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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on July 31, 2021, 03:50:16 PM »
Norman Hayden was an acrobatic pilot. That is why he had the type of chutes he had - he says ...

Original 2011 article on Hayden by Smith: Smith quotes Hayden:  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login 

"Also, there was a rectangular foam pad, covered in grayish-blue nylon that looked like a little pillow and was located in the middle part of the harness, as if it was padding to make the rig more comfortable for an acrobatic pilot to wear.
 
Norman says he is strictly a “precision acrobatic pilot,” and he’s very proud of his flying acumen.  Obviously, he has never needed a parachute.  Hence, the parachute was used strictly to maintain compliance with FAA acrobatic regulations . . . "

. . . see photos of Hayden's chutes ... Hayden agreed to RENT his chutes to the FBI ...


*Hmmm. Acrobatic pilot chute may have been used by acrobatic oscillations-bump hijacker ? Hmmmmm.  ;)  Acrobats unite!  Thats one helluva a coincidence? Was Cooper an acrobat and a former Olympian ? Maybe he knew an acrobatic chute when he saw one ?  :o
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by 377 on July 31, 2021, 03:28:46 PM »
Dudeman wrote: “ Also, now supposedly Cooper is opening the backpack bailout rigs? I extremely doubt that. Unless he is now a rigger, it would be near impossible for him to get them usably closed again, what with the spring loaded pilot chute and all. Especially if they have the metal cones, rather than cloth closing loops, for the ripcord pins to go into.”

True. The military emergency rigs were packed very tightly. You’d likely need rigger tools to repack them. Paddles, flap pullers etc. I tried repacking my stock military NB 8 by hand. It was a no go. I finally succeeded by using parachute cord to pull the flap grommets over the cones on the opposing flap but it wasn’t easy. When military emergency rigs were adopted for sport parachuting, fabric extensions were sewn
into the closing flaps (which were cut to allow the insertion of extensions) to allow easier packing and to accommodate the volume increase that resulted from adding a deployment sleeve to slow down canopy openings.

BTW it’s a small point but there is no NB6 canopy. NB6 refers to the harness and container only. The canopy used by the Navy in NB6 rigs was the Navy 26 ft diameter conical. My life was saved by a 26 ft Navy conical. It was packed in my chest reserve. I cut away from a bad main C9 canopy malfunction and was ECSTATIC when when my dirt cheap Navy conical deployed with no issues. At that point I had about ten seconds of life remaining but for that sweet sweet conical. It’s obsolete now but I still have it and keep it in airworthy condition. Can you “respect” an inanimate object? I do.

377
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DB Cooper / Re: CooperCon 2021
« Last post by 377 on July 31, 2021, 03:08:56 PM »
“Somehow the navy manages to keep all of these objects right in their crosshairs, regardless of how "unbelievably fast" they're moving.”

Good point. I remain VERY skeptical about the Navy videos.

People strain to link events. They make biased mistakes. Noise and clutter on radar screens become confirmed hits on visually sighted UFOs.

I saw concrete examples of this when early F14 radars produced anomalies that looked like target echos. There were no real targets being painted. Yet some pilots linked these internally generated screen pips to visual sightings.

I’ve done the same thing on marine radars. Bad weather, thick fog, lots of sea clutter on the screen. I’m looking for a buoy echo and I think I know where it should be. I “see” it on the screen but it’s not really the buoy. I’m still too far away to get a reflection. But I turn seemingly stationary sea clutter pips
into the buoy echo I’m expecting to see.

I think UFO sightings teach us a lot about how humans perceive and process visual info. I have yet to see any credible evidence that aliens are visiting Earth.

377


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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Bruce A. Smith on July 31, 2021, 03:35:42 AM »
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Bruce, the answer to your question about Boeing Flight Services has already been answered many times by the FBI and Hayden.  NWA personnel at SEATAC (probably Al Lee, NWA Chief Pilot at SEATAC) got in touch with Boeing Flight Services for assistance in locating parachutes.  They in turn got in touch with Hayden and he sent them his two backpacks by taxi.  Boeing Flight Services then got them to the NWA people at SEATAC by one means or another.


Robert, your statements are grossly in error, and your speculations on who "probably" contact whom is not helpful.

1. Where in the documents does Hayden say he was contacted by Boeing Flight Services? I have never seen anything that suggests that occurrence specifically.

2. Rather, Hayden told me that he was contacted by Barry Halstad of Pacific Aviation and George Harrison, the Chief of Flight ops for Northwest Orient. Where has Hayden said anything different, and to whom did he say it?

3. The FBI's document from the wee hours of 11. 25. 71, (164 - 81 - 83), which is the first document describing the back chutes, cites Boeing Flight Services as participating in the procurement of the parachutes, but has a hand-written correction in the upper-righthand corner that says the listed phone number is actually for Pacific Aviation and not BFS. Nevertheless, BFS continues to be cited in FBI documents and Norjack investigators such as you. The question I ask is why? What did BFS do and who did it?

4. Al Lee, again, was the Chief of Ground Ops for Northwest Orient at Sea-Tac. Why do you continue to describe him as Chief of Flight Operations?
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Robert99 on July 31, 2021, 02:06:58 AM »
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           As per Hayden's aircraft... Wasn't there mention of this in Bruce's book? I'll have to go back and look.

I don't remember seeing a mention of Hayden's aircraft type anywhere except that I think someone mentions that it was an aerobatic plane.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Robert99 on July 31, 2021, 02:03:55 AM »
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          Is there any difference in the rigging cards of a chute packed by the military vs. the rigging card of a similar chute packed by  a civilian rigger? (other than name of rigger)

I actually don't remember.  I haven't seen enough military parachutes cards except those that were military surplus.  Usually, the parachutes for military pilots of high-performance aircraft, especially USAF types, are maintained out of the aircraft along with their other flight gear by dedicated ground personnel who are responsible for them.  In some military aircraft, the pilots wear an integrated torso harness and the parachute and survival gear remain in the ejection seat except for servicing.  Or to put it another way, some military pilots don't usually get involved in checking packing data.   
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by haggarknew on July 31, 2021, 01:59:27 AM »
           As per Hayden's aircraft... Wasn't there mention of this in Bruce's book? I'll have to go back and look.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by haggarknew on July 31, 2021, 01:40:40 AM »
          Is there any difference in the rigging cards of a chute packed by the military vs. the rigging card of a similar chute packed by  a civilian rigger? (other than name of rigger)
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Robert99 on July 31, 2021, 12:47:23 AM »
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Eric, do you know what kind of aircraft Hayden owned?

I do not know what type of plane he purchased. Apparently he needed the two rigs though.

Hayden apparently had a two-place aerobatic aircraft that used backpack parachutes.  Some aerobatic aircraft needed to use seat pack parachutes.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by EU on July 31, 2021, 12:34:28 AM »
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Eric, do you know what kind of aircraft Hayden owned?

I do not know what type of plane he purchased. Apparently he needed the two rigs though.
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