so many things lead to confusion about the money find, and so many problems with what really occurred..

1) how much material was spread, and how far was the material spread..
2) Fazio claims 50 yards north and south..
3) no dredge layer should be found where the money was..
4) Palmer shows a dredge line south of where the money was found and past the Fazio claim?
5) Tom Kaye says Palmer misidentified the layer that was part of Tbar
6) small pieces of money found as deep as 3 feet...
7) many shoot the dredge down based on the layers found & the pump destroying the bills
8- the rubber bands were intact after 9 months in the sand. Tom stated less than a year on the bands.
9) severe erosion on tbar but dredge layer found deep 6 years later...

This is just a portion of the problems..we seem to lack any common ground here....

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Tom Kaye doesn't agree with this either...

Of course he doesnt - Tom is a scientist - I talked to Tom about this over the weekend also, after talking to Scoles.

I think Galen Cook and Scoles just joined the ranks of GreyCop, Blevins, and Bob Knoss!

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Tom Kaye doesn't agree with this either...

Um, look, I don't agree with ANY of the theories yet, but I haven't actually yet seen the science you guys are talking about. I'm seeing a lot of logical fallacies on all sides, in fact (almost inevitable in a case with relatively little hard evidence), and a great deal of dependence on argument from authority.  I know the science has been talked about at great length on other threads/forums, but it would take hundreds of hours to read them all, and I have both a job and a marriage (if I could turn back time 10 years I'd have hopped on the Cooper forums earlier. But if I could do that, I could also find Cooper). I want to see all the theoretical explanations for how the bills came to look that way and where appropriate see them taken apart - logically. I respect ALL of the people I've met so far on this forum, and though I know it can be frustrating to longtime DBC students to have to reinvent the wheel for newbies and see them constantly commit the "hasty generalization"  fallacy in particular, it can also be frustrating for newbies (not myself, particularly, I have no particular theories of my own yet, at least on the cash) to have theories shot down with ad hominems and straw men  . Just the facts, gentlemen, please. And the odd joke. Peace out, all, and have a good night.   

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Here is a cut bill (bottom)  vs uncut Cooper bill (top).

The evidence of fibre cutting is obvious even to an honest open minded amateur.

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Great video, Un-Sherlock. Thank you. I hadn't seen it before.

The money find at T-Bar seems to be taking a very strange and dramatic turn here. Increasingly, people are realizing that the money has been impacted by more than natural degradation, bacterial action, abrasion, etc.. The bills are more "weathered" than what others have been able to reproduce in controlled experiments in the wild.

I find it difficult to accept that "transport-induced abrasion" trimmed every single corner and 100% of the perimeter of every twenty but left the rubber bands intact. Yes, it's possible, I suppose, but it sure seems strange. This issue is bigger than whether Raised Bills were created or not. They may have been trimmed for counterfieting - or not - and if the latter then some other agenda or process is at work.

Remember, the packets of bills that Tom Kaye floated in the river "fanned-out" as they traveled downstream. So for transport-induced abrasion to do its job the bills have to be held together somehow. But then, whatever is holding them together, such as a money satchel, wouldn't that provide protection from the abrasion? Further, if the abrasion tore-up the bag and the edges and corners, how did it leave the rubber bands?

Further, we have the report from Galen that he has spoken to the two brothers who say that near T-Bar in January 1980 they found corners of twenty-dollar bills with the numeral "20" clearly intact, but no bodies of the bills. It is as if someone tore the corners off and planted them downstream, then planted the interiors of the bills a few hundreds yards upstream at the Fazio's stretch of T-Bar.

Do we have two plants?

But, we have the dilemma of the shard field at depth. Then we have to have the compression of the three bundles. Yikes.

I spoke with Galen at length last night about this, and discussed how we might proceed from here. He acknowledged that he had been working with Phil Scoles, in fact hired him to do field studies and research on the money find. Since proprietary interests and professional reputations are at stake, Galen and Scoles need to come to some agreement on how to proceed from here because this issue is gaining momentum. At the very least, Un-Sherlock is publishing his findings in magazines, and we are talking at length about it here. Plus, I certainly want to include some aspects of this in my 3rd Edition.

It is as if the train is leaving the station, and it would be good to have all the engineers and conductors on board.

Lastly, yes, Galen is pictured on camera at the end of the above video.

Why didnt somebody just post this video in the first place! Would have saved everyone a lot of time.

Scoles tests are not a valid test of anything but his test. It proves he can bury some bills for nine months and dig them back up! That is all it proves. This is non-science and a joke!

Yes he does say trimmed so in addition to everything his denial to me on Saturday that he never said trimmed in the sense Surelock says, is a lie. Here we go again. Another gigantic Galen Cook controversy. Enjoy it while it lasts.   

1) Nope
2) Nope.

Longer answer:

As far as I know, the three bundles were placed askew upon each other. The exact angle and a diagram is shown on the Citizen Sleuths website.

As for Tina talking about paper wraps, I've never heard that although lots of people talk about paper wraps. Not sure where they get that info. You?

Nope.

In fact, I've never heard the term, "driftwoods," before.

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Nope.

In fact, I've never heard the term, "driftwoods," before.

In your interviews with the Ingrams, how did they describe the money to you?

Compass Electronics produced a new two coil D shape metal professional detector widely used in the 1970. Why didn't Palmer or the FBI bring one to Tena Bar?  Metal detectors are widely used in archaeology with the first recorded use by military historian Don Rickey in 1958 who used one to detect the firing lines at Little Big Horn.

1. I've only spoken to Brian. He told me that the rubber bands were intact and crumbled when he handled the money. As I recall, he said the three bundles were found "together." Their angle of placement I got from Tom Kaye and the Citizen Sleuths.

2. On metal detectors - who used them, when, where, why - I have no direct knowledge. Why do you ask?