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« Reply #165 on: May 13, 2014, 04:47:42 PM »
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Mike Fitzsimmons has been on the air in Spokane since 1974. He's been a radio and television news director for several local stations and is currently the host of KXLY 920 News Scope.

Mike is also a broadcasting instructor at Gonzaga University and had a long stint as an unlimited hydroplane racing announcer.

One of the outstanding accomplishments in Mike's broadcast career came in May, 1980, when he spent a marathon 56 hours on air reporting the Mt. St. Helens eruption and its effects on Eastern Washington.

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I talked to Mike at length over several weeks after an intro from Galen.

I was surprised at Mike's recollection of the program. He confirmed everything Galen says. He confirmed that Lyle backed down quickly and said the whole thing was an idea for a movie script, and that Lyle said openly he really did not believe Kenny had been DB Cooper. 

I queried Galen's role in the program. Mike said Galen played a very minor role and backed down completely so as not to influence anything Lyle had to say. Mike said, "I was fully in charge of the program and gave Lyle total freedom to say whatever he was going to say without any influence from anyone."  That was important for me to hear. Mike felt Lyle was not influenced or coerced in any manner and spoke freely and openly. Mike said he was astounded that Blevins (or Lyle) would deny the program ever occurred, or that Lyle did not say what he said.
Mike described Galen as being in the background saying nothing while Lyle did all the talking.

Mike says there is no transcript. He says he went back to retrieve the program tape later only to find the engineer had wiped the tape for the next show! But, Mike said he will swear and sign a document to verify his version of what Lyle said.
 
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #166 on: May 13, 2014, 05:07:39 PM »
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Also, there appears to be no record of KC ever jumping during deployment.  He might have been trained during WW2, but lots of personnel were trained who never deployed.  Additionally, KC's jumps were all static line jumps, a far different kind of exit from that of DBC.   As for Mr. Blevins, I think Georger has his number.   Georger has pulled-apart the KC myth that Blevins is desperately trying to hang onto.  The FBI knows its all bullshit.  I think Georger has pulled the final stop on Blevins, although Blevins will try a bit more.  He has nothing else to do with his life.  And that is painfully obvious.

I have no problem saying this:  I talked to Geoff about Blevins on two occasions. The first time right after Blevins had come to DZ and was stirring the water and attacking Sluggo. I didn't know if Geoff would even know who Blevins was - he did! Geoff was very specific in the negative concerning RMB. Geoff said he wanted absolutely nothing to do with Blevins and he referred to 'history' he was aware of - he did not/would not elaborate what that meant. I fired back at Geoff and said "well what? what history? what transactions'. Geoff laughed and said: "I don't want to go into it but don't have anything to do with him and and don't believe anything he says." I still pressed Geoff and he commented further, which I'm not going to share. Then watching and reading RMB in the months following my conversation with Geoff, I slowly came to take everything Geoff had said seriously. .... I talked to Geoff twice more in the years following, one of those conversations Shutter is aware of and I reported on that verbatim on DZ right after hanging up with Geoff on the phone. You can read my verbatim report on DZ.

But! We are missing something here about the whole KC debacle that I think need to be spelled out. I will do that tonight. re- Lyle came to NYC to peddle a movie idea. He contacted PI Porteous to provide an introduction. He paid Porteous a fee. At length Porteous and Geoff Gray communicated and investigated resulting in Gray's article in The New Yorker. A movie script has been at the core of all these transactions since the beginning and still is! Blevins was then contacted for a movie script specifically! The basic research had been done, by Gray and Porteous! Porteous wanted . . . a movie script.  Lyle still wants ... his movie script!  That is all this is about, ie. a movie script!

In my opinion, everything Blevins has done, serves the purpose of a movie script ... from promotions to claims.

They wanted a movie script and by God they are going to have a .... MOVIE SCRIPT ... no matter what! 
       
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #167 on: May 13, 2014, 05:16:46 PM »
"I have no problem saying this:"

I don't have any problem discussing this in the form you have approached. this is the things that need exposed. with KC way in the background I'm shocked it has gone this long. what are the odds of getting a hold of the interview, or the transcripts to it? it's a shame people take advantage of things, especially if they have past away. hard evidence needs to surface in this matter....

this is where the sidebar conversation I put in place is needed  8)

added: for some reason I missed the lower portion of your post. I see everything was deleted.......crap!
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #168 on: May 13, 2014, 08:05:48 PM »
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Also, there appears to be no record of KC ever jumping during deployment.  He might have been trained during WW2, but lots of personnel were trained who never deployed.  Additionally, KC's jumps were all static line jumps, a far different kind of exit from that of DBC.   As for Mr. Blevins, I think Georger has his number.   Georger has pulled-apart the KC myth that Blevins is desperately trying to hang onto.  The FBI knows its all bullshit.  I think Georger has pulled the final stop on Blevins, although Blevins will try a bit more.  He has nothing else to do with his life.  And that is painfully obvious.
That seems quite possible.  Reading Kenny's discharge (which was posted here) shows Kenny was deployed overseas on August 15, 1945, which coincides almost exactly with VJ Day.  The form also shows a medal for parachute jumping, but that could be training in prep for a possible Pacific invasion which never happened.
 

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« Reply #169 on: May 13, 2014, 08:10:06 PM »
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Also, there appears to be no record of KC ever jumping during deployment.  He might have been trained during WW2, but lots of personnel were trained who never deployed.  Additionally, KC's jumps were all static line jumps, a far different kind of exit from that of DBC.   As for Mr. Blevins, I think Georger has his number.   Georger has pulled-apart the KC myth that Blevins is desperately trying to hang onto.  The FBI knows its all bullshit.  I think Georger has pulled the final stop on Blevins, although Blevins will try a bit more.  He has nothing else to do with his life.  And that is painfully obvious.
That seems quite possible.  Reading Kenny's discharge (which was posted here) shows Kenny was deployed overseas on August 15, 1945, which coincides almost exactly with VJ Day.  The form also shows a medal for parachute jumping, but that could be training in prep for a possible Pacific invasion which never happened.

we don't seem to have enough information. I read it as his primary job being a mail clerk. I think he went thru the parachute training in boot camp, and that was the end of it.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #170 on: May 13, 2014, 10:36:07 PM »
I will say this about Georger:  he challenged me too,  directly, on my being a guest with Mike Fitzsimmons.  Georger does his homework and I believe he treats people fairly and equally.  But I don't think he likes persistent bullshitters who are peddling their wares as "true stories" without solid back-up.  Probably why Georger is taking on certain people who lack credentials, but still try and speak with authority.  Physics professors, with application of pure logic 24/7, can smell impostors, better than most.

To Mark (377):  hey, I cleaned toilets, scrubbed floors, and peddled newspapers too.  For many years.  And worked heavy duty construction.  Fished.  etc...  And paid all grad school bills with my own savings.   A lot of us have been there.  Probably Georger too.  I think Georger's point is that people who are 60 years old and still do that for a living usually don't have the credentials to engage a particular type of professional work.  It has little to do with being stuck up.  It has to do with qualifications and having paid dues to play in the game.  Blevins has not.   And spinning a yarn endlessly, praying it will catch on, does not impress those who have true qualifications.

Lastly, about Jo Weber:   She scares not.  My own grannie told me about old people who act with vengeance and meanness.  They never learned to be kind and help others.  Jo is Exhibit A.  On her way out with nothing, but a checkered past (which I know all about), and like Blevins, hoping anyone will buy her tale.  Besides, my grannie told me that she'll meet Jo Weber anytime and place Jo wants......and I'd put money on my grannie.   She would wump Jo Weber's ass.
 

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« Reply #171 on: May 14, 2014, 03:05:25 AM »
So far, it appears that 8 posts are missing from the transition. 7 from this category, and one from the website problem thread. I think they were migrating the site during the time frame of the last posting made.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #172 on: May 14, 2014, 10:37:20 AM »
Hi all:  Just to let you know I have successfully got to this new site.
On Monday, Bruce Smith and I met with Don Bennett a retired Boeing 727 test pilot for lunch and he confirmed that taking off, flying and landing with the aft airstairs deployed was no problem but he was not involved in the actual demonstration flight for the Govcernment to show capabilities that could sell more planes for government work. Don said it was a good and easy plane to fly and by pushing forward on the wheel just before toughdown, it landed like a dream. He confirmed that anything that could be tested in the wind tunnel was done by Boeing and the airstairs down configuration would have been one of those tests.
Sheridan Peterson (my suspect) worked at Boeing and would have had access to most information just by calling and asking. He spent plenty of time planing the DB Caper and Bruce mentioned a strange call someone remembers their grandfather got just before Norjak asking some probing questions at Boeing. DB Cooper knew more about the airstairs and take off and landing while deployed than even the pilots of the skyjacked plane. Don Bennett agreed it was no problem to tale off with the stairs deployed, just get enough airspeed to get vertical lift and off you go. Rotation of the plane is only used to make shorter take off runs and get ground clearances.

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #173 on: May 14, 2014, 11:17:03 AM »
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So far, it appears that 8 posts are missing from the transition. 7 from this category, and one from the website problem thread. I think they were migrating the site during the time frame of the last posting made.

So far no problems. In fact its much faster than the old site.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #174 on: May 14, 2014, 12:38:18 PM »
I did a search on Google to see if this forum made the top hits...it did not, but I found this little piece of information about a new suspect. Unfortunately the name of his suspect is not disclosed.   

"Mixed Martial Artist Chael Sonnen claimed on Joe Rogan's podcast that he believed to know the identity of Cooper, and that he was a family friend (Sonnen is from West Linn, Oregon). He also claims that the publishers of his book excised his chapter talking about his beliefs because he refused to provide the name."

The video of the Joe Rogan radio show is here:
The Cooper conversation starts at approximately 2:02 and is about 8 minutes long.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #175 on: May 15, 2014, 03:47:20 PM »
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Also, there appears to be no record of KC ever jumping during deployment.  He might have been trained during WW2, but lots of personnel were trained who never deployed.  Additionally, KC's jumps were all static line jumps, a far different kind of exit from that of DBC.   As for Mr. Blevins, I think Georger has his number.   Georger has pulled-apart the KC myth that Blevins is desperately trying to hang onto.  The FBI knows its all bullshit.  I think Georger has pulled the final stop on Blevins, although Blevins will try a bit more.  He has nothing else to do with his life.  And that is painfully obvious.
That seems quite possible.  Reading Kenny's discharge (which was posted here) shows Kenny was deployed overseas on August 15, 1945, which coincides almost exactly with VJ Day.  The form also shows a medal for parachute jumping, but that could be training in prep for a possible Pacific invasion which never happened.

Just finished reading Bruce's interview with you and Sail. Questions:

After listening to an hour or more of the flight transmissions from 305, was there anything that stood out to you - anything about Cooper, anything about how the hijacking was being handled, ... ?

As far as you are concerned how big a 'secret' was it that the 727 could be jumped via the rear stairs? Do you really think knowing or realising that vulnerability required insider information or skills at the time?

What do you think about the Bohan report?

What was the scuttlebutt about the hijacking and Cooper after the fact, that you overheard? Anything noteworthy that you can recall?

 

   
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« Reply #176 on: May 15, 2014, 04:22:55 PM »
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I did a search on Google to see if this forum made the top hits...it did not, but I found this little piece of information about a new suspect. Unfortunately the name of his suspect is not disclosed.   

"Mixed Martial Artist Chael Sonnen claimed on Joe Rogan's podcast that he believed to know the identity of Cooper, and that he was a family friend (Sonnen is from West Linn, Oregon). He also claims that the publishers of his book excised his chapter talking about his beliefs because he refused to provide the name."

The video of the Joe Rogan radio show is here:
The Cooper conversation starts at approximately 2:02 and is about 8 minutes long.


This guy seems to be about as confident as Blevins. he thinks Nascar and golf are not sports because, I guess you don't beat people up lol. he knows exactly where Bigfoot is, and knows who Cooper is who seems to be an American Indian according to him. he knew all about the bomb in the bag too.  ;D if you watch it. Cooper is discussed towards the end. you might want to jump instead of listening to the whole thing.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #177 on: May 15, 2014, 07:39:47 PM »
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Also, there appears to be no record of KC ever jumping during deployment.  He might have been trained during WW2, but lots of personnel were trained who never deployed.  Additionally, KC's jumps were all static line jumps, a far different kind of exit from that of DBC.   As for Mr. Blevins, I think Georger has his number.   Georger has pulled-apart the KC myth that Blevins is desperately trying to hang onto.  The FBI knows its all bullshit.  I think Georger has pulled the final stop on Blevins, although Blevins will try a bit more.  He has nothing else to do with his life.  And that is painfully obvious.
That seems quite possible.  Reading Kenny's discharge (which was posted here) shows Kenny was deployed overseas on August 15, 1945, which coincides almost exactly with VJ Day.  The form also shows a medal for parachute jumping, but that could be training in prep for a possible Pacific invasion which never happened.

Just finished reading Bruce's interview with you and Sail. Questions:

After listening to an hour or more of the flight transmissions from 305, was there anything that stood out to you - anything about Cooper, anything about how the hijacking was being handled, ... ?

As far as you are concerned how big a 'secret' was it that the 727 could be jumped via the rear stairs? Do you really think knowing or realising that vulnerability required insider information or skills at the time?

What do you think about the Bohan report?

What was the scuttlebutt about the hijacking and Cooper after the fact, that you overheard? Anything noteworthy that you can recall?

 

 

My overall opinion of Don Bennett is that everything he says has to be taken with a grain of salt.  He just has too many stories.  Plus, he seems to be an active alcoholic; hence, stories take precedence over anything else.

As for secrets at Boeing, I think they did a thorough job of keeping their secret 727 tests confidential.  Maybe Bennett heard rumors, maybe not.

I asked Don about the tone and nature of the 305 transmissions and he was ambivalent.  I suspect that he was BS-ing us.  Plus, he described himself being on an USAF training mission, not a Boeing gig.  Inconsistencies like this peppered his commentaries.

I think the Bohan report is highly suspect.  Don does, too.

Don didn't offer any opinion on DB Cooper even though I asked him.  My query was lot in a barrage of conversation and story-telling.
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« Reply #178 on: May 15, 2014, 11:31:40 PM »
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Also, there appears to be no record of KC ever jumping during deployment.  He might have been trained during WW2, but lots of personnel were trained who never deployed.  Additionally, KC's jumps were all static line jumps, a far different kind of exit from that of DBC.   As for Mr. Blevins, I think Georger has his number.   Georger has pulled-apart the KC myth that Blevins is desperately trying to hang onto.  The FBI knows its all bullshit.  I think Georger has pulled the final stop on Blevins, although Blevins will try a bit more.  He has nothing else to do with his life.  And that is painfully obvious.
That seems quite possible.  Reading Kenny's discharge (which was posted here) shows Kenny was deployed overseas on August 15, 1945, which coincides almost exactly with VJ Day.  The form also shows a medal for parachute jumping, but that could be training in prep for a possible Pacific invasion which never happened.

Just finished reading Bruce's interview with you and Sail. Questions:

After listening to an hour or more of the flight transmissions from 305, was there anything that stood out to you - anything about Cooper, anything about how the hijacking was being handled, ... ?

As far as you are concerned how big a 'secret' was it that the 727 could be jumped via the rear stairs? Do you really think knowing or realising that vulnerability required insider information or skills at the time?

What do you think about the Bohan report?

What was the scuttlebutt about the hijacking and Cooper after the fact, that you overheard? Anything noteworthy that you can recall?

 

 

My overall opinion of Don Bennett is that everything he says has to be taken with a grain of salt.  He just has too many stories.  Plus, he seems to be an active alcoholic; hence, stories take precedence over anything else.

As for secrets at Boeing, I think they did a thorough job of keeping their secret 727 tests confidential.  Maybe Bennett heard rumors, maybe not.

I asked Don about the tone and nature of the 305 transmissions and he was ambivalent.  I suspect that he was BS-ing us.  Plus, he described himself being on an USAF training mission, not a Boeing gig.  Inconsistencies like this peppered his commentaries.

I think the Bohan report is highly suspect.  Don does, too.

Don didn't offer any opinion on DB Cooper even though I asked him.  My query was lot in a barrage of conversation and story-telling.

Uhhh, not to put too fine a point on it but I asked Don. Not you! Are you an ex-Boeing test pilot?

When I have a question about UFOs and MKULTRA MALDUM FORNAX I will ask you or AmmoZon or the other one...

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« Reply #179 on: May 16, 2014, 12:13:53 AM »
I understand. Always happy to answer your questions about UFOs and MKULTRA.  If I am able, of course.

Until then!
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