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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by EU on Today at 04:46:52 PM »
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The FBI stated that they believed the placard was from 305

Believed is not confirmed...no, not all 727-100 aircraft had a separate control or emergency function. zero, were on the 200 series. this is what causes the problem.

1) the small panel on the wall has instructions on the front.
2) the larger placard could of been supplied to go above the panel giving further instructions.
3) the panel can not been seen in the stairwell. I know you use the poor quality to help support the possibility of it being obscured but I don't see it along with others.
4) a placard can be seen in the stairwell even with the poor quality photo. why didn't that one come off?

I  fully understand exactly where the placard goes. it's not relevant if it doesn't belong on 305. how it got on the ground and found would become the real mystery. I suggest calling Boeing back and asking specific questions about the placard and it's reason.

It does not appear that there is a two-hole emergency release panel on the 305 jet next to the main access door based upon the poor quality screenshot that I've seen. That said, I wouldn't bet my life on it because I do see a dark splotch or shadow where I would expect to see the two holes.

The thing to consider is that the Hicks' placard seems to reference a somewhat different version of the emergency release system. Therefore, do we really know what we're dealing with here? Could the panel have been located on the port side of the jet stairway as is the exterior emergency release door on 727s?

All I know is that it should take an FBI agent a grand total of 3 seconds to determine whether 305 had an emergency release panel with a red handle in it. If it didn't then the placard simply could not have come from 305. That said, the FBI didn't come to that conclusion. Why? Did it, perhaps, actually have and emergency release panel with a red handle even though it's not obvious to us?
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by Chaucer on Today at 04:25:49 PM »
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The FBI stated that they believed the placard was from 305

Believed is not confirmed...no, not all 727-100 aircraft had a separate control or emergency function. zero, were on the 200 series. this is what causes the problem.

1) the small panel on the wall has instructions on the front.
2) the larger placard could of been supplied to go above the panel giving further instructions.
3) the panel can not been seen in the stairwell. I know you use the poor quality to help support the possibility of it being obscured but I don't see it along with others.
4) a placard can be seen in the stairwell even with the poor quality photo. why didn't that one come off?

I  fully understand exactly where the placard goes. it's not relevant if it doesn't belong on 305. how it got on the ground and found would become the real mystery. I suggest calling Boeing back and asking specific questions about the placard and it's reason.
Shutter,
Let's say for the sake of argument that the Hicks placard WAS from 305. It's location would put it virtually underneath V-23. While there have been suggestions since that the wind would have carried it miles eastward, I've seen no evidence of this. Furthermore, we don't know what mechanisms would have acted on the placard in the years between 1971 and its discovery. It could have ended up in a tree and then blown westward, no? It could have gotten caught up in updrafts or downdrafts blowing in off the Cascades. My point is that even if the placard was from 305, it can't be used as evidence of a western flight path. Would you agree or disagree?
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by Shutter on Today at 04:21:00 PM »
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The FBI stated that they believed the placard was from 305

Believed is not confirmed...no, not all 727-100 aircraft had a separate control or emergency function. zero, were on the 200 series. this is what causes the problem.

1) the small panel on the wall has instructions on the front.
2) the larger placard could of been supplied to go above the panel giving further instructions.
3) the panel can not been seen in the stairwell. I know you use the poor quality to help support the possibility of it being obscured but I don't see it along with others.
4) a placard can be seen in the stairwell even with the poor quality photo. why didn't that one come off?

I  fully understand exactly where the placard goes. it's not relevant if it doesn't belong on 305. how it got on the ground and found would become the real mystery. I suggest calling Boeing back and asking specific questions about the placard and it's reason.
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by Chaucer on Today at 04:15:38 PM »
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My mom has received both shots in the last month. paramedics are volunteering there time in our area giving the shots. haven't looked to see when I will be able to become Mr. Kevlar  :rofl:
Hey, Shutter, I know you are fellow South Florida man. Not sure if you know but Publix is offering the vaccine to anyone who says they are high risk. You don't need a doctor's note. It's all honor system.

Luckily, I don't have to lie about being high risk, but take that info for what it's worth...
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by Chaucer on Today at 04:13:10 PM »
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People are free to believe what they want to believe or not believe. That alone should not be an invitation to be a dick or jump someone's shit. It really gets very old, especially from those who haven't contributed a damn thing to the investigation.

I've stated that I believe the Western Flight Path is accurate. Moreover, I point to what I consider evidence supporting this belief:

1) The placard: Of course I realize some are now arguing that the placard is from some other 727. That said, I'm still having a very hard time believing that the FBI attributed the placard--which references a red handle--to 305 if 305 doesn't have a red handle. Not mention all of the other problems explaining how an interior placard ended up outside.

2) The fiberglass skirt: We know that a large piece of a Boeing 727 from atop the rear airstairs door was found in the woods and verified by Boeing's 727 section. We also know that a similarly sized piece went missing off of 305 from atop the rear airstairs door. We know the FBI in 1975 said there was not a large piece missing from 305. We know this is incorrect.

3) The money find: We know where the money was found. We know where the FBI search area was. We know that they are 20 miles apart as the crow flies. And we know that the Western Flight Path not only flies within a couple thousand feet of where the money was found, but we also know that 305 flying along the Western Flight Path would have passed Tena Bar within approximately 120 seconds of DBC's jump time.

This is all very compelling to me. If others choose to see it differently, so be it.

Cheers!
No one is "jumping in anyone's shit". No one is "being a dick". I'm challenging your assertions. In response, you are the one who began name-calling.

Again, the three pieces of evidence that you just used to support your conclusions are flimsy at best and contradictory at worst. Meanwhile, the central flight path has mountains of documented, official evidence from the FBI and USAF.

Yes, you have every right to hold whatever opinion you want, but the amount of work someone has or has not put into the case is not proportional to the accuracy of their claims.

Saying your conclusions are wrong is not "being a dick" or "jumping in someone's shit", it's how collaborative research is conducted.

Meanwhile...I'm busying googling this Zodiac guy...who knew?  :rofl:
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by DBfan57 on Today at 04:11:17 PM »
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Do you believe the recent story by the family about how they got off the island?  sounds plausible..

I doubt anything would of happened to them if they were caught in the last 20 years. the FBI is one thing and the courts are another. I think they would walk out of the courtroom free.

I would hope so but I do think its pretty late in the game for them to be still alive?  They did not shoot the letter down so they are at least considering it could have been from Clarence Anglin.  If he was terminal, it may be too late?  The FBI only needs to say, we grant immunity if you are by some chance alive.  And bring DB Cooper with you while your at it.  I really cant see 3 men in as good a shape as they were all drowning.  That swim has been made many times.  Its do able and if your freedom depends on it, hell I might just be able to get to the other shore.  I believe they made it.
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by EU on Today at 04:04:07 PM »
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1) The placard: Of course I realize some are now arguing that the placard is from some other 727. That said, I'm still having a very hard time believing that the FBI attributed the placard--which references a red handle--to 305 if 305 doesn't have a red handle. Not mention all of the other problems explaining how an interior placard ended up outside.

I'm not sure if any believes it's from another jet as much as it might not be from 305. it's not just the handle. it appears to not have the emergency function (305) there is no lock wire required with the normal stair function. if it didn't have this, then why would the placard be on the aircraft? these are very concerning issues. no other placards came off with pressure changes. it doesn't make sense or add up. the FBI hasn't a clue about it. they go by what is told to them. had Northwest confirmed it was from 305 we would have the answer.

no 302's reference the placard missing. even days later they pulled they pulled the stairwell panels off to see if Cooper could of hid behind them..

Has it been confirmed that 305 did not have an emergency release mechanism? If it has then there would not be a red handle anywhere on the jet. Yet the placard references a red handle. The FBI stated that they believed the placard was from 305--this after not revealing the placard to the public for months.

Remember, I contacted the placard supplier and they verified that this placard was affixed to the interior of the back airstairs cone area. Moreover, the placard is not perforated with small holes as is typical for exterior placards. Plus the placard was in reasonably good shape and not worn like other exterior placards.

Finally, if a jet does not have an interior emergency release mechanism, will it have an exterior emergency release mechanism?
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Shutter on Today at 03:53:39 PM »
Do you believe the recent story by the family about how they got off the island?  sounds plausible..

I doubt anything would of happened to them if they were caught in the last 20 years. the FBI is one thing and the courts are another. I think they would walk out of the courtroom free.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by DBfan57 on Today at 03:52:30 PM »
The chip on the FBI shoulders?  Don't you wonder why they would not just grant immunity for the Alcatraz escapees to come forward now if they are alive?  If that letter was really from Clarence Anglin, saying he had terminal illness and was the  last survivor, it would only make sense for the arrogant FBI to give full immunity now.  But no. They are hell bent.  Chances are Frank Morris and John Anglin are now deceased. Hell, it was 1962.  9 years before Cooper.  But they never would grant immunity.  Even if it meant learning the truth.  Morons
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by Shutter on Today at 03:48:13 PM »
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1) The placard: Of course I realize some are now arguing that the placard is from some other 727. That said, I'm still having a very hard time believing that the FBI attributed the placard--which references a red handle--to 305 if 305 doesn't have a red handle. Not mention all of the other problems explaining how an interior placard ended up outside.

I'm not sure if any believes it's from another jet as much as it might not be from 305. it's not just the handle. it appears to not have the emergency function (305) there is no lock wire required with the normal stair function. if it didn't have this, then why would the placard be on the aircraft? these are very concerning issues. no other placards came off with pressure changes. it doesn't make sense or add up. the FBI hasn't a clue about it. they go by what is told to them. had Northwest confirmed it was from 305 we would have the answer.

no 302's reference the placard missing. even days later they pulled they pulled the stairwell panels off to see if Cooper could of hid behind them..actually, they might of been told it takes two people to remove the panels vs taking them out..will read the 302 again.
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