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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3630 on: January 09, 2018, 08:41:10 PM »
sorry, but I still can't buy into this..most of you guys believe Cooper was very smart, but don't feel he would know the money would be very hard to trace if he survived and spent it? then when all is clear he decides to bury some money so he can enjoy his life?

why not just get into counterfeiting and skip the hijacking?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3631 on: January 09, 2018, 08:49:30 PM »
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sorry, but I still can't buy into this..most of you guys believe Cooper was very smart, but don't feel he would know the money would be very hard to trace if he survived and spent it? then when all is clear he decides to bury some money so he can enjoy his life?

why not just get into counterfeiting and skip the hijacking?

This wasn't counterfeiting. It was only possibly "Altering Currency," which is also known as "poor man's counterfeiting." He may have been familiar with it because of his advanced age - he'd have been born in the 1910's or 20's, the back end of the practice's peak.  Older than all of the agents at Tena Bar.  I don't believe he came back to bury money years later - Cook does, saying so in that clip. I simply referenced Scoles' observation that the money appeared to have been trimmed, which I do agree with, and posted the clip to back up my quote. I think it's more likely the money was buried in November of '71.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3632 on: January 09, 2018, 08:59:24 PM »
buried under the dredge layer?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3633 on: January 09, 2018, 09:10:41 PM »
This wasn't counterfeiting....this was a poor man's counterfeiting?

altering bills is counterfeiting, and you deny and then verify it?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3634 on: January 09, 2018, 09:19:44 PM »
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buried under the dredge layer?

From CitizenSleuths.com:

"Conclusions

The preeminent theory on how the money was buried on Tena Bar centers around the dredging operation in 1974. Detailed analysis through multiple aspects of this investigation was able to discount the dredging operation as the transport mechanism for the bundles. This then calls into question other theories outlined elsewhere in this research that depend on the dredging scenario.  This research did not, however, uncover a better explanation for how the money ended up on Tena Bar."
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3635 on: January 09, 2018, 09:23:47 PM »
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buried under the dredge layer?

From CitizenSleuths.com:

"Conclusions

The preeminent theory on how the money was buried on Tena Bar centers around the dredging operation in 1974. Detailed analysis through multiple aspects of this investigation was able to discount the dredging operation as the transport mechanism for the bundles. This then calls into question other theories outlined elsewhere in this research that depend on the dredging scenario.  This research did not, however, uncover a better explanation for how the money ended up on Tena Bar."

The money was found above the 1974 Dredge layer... So that dredge operation is discounted and the money likely deposited after 1974.

But, after 1974 there were other dredge operations nearby and many other speculative scenarios.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3636 on: January 09, 2018, 09:24:41 PM »
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buried under the dredge layer?

From CitizenSleuths.com:

"Conclusions

The preeminent theory on how the money was buried on Tena Bar centers around the dredging operation in 1974. Detailed analysis through multiple aspects of this investigation was able to discount the dredging operation as the transport mechanism for the bundles. This then calls into question other theories outlined elsewhere in this research that depend on the dredging scenario.  This research did not, however, uncover a better explanation for how the money ended up on Tena Bar."

Yes, but Palmer identified the dredge layer...this is hard to beat since artifacts were found at different levels..you are implying it got above this layer from 71, to 74?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3637 on: January 09, 2018, 09:33:23 PM »
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This wasn't counterfeiting....this was a poor man's counterfeiting?

altering bills is counterfeiting, and you deny and then verify it?

Objection, your honor.

My understanding so far is that "Counterfeiting" generally refers to the practice of manufaturing notes while "Altering Currency" refers to the practice of changing an amount on an already existing banknote or document. It's the reason we all put that little squiggly line on our checks, to protect against someone adding value to the check. And if I'm not mistaken, depending on where you commit the crime, it's a different penalty.

Either way, this practice is usually not referred to as counterfeiting, but rather "raising notes." Not denying anything. A counterfeiting operation, as previously mentioned, would be an ongoing thing and would not likely take place on a riverside beach.

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3638 on: January 09, 2018, 09:47:36 PM »
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buried under the dredge layer?

From CitizenSleuths.com:

"Conclusions

The preeminent theory on how the money was buried on Tena Bar centers around the dredging operation in 1974. Detailed analysis through multiple aspects of this investigation was able to discount the dredging operation as the transport mechanism for the bundles. This then calls into question other theories outlined elsewhere in this research that depend on the dredging scenario.  This research did not, however, uncover a better explanation for how the money ended up on Tena Bar."

The money was found above the 1974 Dredge layer... So that dredge operation is discounted and the money likely deposited after 1974.

But, after 1974 there were other dredge operations nearby and many other speculative scenarios.

Hey, Flyjack.

The source I'm using is the Citizen Sleuths' website, but I sincerely appreciate additional sources if you have them. Here's what I have:

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"The information collected by the FBI, combined with the known positions of the dredge pipes, suggests that the money find was not within the area covered by the dredging material."

This means that the money was found not under the dredge, not above the dredge, but away from the dredge material altogether.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3639 on: January 09, 2018, 09:47:51 PM »
putting a 20 dollar corner on a one dollar bill would be trying to pass off a fake bill...I guess it could be both....technically, it would be a fake/counterfeit bill, but could suggest altering...counterfeiting is an alternate to real money...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3640 on: January 09, 2018, 09:49:16 PM »
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putting a 20 dollar corner on a one dollar bill would be trying to pass off a fake bill...I guess it could be both....technically, it would be a fake/counterfeit bill, but could suggest altering...counterfeiting is an alternate to real money...

Cool. Let's just say "phony bill" for the sake of the discussion then.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3641 on: January 09, 2018, 09:55:06 PM »
I emailed Tom Kaye about this...I don't want to post the reply but he doesn't agree with any of this..I suggest you contact him, or I can email him to stop into the forum...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3642 on: January 09, 2018, 10:15:14 PM »
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I emailed Tom Kaye about this...I don't want to post the reply but he doesn't agree with any of this..I suggest you contact him, or I can email him to stop into the forum...

I'm fine with that. I emailed him and asked if he wanted to read this theory before I posted it, and didn't hear back. Tom's a great guy, but I doubt he's interested in this. That'd be great if he could take a few cracks at this. I'd rather have this thing tested better before I even think of calling someone at the Secret Service.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3643 on: January 09, 2018, 10:23:20 PM »
Tom's always interested in the case and new evidence.

It just doesn't make sense to do something like this..I'm a firm believer that this case if ever solved will be simple and to the point type of explanation minus all the bells and whistles added over the years.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3644 on: January 09, 2018, 10:26:44 PM »
I think this case is similar to trying to figure out an invention that will make you millions. you rack the brain thinking, and turn on the TV and see a new product, smack your forehead saying why didn't I think of that, it's so simple... O0
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