only to hike another 2,3,4 or 5 miles to Tena Bar, are they? Moreover, no one is honestly arguing that Cooper jumped off the train at the terminal in Vancouver then walked 7 miles north to Tena Bar, only to turn around and hike another 7 miles back to Vancouver, are they?

1. It is a 1.3 mile distance from the tracks to the water's edge at Tina Bar in 1971-1980!
2. Tina Bar is not an island! It is a beach on the Columbia River.
3. Swam the river? What river?  Lake River formerly called Vancouver Creek, sometimes dries up in the summer according to residents in the area. During those months there is nothing to swim across. In the wetter parts of the year the water levels are cyclical, during floods a raging torrent which drains quickly. Your socalled "river" is a "creek" during most of the year according to local residents. Lake River socalled, or Vancouver Creek is a creek! That is why it was called a "creek" for decades.
4. Vancouver Creek is not 2,3,4 or 5 miles to Tena Bar!  Your math is wrong. It is at most about 1.3 miles.
5. Your last point is too hyperbolic to even comment on . . .

Please get the facts right for a change. Stop all of the BLUSTER! And stop all of the misinformation and hyperbolic 'Cooper byte' promotional bs.

Most people familiar with this situation of the rail line from Amboy-Heisson south to Vancouver, speculate that Cooper probably got off at Vancouver when the train slowed at Vancouver.  A fact you fail to site is the fact that trains passing east of the Fazio property are usually traveling fast - too fast to board or jump from! That is a legitimate argument. So most people actually believe Cooper would have left the train when it slowed at Vancouver ... and Cooper might have walked the bridge to get across the Columbia to Portland. That bridge offers many safety portals for workers, Cooper could have used crossing the bridge. That is the scenario most people knowledgeable of this matter chose.

All I did was post Snowmman's previous 2008 post on this matter BECAUSE I thot people might like to see it! You jump to the conclusion I am expressing some kind of personal theory? And you pounce like Superman leaping tall buildings and all facts and logic in a single bound. Then it turns out your basic facts are even wrong! The very least you owe your loyal promotional audience is correct basic facts!

Pardon me for breathing!  :)  Pick on somebody your own size for a change - ELVIS!

 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2382 on: March 17, 2020, 04:17:35 PM »
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On your previous: 2) The railroad tracks do not travel near or behind the Fazio's property. For those who care to look, they will note that the tracks are on the other side of Lake River. No one is honestly arguing that Cooper swam across a river to get to the "island" that Tena Bar is on only to hike another 2,3,4 or 5 miles to Tena Bar, are they? Moreover, no one is honestly arguing that Cooper jumped off the train at the terminal in Vancouver then walked 7 miles north to Tena Bar, only to turn around and hike another 7 miles back to Vancouver, are they?

1. It is a 1.3 mile distance from the tracks to the water's edge at Tina Bar in 1971-1980!
2. Tina Bar is not an island! It is a beach on the Columbia River.
3. Swam the river? What river?  Lake River formerly called Vancouver Creek, sometimes dries up in the summer according to residents in the area. During those months there is nothing to swim across. In the wetter parts of the year the water levels are cyclical, during floods a raging torrent which drains quickly. Your socalled "river" is a "creek" during most of the year according to local residents. Lake River socalled, or Vancouver Creek is a creek! That is why it was called a "creek" for decades.
4. Vancouver Creek is not 2,3,4 or 5 miles to Tena Bar!  Your math is wrong. It is at most about 1.3 miles.
5. Your last point is too hyperbolic to even comment on . . .

Please get the facts right for a change. Stop all of the BLUSTER! And stop all of the misinformation and hyperbolic 'Cooper byte' bs.

Most people familiar with this situation of the rail line from Amboy-Heisson south to Vancouver, speculate that Cooper probably got off at Vancouver when the train slowed at Vancouver.  A fact you fail to site is the fact that trains passing east of the Fazio property are usually traveling fast - too fast to board or jump from! That is a legitimate argument. So most people actually believe Cooper would have left the train when it slowed at Vancouver ... and Cooper might have walked the bridge to get across the Columbia to Portland. That bridge offers many safety portals for workers, Cooper could have used crossing the bridge. That is the scenario most people knowledgeable of this matter chose.

All I did was post Snowmman's previous 2008 post on this matter BECAUSE. You jump to the conclusion I am expressing some kind of personal theory? And you pounce like Superman leaping tall buidings and all facts and logic in a single bound. Then it turns out your basic facts are even wrong! The very least you owe your loyal audience is correct basic facts!

Pardon me for breathing!  :)

Bravo GEORGER, you are actually attempting to debate a point, although you are arguing a point you cannot win.

First, I did not direct my post (#2361) to you personally. Where did I say, "hey GEORGER you're theory is full of crap" or anything like that?

Second, Lake River is not a creek. Lake River is a river. It is never a creek--especially in November. That is why there are dozens of permanent house boat homes on Lake River along with a marina. It is at least 200 feet across and in some spots 300 feet across. Now you may be referring to a branch of Lake River that leads into Salmon Creek which leads to the main Lake River. That said, I can overlook this error because it is you who are not familiar with the area.

Third, Tena Bar is indeed located on what is effectively an island. I did not say Tena Bar was an island (SEE BOLD TYPE BELOW) It is completely surrounded by water--Columbia River, Lake River and Vancouver Lake--25 miles around. If it were not for a 400-foot land bridge three miles south of the Fazio property near Vancouver Lake, Tena Bar would literally be on an island.

Fourth, the shortest distance possible from the railroad tracks to Tena Bar is 1.3 miles. That is why I worded my statement that he would have had to swim Lake River and walk 2, 3, 4, 5 miles etc. depending upon where he actually swam across Lake River.

Fifth, if you read my point #2 carefully you will see that I do refer to the notion of DBC jumping off in Vancouver and walking 7 miles up to Tena Bar. For your convenience point #2 follows:

2) The railroad tracks do not travel near or behind the Fazio's property. For those who care to look, they will note that the tracks are on the other side of Lake River. No one is honestly arguing that Cooper swam across a river to get to the "island" that Tena Bar is on only to hike another 2,3,4 or 5 miles to Tena Bar, are they? Moreover, no one is honestly arguing that Cooper jumped off the train at the terminal in Vancouver then walked 7 miles north to Tena Bar, only to turn around and hike another 7 miles back to Vancouver, are they?

You see GEORGER, when you challenge me you will always lose. That is because I know what I am talking about...even though I was a commentator on a TV show called High Stakes Hold'em, ran for public office, occasionally smoke a cigar, and have a DBC show premiering this summer.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2383 on: March 17, 2020, 04:37:02 PM »
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Third, Tena Bar is indeed located on what is effectively an island. I did not say Tena Bar was an island (SEE BOLD TYPE BELOW) It is completely surrounded by water--Columbia River, Lake River and Vancouver Lake--25 miles around. If it were not for a 400-foot land bridge three miles south of the Fazio property near Vancouver Lake, Tena Bar would literally be on an island.


Eric, You are absolute correct.  For all practical purposes, Tina Bar and the area surrounding it are on an island.  There is the Columbia River on the west side, Vancouver Lake and Lake River (which empties into the Columbia River) on the east and north sides, and the flushing channel on the south side.  The purpose of the flushing channel is to move water from the Columbia River into Vancouver Lake.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2384 on: March 18, 2020, 08:51:04 AM »
Here's a question worth pondering:

What was Cooper's Plan A?

After all, it seems apparent that Cooper had to improvise quite a bit and that his original plan called for jumping near Seattle. Therefore, if he had executed his plan flawlessly, what would that have looked like? More importantly, what does that tell us about him?

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