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Offline Chaucer

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6450 on: May 03, 2021, 04:05:16 PM »
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Cooper originally demanded for the plane to fly to Mexico City. NWO quickly determined that reaching Mexico City in the configuration Cooper was requesting would be impossible without refeuling.

During the hijacking, the cities of San Francisco, Yuma, and Phoenix arose as possible alternative destinations. In Tosaw's book, he includes the city of Los Angeles. We all know that eventually it was agreed that the plane would fly to Reno.

However, Tosaw indicates that it was Soderlind and the NWO who suggested those cities. Other places suggest that Cooper was the one who suggested those locations and the NWO kept telling him there wasn't enough fuel for those cities.

So, who suggested those alternate destinations? Soderlind and the NWO or Cooper himself? And was LA included on the official list or is that specific to Tosaw?

Tosaw was not on the plane talking to DB Cooper ! Read the crew interviews. The earliest known interest Tosaw showed in the Cooper case was after the money was found in 1980. And he started with a 'press release' in California. Few people even knew who he was. Some people who did know him thought this was humorous, and a bad omen, and they knew what might follow. Some FBI agents working the case thought Tosaw's press release was pure interference and they resented it deeply.

BTW: Tosaw is pronounced 'tow-saw'.  As in 'towing' a boat or heavy object. That comes from the people who knew and worked with him.
All of this may very well be true, but it doesn’t answer my question.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6451 on: May 03, 2021, 05:45:17 PM »
I've always called him Richard Two-Saw, and he never corrected me. Galen calls him "Two-Saw" as well. I've never heard anyone call him Tow-Saw.

Just saying.
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6452 on: May 03, 2021, 11:25:20 PM »
I think I answered my own question.

Upon review of the radio transcripts the sequence of events goes like this:

1. Cooper demands to fly to Mexico City
2. NWO says there isn’t enough fuel to make it there and they suggest San Francisco.
3. Cooper declines San Francisco and instead suggests Phoenix
4. NWO says Phoenix might be possible, but suggests Reno as a refueling point
5. No response from Cooper
6. NWO suggests Seattle to Reno followed by another stop in Yuma before continuing to Mexico City
7. Cooper agrees
 

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« Reply #6453 on: May 04, 2021, 02:55:37 AM »
Sounds about right.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6454 on: May 04, 2021, 05:36:58 PM »
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I've always called him Richard Two-Saw, and he never corrected me. Galen calls him "Two-Saw" as well. I've never heard anyone call him Tow-Saw.

Just saying.

ok. Guess agents and family are wrong, again! You and Galen trump everything else. I will let everyone know!   :nono: :rofl:

His secretary never corrected me when I used tow-saw. Agents who worked with him for years all say tow-saw. One person just says: 'oh! that bastard!'  :-\
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6455 on: May 04, 2021, 08:08:02 PM »
You may be correct, Georger.

Or not.

All I can say is what I know. Happy to revise my pronunciation if the family tells me differently. But guys who mock me, or try to shame me, have less impact.

Just saying.
 

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« Reply #6456 on: May 04, 2021, 11:46:12 PM »
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You may be correct, Georger.

Or not.

All I can say is what I know. Happy to revise my pronunciation if the family tells me differently. But guys who mock me, or try to shame me, have less impact.

Just saying.

No mocking in this! My family and the Tosaw family have been linked since the kids played football in western Iowa, in high school. We always called them the too-saws. My family has known the too-saws since before I was even born. My father and an uncle played football with Mike TWO-SAW. The rest is history. The subject of how they pronounce their name never came up until this Cooper-thing.

Its too bad Richard or Mike arent around to put these questions to, directly. Did Galen or you ever ask Richard how he pronounced his name? I never did. It didnt matter.  :-\   
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6457 on: May 05, 2021, 04:32:51 AM »
Sigh.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6458 on: May 29, 2021, 10:01:32 PM »


Great video recently posted of a 727 aft stairs being locked in the down position. One thing I noted was how stiff the air stairs appeared to be and not this loose type of springboard as some described. This makes the pressure bump felt by the crew very peculiar as I don’t see how stairs that stiff could move up and down enough to create that type of diving board like action. As you can see on this vide the guy is jumping up and down on the bottom step and it’s hardly moving.
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« Reply #6459 on: May 29, 2021, 10:32:19 PM »
Either the plane has been shutdown for more than 30 minutes or hydraulics are failing..
 

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« Reply #6460 on: May 29, 2021, 10:41:20 PM »
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Either the plane has been shutdown for more than 30 minutes or hydraulics are failing..

According to the new owners the aft stairs are in perfect working condition?
 

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« Reply #6461 on: May 29, 2021, 10:41:32 PM »
There’s clearly no “springboard action” here. There’s no way aft stairs like this could cause any oscillations or pressure bump.
 
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« Reply #6462 on: May 29, 2021, 10:45:57 PM »
They are not operating correctly in the video. the spring board action appears to be taken a little too far. they only go up and bounce a little coming back down..

Also, you have wind load on the stairs pushing them upward
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« Reply #6463 on: May 29, 2021, 10:51:19 PM »
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They are not operating correctly in the video. the spring board action appears to be taken a little too far. they only go up and bounce a little coming back down..

Also, you have wind load on the stairs pushing them upward
For there to be a pressure bump, there had to be rather significant bounce back. That doesn’t appear to be possible with those stairs.
 

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« Reply #6464 on: May 29, 2021, 10:56:44 PM »
Trying to test them on the ground isn't going to help any. wind loads are forceful, very forceful and damaging. we see this with Hurricanes. the video still capture the stairs almost closing even with the hydraulics pushing down.