Tom's always interested in the case and new evidence.

It just doesn't make sense to do something like this..I'm a firm believer that this case if ever solved will be simple and to the point type of explanation minus all the bells and whistles added over the years.

nobody knows why he did it.....

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Great video, Un-Sherlock. Thank you. I hadn't seen it before.

The money find at T-Bar seems to be taking a very strange and dramatic turn here. Increasingly, people are realizing that the money has been impacted by more than natural degradation, bacterial action, abrasion, etc.. The bills are more "weathered" than what others have been able to reproduce in controlled experiments in the wild.

I find it difficult to accept that "transport-induced abrasion" trimmed every single corner and 100% of the perimeter of every twenty but left the rubber bands intact. Yes, it's possible, I suppose, but it sure seems strange. This issue is bigger than whether Raised Bills were created or not. They may have been trimmed for counterfieting - or not - and if the latter then some other agenda or process is at work.

Remember, the packets of bills that Tom Kaye floated in the river "fanned-out" as they traveled downstream. So for transport-induced abrasion to do its job the bills have to be held together somehow. But then, whatever is holding them together, such as a money satchel, wouldn't that provide protection from the abrasion? Further, if the abrasion tore-up the bag and the edges and corners, how did it leave the rubber bands?

Further, we have the report from Galen that he has spoken to the two brothers who say that near T-Bar in January 1980 they found corners of twenty-dollar bills with the numeral "20" clearly intact, but no bodies of the bills. It is as if someone tore the corners off and planted them downstream, then planted the interiors of the bills a few hundreds yards upstream at the Fazio's stretch of T-Bar.

Do we have two plants?

But, we have the dilemma of the shard field at depth. Then we have to have the compression of the three bundles. Yikes.

I spoke with Galen at length last night about this, and discussed how we might proceed from here. He acknowledged that he had been working with Phil Scoles, in fact hired him to do field studies and research on the money find. Since proprietary interests and professional reputations are at stake, Galen and Scoles need to come to some agreement on how to proceed from here because this issue is gaining momentum. At the very least, Un-Sherlock is publishing his findings in magazines, and we are talking at length about it here. Plus, I certainly want to include some aspects of this in my 3rd Edition.

It is as if the train is leaving the station, and it would be good to have all the engineers and conductors on board.

Lastly, yes, Galen is pictured on camera at the end of the above video.

Yeah, I hadn't  been paying much attention to the bills, as on their own they don't conclusively prove whether DBC lived or died - he had the money strapped to him in a makeshift fashion and could have dropped some while still successfully completing the jump. Without a body or anything else to go on, he can't be presumed to have died. At the same time, proving the money was planted and ditched would suggest DB lived, but also wouldn't conclusively prove it. Campers, hikers, locals - most would report a body if they found one. But others might just snatch the money, with or without vanishing the body. They would know as well as DBC the money was "marked" (ie the serial numbers were recorded) and could just as easily have laundered, passed, or counterfeited it as DBC could. The fact that the money didn't turn up circulation is NOT that amazing - marked bills are caught fairly rarely, according to what I'm finding online. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

So I found the T-Bar element a somewhat frustrating yawner apart from how far it might go in identifying the dropzone. (If it fell off Cooper early in the jump, maybe not far.) 

Looking at the photos online of the bills - honestly, I would like to know more about the science of cornered objects under natural motion, as georger mentioned. But it is VERY hard not to look at those bills and wonder why all the outer edges are gone all the way around.

I'll take science over spec any day, but I would like to see the science on this, particularly if there are any other studies that have used US money (linen+cotton) in them.

I do think Un-Sherlock has more than satisfactorily shown that Scoles said what he quoted him as saying - more, in fact. If he's changed his mind since then, it would also be good to hear why. Am finally fascinated with this T-Bar debate, although again, I do not think any of these theories proves conclusively that DBC lived/died, or who he was. It can at most narrow the probabilities. Which, of course, is better than nothing.

Great video, Un-Sherlock. Thank you. I hadn't seen it before.

The money find at T-Bar seems to be taking a very strange and dramatic turn here. Increasingly, people are realizing that the money has been impacted by more than natural degradation, bacterial action, abrasion, etc.. The bills are more "weathered" than what others have been able to reproduce in controlled experiments in the wild.

I find it difficult to accept that "transport-induced abrasion" trimmed every single corner and 100% of the perimeter of every twenty but left the rubber bands intact. Yes, it's possible, I suppose, but it sure seems strange. This issue is bigger than whether Raised Bills were created or not. They may have been trimmed for counterfieting - or not - and if the latter then some other agenda or process is at work.

Remember, the packets of bills that Tom Kaye floated in the river "fanned-out" as they traveled downstream. So for transport-induced abrasion to do its job the bills have to be held together somehow. But then, whatever is holding them together, such as a money satchel, wouldn't that provide protection from the abrasion? Further, if the abrasion tore-up the bag and the edges and corners, how did it leave the rubber bands?

Further, we have the report from Galen that he has spoken to the two brothers who say that near T-Bar in January 1980 they found corners of twenty-dollar bills with the numeral "20" clearly intact, but no bodies of the bills. It is as if someone tore the corners off and planted them downstream, then planted the interiors of the bills a few hundreds yards upstream at the Fazio's stretch of T-Bar.

Do we have two plants?

But, we have the dilemma of the shard field at depth. Then we have to have the compression of the three bundles. Yikes.

I spoke with Galen at length last night about this, and discussed how we might proceed from here. He acknowledged that he had been working with Phil Scoles, in fact hired him to do field studies and research on the money find. Since proprietary interests and professional reputations are at stake, Galen and Scoles need to come to some agreement on how to proceed from here because this issue is gaining momentum. At the very least, Un-Sherlock is publishing his findings in magazines, and we are talking at length about it here. Plus, I certainly want to include some aspects of this in my 3rd Edition.

It is as if the train is leaving the station, and it would be good to have all the engineers and conductors on board.

Lastly, yes, Galen is pictured on camera at the end of the above video.

Tom Kaye doesn't agree with this either...

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Tom Kaye doesn't agree with this either...

Of course he doesnt - Tom is a scientist - I talked to Tom about this over the weekend also, after talking to Scoles.

I think Galen Cook and Scoles just joined the ranks of GreyCop, Blevins, and Bob Knoss!

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Tom Kaye doesn't agree with this either...

Um, look, I don't agree with ANY of the theories yet, but I haven't actually yet seen the science you guys are talking about. I'm seeing a lot of logical fallacies on all sides, in fact (almost inevitable in a case with relatively little hard evidence), and a great deal of dependence on argument from authority.  I know the science has been talked about at great length on other threads/forums, but it would take hundreds of hours to read them all, and I have both a job and a marriage (if I could turn back time 10 years I'd have hopped on the Cooper forums earlier. But if I could do that, I could also find Cooper). I want to see all the theoretical explanations for how the bills came to look that way and where appropriate see them taken apart - logically. I respect ALL of the people I've met so far on this forum, and though I know it can be frustrating to longtime DBC students to have to reinvent the wheel for newbies and see them constantly commit the "hasty generalization"  fallacy in particular, it can also be frustrating for newbies (not myself, particularly, I have no particular theories of my own yet, at least on the cash) to have theories shot down with ad hominems and straw men  . Just the facts, gentlemen, please. And the odd joke. Peace out, all, and have a good night.   

Okay, G, but how do the edges get worn by transport-induced abrasion while leaving the rubber bands intact?