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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6435 on: April 22, 2021, 05:23:06 AM »
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How specific were you with the request. the above info "flight recorder record" is reference to the FDR

My request was exactly as I quoted above. I agree that the phrase "flight recorder record" appears to refer to the FDR.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6436 on: April 22, 2021, 08:30:19 AM »
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Great!!!  If I understand the last of the two responses, the FBI will in fact release either a copy of the flight recorder record or the flight recorder log.  Do you know if this will consist of digital readouts of the FDR or a copy of the actual FDR foil?

I'm not sure the FBI was ever in control of the data surrounding the FDR. this was done by NWO. hopefully I'm wrong.
 

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« Reply #6437 on: April 23, 2021, 03:58:48 AM »
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If I understand the last of the two responses, the FBI will in fact release either a copy of the flight recorder record or the flight recorder log.  Do you know if this will consist of digital readouts of the FDR or a copy of the actual FDR foil?

At present, I have no way of knowing what the FBI will release. I have several FOIA requests which have received the same response (that "responsive documents" will be published and the FBI will notify me), but so far the FBI has not published any such documents or sent any notification.
 

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« Reply #6438 on: April 23, 2021, 04:34:37 AM »
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If I understand the last of the two responses, the FBI will in fact release either a copy of the flight recorder record or the flight recorder log.  Do you know if this will consist of digital readouts of the FDR or a copy of the actual FDR foil?

At present, I have no way of knowing what the FBI will release. I have several FOIA requests which have received the same response (that "responsive documents" will be published and the FBI will notify me), but so far the FBI has not published any such documents or sent any notification.

The last (2nd) response you posted says:  The second reply, dated 04.21.2021, is:
"Records responsive to your request will be made available in the FBI’s electronic FOIA Library (The
Vault) on the FBI’s public website, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login. You will be notified when releases are available."

Sounds like they are going to release 302s 'that respond to your request' in some form. That could be a report about the FDR readout conclusions.  It sounds like they are going to tailor the contents of the next Part Release to your request. ?   

Why dont you ask for the Q40/41 dna profiles ?  ;)
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6439 on: April 23, 2021, 09:47:04 AM »
Any information surrounding the flight path is a plus. sub files are listed on the document discussing the FDR. more than likely that's what they will release. one sub file states "course sub F" which might hold valuable information about the path.

I fear that anything related to actual documents with the foil from the FDR stayed with NWO. the FBI wouldn't know what they were looking at. they were interested in where and when Cooper jumped.
 

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« Reply #6440 on: April 23, 2021, 02:28:25 PM »
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Why dont you ask for the Q40/41 dna profiles ?  ;)

I did submit the following FOIA request on 05.16.2020:
"I refer to the FBI webpage You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login which states inter alia: "we lifted a DNA sample from Cooper’s tie in 2001". I request a copy of the DNA profile obtained from the above mentioned sample, including available results for the following DNA systems:
DNA-System
AM
D3S1358
D1S1656
D6S1043
D13S317
Penta
D16S539
D18S51
D2S1338
CSF1PO
Penta
TH01
vWA
D21S11
D7S820
D5S818
TPOX
D8S1179
D12S391
D19S433
FGA."

This request was denied on 06.19.2020 as follows:
"Subject: COOPER, D.B (NECK TIE DNA)
Pursuant to Title 42 U.S.C. § 14132, the FBI may disclose information regarding the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) under the following circumstances:
 Criminal justice agencies for law enforcement identification purposes;
 Judicial proceedings, if otherwise pursuant to applicable statutes or rules;
 Criminal defense purposes, to a defendant, who shall have access to the samples and analyses
performed in connection with the case in which the defendant is charged; or
 If personally identifiable information is removed, for a population statistics database, for identification research and protocol development purposes, or for quality control purposes.
Based on the information you provided your request for information does not meet the requirements listed above. Therefore, your request is being administratively closed."
 

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« Reply #6441 on: April 23, 2021, 02:34:18 PM »
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Why dont you ask for the Q40/41 dna profiles ?  ;)

I did submit the following FOIA request on 05.16.2020:
"I refer to the FBI webpage You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login which states inter alia: "we lifted a DNA sample from Cooper’s tie in 2001". I request a copy of the DNA profile obtained from the above mentioned sample, including available results for the following DNA systems:
DNA-System
AM
D3S1358
D1S1656
D6S1043
D13S317
Penta
D16S539
D18S51
D2S1338
CSF1PO
Penta
TH01
vWA
D21S11
D7S820
D5S818
TPOX
D8S1179
D12S391
D19S433
FGA."

This request was denied on 06.19.2020 as follows:
"Subject: COOPER, D.B (NECK TIE DNA)
Pursuant to Title 42 U.S.C. § 14132, the FBI may disclose information regarding the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) under the following circumstances:
 Criminal justice agencies for law enforcement identification purposes;
 Judicial proceedings, if otherwise pursuant to applicable statutes or rules;
 Criminal defense purposes, to a defendant, who shall have access to the samples and analyses
performed in connection with the case in which the defendant is charged; or
 If personally identifiable information is removed, for a population statistics database, for identification research and protocol development purposes, or for quality control purposes.
Based on the information you provided your request for information does not meet the requirements listed above. Therefore, your request is being administratively closed."

Interesting - thanks.  The webpage you give doesnt open for me ?   Page not found.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6442 on: April 23, 2021, 02:37:43 PM »
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[The webpage you give doesnt open for me

True: it's now You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
 
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« Reply #6443 on: April 23, 2021, 05:42:48 PM »
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Why dont you ask for the Q40/41 dna profiles ?  ;)

I did submit the following FOIA request on 05.16.2020:
"I refer to the FBI webpage You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login which states inter alia: "we lifted a DNA sample from Cooper’s tie in 2001". I request a copy of the DNA profile obtained from the above mentioned sample, including available results for the following DNA systems:
DNA-System
AM
D3S1358
D1S1656
D6S1043
D13S317
Penta
D16S539
D18S51
D2S1338
CSF1PO
Penta
TH01
vWA
D21S11
D7S820
D5S818
TPOX
D8S1179
D12S391
D19S433
FGA."

This request was denied on 06.19.2020 as follows:
"Subject: COOPER, D.B (NECK TIE DNA)
Pursuant to Title 42 U.S.C. § 14132, the FBI may disclose information regarding the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) under the following circumstances:
 Criminal justice agencies for law enforcement identification purposes;
 Judicial proceedings, if otherwise pursuant to applicable statutes or rules;
 Criminal defense purposes, to a defendant, who shall have access to the samples and analyses
performed in connection with the case in which the defendant is charged; or
 If personally identifiable information is removed, for a population statistics database, for identification research and protocol development purposes, or for quality control purposes.
Based on the information you provided your request for information does not meet the requirements listed above. Therefore, your request is being administratively closed."

Where did this list of loci come from and what does it mean?

available results for the following DNA systems ?  what does this mean ?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6444 on: April 24, 2021, 03:26:03 AM »
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Where did this list of loci come from and what does it mean? available results for the following DNA systems ?  what does this mean ?

From experience, I had learned that the FBI is more likely to respond positively to a highly specific request than to a generic one. I took the term "DNA systems" and the list of loci from a public website relating to DNA (but not relating to the NORJAK case), I don't remember where. As you can see, that didn't work.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6445 on: April 28, 2021, 04:57:44 PM »
Another 727 skydive video.



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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6446 on: April 28, 2021, 07:27:35 PM »
No stairs.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6447 on: April 29, 2021, 04:57:06 AM »
That swarm of skydivers coming in for their landing looked like a bunch of mosquitoes!

BTW, 377, what are the chances we're ever gonna see the video of those naked ladies skydiving in New Zealand?
 

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« Reply #6448 on: May 03, 2021, 03:37:41 PM »
Cooper originally demanded for the plane to fly to Mexico City. NWO quickly determined that reaching Mexico City in the configuration Cooper was requesting would be impossible without refeuling.

During the hijacking, the cities of San Francisco, Yuma, and Phoenix arose as possible alternative destinations. In Tosaw's book, he includes the city of Los Angeles. We all know that eventually it was agreed that the plane would fly to Reno.

However, Tosaw indicates that it was Soderlind and the NWO who suggested those cities. Other places suggest that Cooper was the one who suggested those locations and the NWO kept telling him there wasn't enough fuel for those cities.

So, who suggested those alternate destinations? Soderlind and the NWO or Cooper himself? And was LA included on the official list or is that specific to Tosaw?
 

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« Reply #6449 on: May 03, 2021, 03:56:16 PM »
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Cooper originally demanded for the plane to fly to Mexico City. NWO quickly determined that reaching Mexico City in the configuration Cooper was requesting would be impossible without refeuling.

During the hijacking, the cities of San Francisco, Yuma, and Phoenix arose as possible alternative destinations. In Tosaw's book, he includes the city of Los Angeles. We all know that eventually it was agreed that the plane would fly to Reno.

However, Tosaw indicates that it was Soderlind and the NWO who suggested those cities. Other places suggest that Cooper was the one who suggested those locations and the NWO kept telling him there wasn't enough fuel for those cities.

So, who suggested those alternate destinations? Soderlind and the NWO or Cooper himself? And was LA included on the official list or is that specific to Tosaw?

Tosaw was not on the plane talking to DB Cooper ! Read the crew interviews. The earliest known interest Tosaw showed in the Cooper case was after the money was found in 1980. And he started with a 'press release' in California. Few people even knew who he was. Some people who did know him thought this was humorous, and a bad omen, and they knew what might follow. Some FBI agents working the case thought Tosaw's press release was pure interference and they resented it deeply.

BTW: Tosaw is pronounced 'tow-saw'.  As in 'towing' a boat or heavy object. That comes from the people who knew and worked with him. 
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