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Here is a description of a poi.
How close do you think he is to Cooper.

Did he have the lower protruding lip that Cooper had, and can he be linked to the materials/elements found on the tie?

If the answer to either is "no", then I'd say he isn't the guy.

His lower lip protrudes as pointed out in my original post.
However, we have no idea to the extent of this description that was supposedly given by Tina, I believe it was.

As for the Tie.
If you use the particles on the tie as a sole reason for eliminating a possible poi, imo you are doing a disservice to this Cooper investigation.
This is because you have absolutely zero evidence that this was Cooper's personal use tie. You have nothing to tie it to Cooper's personal life. He could have gotten it from anywhere or anyone and there's a chance the tie on the plane wasn't even the one he was wearing. Nobody saw him take it off, nobody noticed he didn't have it on, and nobody saw him put it on the seat.
Could it be his, possibly. Should the particles be followed up as they have been, absolutely yes.
Could it lead to the real Cooper, yes it possibly could.

But if you eliminate all other possible poi's because of these particles, then it would be no different than the tunnel vision law enforcement gets when an innocent person is convicted of a crime they had no part in.

And if I am correct on my assessment of Cooper's personality trait, he would have been incapable of leaving his tie behind if it was his personal use for work tie.

Nothing would make me happier than for my assessment to be wrong and these particles do lead to the real Cooper and it can be definitively proven beyond any doubt.
But for that to happen, one of the smoking guns will have to emerge.

Jmo.

What about the fact that Richard McCoys family said, "thats Richards tie, where did you get it?" and the tie clip also?  I know its not proof.  But its another piece of a long list of evidence.  So many are so fast to rule out the guy that in my opinion is the nest candidate of the known candidates.  Of course there could be someone else that is Cooper.  I do not rule that out. But they seemed very confident it was his tie.?

There is an fbi 302 posted that states Mccoy had a noticeable lisp/speech impediment.
Tina stated that Cooper had no noticeable accent and I'm sure she would have noticed a noticeable lisp/speech impediment.
That alone should be enough to eliminate Mccoy. It does for me, besides his photo was shown to everyone right after he was arrested and they all said no, he was definitely not Cooper.

As for what his family said about the tie.
The tie was such a generic type there would be no way to definitively say it was his unless they had his name on it.
They also could be mistaken about the tie clip in such an emotional setting.

But let's go with a hypothetical that the tie found on the plane was possibly McCoy's.
One needs to open up their mind to some creativeness here.

The main ingredient is Mccoy is NOT Cooper:
1) How can the tie be McCoy's, but Mccoy definitely isn't Cooper.
2) Also interesting are the Raleigh cigarettes Cooper smoked and Mccoy was married in Raleigh.
3) Also interesting that Cooper used a 'bomb' with what looked like dynamite sticks and Mccoy was a demolitions guy in the military.

If the tie was actually McCoy's, (and im not saying it was) there is one alternative to Mccoy not being Cooper and that is at one point prior to Norjack, Mccoy and Cooper somehow knew each other.
So Cooper smokes enough Raleigh's that they are obvious evidence, uses a 'bomb' and leaves the tie with that particular tie clip on it, all as signs to alert Mccoy that he (Cooper) has gone ahead and done this hijacking, because they have agreed they will never be able to be seen together afterwards if one of them ever went ahead with it.

I'm not suggesting this actually happened, or am I, lol.
But you just never know. It would explain why McCoy's copycat hijacking was so very close to Cooper's hijacking without Mccoy being Cooper.

Be a great angle to a new Cooper movie though.

Jmo

well nobody can accuse you of being boring.  Its not enough for me, anything that come out of the mouth of those two stewardess's is not enough.  And he may have wore a disguise. The Reno FBI messed things up. They  could have lifted some prints and they lost the damn cigarettes which is just stupid. Now do you do that?  Oops I dropped them on the  way back?  Seriously?  I realize they did not know how important DBA evidence was in 1971, but anything from that flight had value if not simply for suevenir junkies if you really need some excuse to keep them.  I am not saying Richard was Cooper. But I cannot rule him out after that show Mr Gryder put out.  Have you seen it?  Sure i ask myself, "where is part 2 Dan?"  Lets get going fella. You and that tattoed criminal son of his. The daughter to me has more credibility than him but as I have been often reminded, she was a young child in 1971.  I would like to see both undergo a lie detector test.  Seriously.  And I also would like to see Tina Mucklow listen to the voices of all the known suspects randomly, with good amount of time in between and see if any bells go off.  Voice recognition. What the hell is wrong with these cops? 

So,  I guess Queen Elizabeth II died.

As an Irish Catholic American and strong Irish Republican, I don’t give a shit.

To steal a post from Twitter:

I only wish the people she colonized and oppressed in Ireland, Africa, and South Asia had the opportunity to die as she did: in a warm bed in a beautiful home surrounded by her family.

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Here is a description of a poi.
How close do you think he is to Cooper.

Did he have the lower protruding lip that Cooper had, and can he be linked to the materials/elements found on the tie?

If the answer to either is "no", then I'd say he isn't the guy.

His lower lip protrudes as pointed out in my original post.
However, we have no idea to the extent of this description that was supposedly given by Tina, I believe it was.

As for the Tie.
If you use the particles on the tie as a sole reason for eliminating a possible poi, imo you are doing a disservice to this Cooper investigation.
This is because you have absolutely zero evidence that this was Cooper's personal use tie. You have nothing to tie it to Cooper's personal life. He could have gotten it from anywhere or anyone and there's a chance the tie on the plane wasn't even the one he was wearing. Nobody saw him take it off, nobody noticed he didn't have it on, and nobody saw him put it on the seat.
Could it be his, possibly. Should the particles be followed up as they have been, absolutely yes.
Could it lead to the real Cooper, yes it possibly could.

But if you eliminate all other possible poi's because of these particles, then it would be no different than the tunnel vision law enforcement gets when an innocent person is convicted of a crime they had no part in.

And if I am correct on my assessment of Cooper's personality trait, he would have been incapable of leaving his tie behind if it was his personal use for work tie.

Nothing would make me happier than for my assessment to be wrong and these particles do lead to the real Cooper and it can be definitively proven beyond any doubt.
But for that to happen, one of the smoking guns will have to emerge.

Jmo.

What about the fact that Richard McCoys family said, "thats Richards tie, where did you get it?" and the tie clip also?  I know its not proof.  But its another piece of a long list of evidence.  So many are so fast to rule out the guy that in my opinion is the nest candidate of the known candidates.  Of course there could be someone else that is Cooper.  I do not rule that out. But they seemed very confident it was his tie.?

There is an fbi 302 posted that states Mccoy had a noticeable lisp/speech impediment.
Tina stated that Cooper had no noticeable accent and I'm sure she would have noticed a noticeable lisp/speech impediment.
That alone should be enough to eliminate Mccoy. It does for me, besides his photo was shown to everyone right after he was arrested and they all said no, he was definitely not Cooper.

As for what his family said about the tie.
The tie was such a generic type there would be no way to definitively say it was his unless they had his name on it.
They also could be mistaken about the tie clip in such an emotional setting.

But let's go with a hypothetical that the tie found on the plane was possibly McCoy's.
One needs to open up their mind to some creativeness here.

The main ingredient is Mccoy is NOT Cooper:
1) How can the tie be McCoy's, but Mccoy definitely isn't Cooper.
2) Also interesting are the Raleigh cigarettes Cooper smoked and Mccoy was married in Raleigh.
3) Also interesting that Cooper used a 'bomb' with what looked like dynamite sticks and Mccoy was a demolitions guy in the military.

If the tie was actually McCoy's, (and im not saying it was) there is one alternative to Mccoy not being Cooper and that is at one point prior to Norjack, Mccoy and Cooper somehow knew each other.
So Cooper smokes enough Raleigh's that they are obvious evidence, uses a 'bomb' and leaves the tie with that particular tie clip on it, all as signs to alert Mccoy that he (Cooper) has gone ahead and done this hijacking, because they have agreed they will never be able to be seen together afterwards if one of them ever went ahead with it.

I'm not suggesting this actually happened, or am I, lol.
But you just never know. It would explain why McCoy's copycat hijacking was so very close to Cooper's hijacking without Mccoy being Cooper.

Be a great angle to a new Cooper movie though.

Jmo

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Brave post. But I won’t give you any heat for your musical preferences.
377

Thanks 377, always the gentlemen. We could use more of that in the Vortex. I'm not saying I'm a huge Monkees fan, just less of a Beatles fan, though they do have a few tunes I like. I had no idea about Steven Stills! I don't think that would have lasted long had he been accepted in.

On a side note, my 20 year old daughter asked me a couple of nights ago who I thought was the greatest band ever. My answer: The Rolling Stones. Another band that I'm not a huge fan of, but they're ok. But that was my unbiased answer. My biased answere would have been AC/DC.

Interesting you would say AC/DC as in 1988 my Daughter was dating Stevie Young who at the time was filling in for Malcolm who was ill due to alcohol abuse. My wife and I went to a concert and were invited down to meet the Band.
Bryan Johnson sat down with my wife and I and shared a beer. Great friendly guy as was the entire group. Angus mooning the crowd was a regular part of the act. It’s not
Y type of music but it was a happening to remember. I’m more JohnnyMathis type !