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Shutter · « **Reply #135 on:** May 11, 2014, 05:22:41 PM »

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How about the fact that Kenny continued to work for NWA for many years after the hijacking? I know Blevins says that doesn't mean much, but if he had quit his job soon after the hijacking, we'd certainly be hearing that as evidence of his guilt. The fact that he worked there for so long, to me, is just more evidence that he was not involved.

Right....and if everything Blevins says is true, there still is nothing that ties Kenny to the flight. And, nobody (other than his brother) will even come out and suggest he is. There just doesn't seem to be any "there" there.

Yep, and what exactly is "the biggest set of coincidences in frickin' history" ? I fail to see this massive amount of "coincidences"

The fact of none of them coming forward helping Lyle out is a red flag. we have conflicting stories, improper investigating, or lack of one. it all boils down to people concluding the guilt. nobody has any proof Cooper was from Washington. criminals case the area prior to a crime. I'm not saying he can't be from Wa. but if we are to use that as a coincidence then that goes out the window. KC being a paratrooper. that's not a coincidence either. the landing zone. no coincidence there either. we have no proof he intended to land in that area. you can't put KC beside the photo, and then claim eyewitness descriptions are usually off?

I don't put a lot of weight in the passengers. they had no reason to recall him. that's why you get different views of Cooper. the bottom line is Tina had to look up at Cooper. she is 5' 8". that should rule out anyone at, or below 5' 8". I think even an inch taller would be questionable.

georger · « **Reply #136 on:** May 11, 2014, 05:30:12 PM »

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How about the fact that Kenny continued to work for NWA for many years after the hijacking? I know Blevins says that doesn't mean much, but if he had quit his job soon after the hijacking, we'd certainly be hearing that as evidence of his guilt. The fact that he worked there for so long, to me, is just more evidence that he was not involved.

Right....and if everything Blevins says is true, there still is nothing that ties Kenny to the flight. And, nobody (other than his brother) will even come out and suggest he is. There just doesn't seem to be any "there" there.

Yep, and what exactly is "the biggest set of coincidences in frickin' history" ? I fail to see this massive amount of "coincidences"

I wish everyone could talk to Gray about the KC story, how it evolved, who did what when and for what reasons, how the story came to him through Porteous, evidence Gray collected on Kenny, and the conclusions Gray came to himself ............ all substantially different and more concrete than the story (stories) RMB had dispensed on DZ.
I asked Gray if he would go public in rebuttal to RMB and he said "absolutely not!". Gray wants nothing to do with this. Gray's version of Kenny's life is different from RMB's version. RMB has cherry picked Gray's article and avoided
elements of Gray's article not useful to RMB's purpose.

Shutter · « **Reply #137 on:** May 11, 2014, 05:36:10 PM »

I suspect a lot of "writer's imagination" involved with the whole thing, or hype. I just don't see anything concrete. I'm guessing this could be done with almost anyone in Washington that remotely fits the description, or lived in the area in 1971.

If you really want a set of coincidences. take a look at Vicki's father.

Shutter · « **Reply #138 on:** May 11, 2014, 10:07:17 PM »

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How about the fact that Kenny continued to work for NWA for many years after the hijacking? I know Blevins says that doesn't mean much, but if he had quit his job soon after the hijacking, we'd certainly be hearing that as evidence of his guilt. The fact that he worked there for so long, to me, is just more evidence that he was not involved.

Right....and if everything Blevins says is true, there still is nothing that ties Kenny to the flight. And, nobody (other than his brother) will even come out and suggest he is. There just doesn't seem to be any "there" there.

Yep, and what exactly is "the biggest set of coincidences in frickin' history" ? I fail to see this massive amount of "coincidences"
I wish everyone could talk to Gray about the KC story, how it evolved, who did what when and for what reasons, how the story came to him through Porteous, evidence Gray collected on Kenny, and the conclusions Gray came to himself ............ all substantially different and more concrete than the story (stories) RMB had dispensed on DZ.
I asked Gray if he would go public in rebuttal to RMB and he said "absolutely not!". Gray wants nothing to do with this. Gray's version of Kenny's life is different from RMB's version. RMB has cherry picked Gray's article and avoided
elements of Gray's article not useful to RMB's purpose.

Anyway you look at it, this was a half ass investigation. where ever, or who ever started the cash deal for the house did a fatal error by not checking the County records. the $5000 loan has never been confirmed. records should have been checked to see if a house was even bought in that time period. that's another fatal error. two different stories about the money found on the property. no records of any ads about asking about the money find. the guy who had the sign shop had a convincing story about the money being found in the early 2000's, not the mid 90's when whats her name owned the house. satellite photo's confirm his story of the property being leveled. then you have a woman ID the tie clip, but not a black tie? not one single picture showing KC with a wig on. red flag again. none of them have come forward to any LEO prior to Lyle stating the whole thing. why would Lyle not be smart enough to put this together soon after it happened? Lyle has several patients. this tells me he has a creative mind! an influencing mind! I can't buy into all of this. the FBI would laugh at this sort of nonsense. what's funny is some of them think they are smarter than the FBI...

Shutter · « **Reply #139 on:** May 12, 2014, 08:52:08 AM »

Farflung says this...

I don’t understand all this Bernie is a criminal because ‘I caught him in a lie’ stuff.

There is more than enough creepy behavior to go around for this flock of losers. IF Kenny was sooooo broke that he had to dig ditches to make ends meet….. then what sort of moron would approach him for a loan for the down payment on a house? Moron or crook or fairy tale weaver that is. I mean really, who does this? Oh, you have been on strike and don’t have any money…. ummm…. yeah…. ahhh…. Could you loan me some money for a house? I ask because I’m an idiot. Yeah, that story held water.

IF this story is true, then the person who asked for the loan KNEW that Kenny came into some money from nefarious means and is as dirty and filthy as anyone involved. What a cretin. She should be exposed as an accessory after the fact and scorned with ridicule. I certainly would never associate with such a piece of human garbage or social bottom feeder. What a piece of work. Publish her phone number, address and photo so descent people can know what to avoid. I’m getting sick just thinking about what it must have been like talking to such a monster. Good thing I just use a computer and am old and don’t do anything. Gosh.

Reply was this...

Farflung: I don't know what to tell you about Bernie's sister and the loan. She didn't know KC very well pre-hijacking, as she had only moved to Washington a few months previous to the crime. And she never said she was sure Kenny was the hijacker. She did ID the tie tac and say she suspected he was from the start.

She freely admitted the $5,000 loan from Kenny, how it was arranged by her brother, delivered by her brother, and how she repaid Kenny in two years. She said he gave her four years to repay and even gave me the address of the house she bought. Whaddya want? I'm not the FBI. I think I gathered enough evidence to at least have them look at KC, that's all. I don't know any more than you do if he was the hijacker.

as Farf says, who would loan someone a large sum of money with only knowing them a short time? some of you have known me (online) for years, would you loan me $25,000? on top of that, leave no records of such a large transaction? according to the statement, KC only knew her a couple months? the average home ran about $20k to $25k in 1971, you didn't need $5,000 to put down on it! red flag. a new car was well under $5,000 in 1971. it doesn't calculate properly.

The coin/stamp collection jumps from $400,000 to $300,000 and back down to $30,000 blaming email typo?

Parrotheadvol · « **Reply #140 on:** May 12, 2014, 12:54:26 PM »

I think that Bernie probably likes the little bit of celebrity that he gets from the accusation of being part of the DB Cooper hijacking. Let a movie come forward with these accusations, and I bet that changes. My guess is that suing a production company would be much more lucrative than suing Blevins, and that's not a knock on Blevins.

I also wonder about these "witnesses" that are used to promote the KC theory. Are they intrigued by the possibility that they may have knew DB Cooper? So much so that they remember things a little differently than they really were?

I also have a hard time with the notion that none of these people knew originally why Blevins was asking around about Kenny. The Gray article had already been done. How do you not know that such a close acquaintance had been named as a suspect in one of the most notorious unsolved crimes in US history?

Shutter · « **Reply #141 on:** May 12, 2014, 01:09:18 PM »

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I think that Bernie probably likes the little bit of celebrity that he gets from the accusation of being part of the DB Cooper hijacking. Let a movie come forward with these accusations, and I bet that changes. My guess is that suing a production company would be much more lucrative than suing Blevins, and that's not a knock on Blevins.

I also wonder about these "witnesses" that are used to promote the KC theory. Are they intrigued by the possibility that they may have knew DB Cooper? So much so that they remember things a little differently than they really were?

I also have a hard time with the notion that none of these people knew originally why Blevins was asking around about Kenny. The Gray article had already been done. How do you not know that such a close acquaintance had been named as a suspect in one of the most notorious unsolved crimes in US history?

Movie deal? extremely doubtful. most of the people, or all of them lived in Washington most of there lives. I'm sure they were aware of the implications why someone would be asking questions. do these people tell the story of knowing who DB Cooper was in average conversation? but fail to come forward to Law Enforcement? the FBI is not going to come flying in when a couple people implicate someone in a crime. I'm sure behind the scenes they already checked most of what is being told about KC. If by chance they read the book and followed up. I'm sure they got a giggle once most of the FACTS were found not true. it's ran it's course years ago. one guy & a kid struggle forward pushing KC.

The police are doing the exact samething Blevins is doing with KC. taking a bunch of circumstances, and running with it.

they claim I used my 30 day paper tag from 2009, because it matches the first 3 letters given by the driver.
The driver said he was hit by a Dodge 1500. I have a Dodge Dakota, much smaller.
I was 25 miles away from the scene that day.
I have never had an expired tag on my truck.
The driver ID'd me from my DL. the photo is 17 years old. he also claimed the driver was in his 30's to mid 40's. I'm in my 50's. I wear a cap & sunglasses everyday.
My truck has company writing all over it. never mentioned. included a phone number in large letters on the tailgate!
The Insurance company proved my truck bumper was to low to hit that vehicle! zero damage on my truck.

And yet I'm still being charged with a criminal traffic violation. I also have a ticket for expired tag from 2009 that was never seen on my truck! it's not that hard to take a bunch of circumstances and try it make it sound good, even when it's completely false. I know, I've been living with false accusations for months now.

Parrotheadvol · « **Reply #142 on:** May 12, 2014, 02:12:42 PM »

And if you were not around to defend yourself or refute the accusations, people would assume them as fact.

Wonder what Kenny himself would think of the DBC accusations? (What the f%#k???).

Shutter · « **Reply #143 on:** May 12, 2014, 02:29:23 PM »

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And if you were not around to defend yourself or refute the accusations, people would assume them as fact.

Wonder what Kenny himself would think of the DBC accusations? (What the f%#k???).

Correct, most of the other people claiming a suspect look for hard evidence. accusations don't fly. you base the story around what people say, then look for hard solid evidence. KC's evidence is slowly washing away. he will tell you it doesn't really matter, but he sure surrounded it while it was still called evidence, or prior to be discovered untrue. that leaves a couple people saying KC was Cooper. the large lot was bought prior to the crime, it was sold for $17,000 an acre. where do you think the large sum of money came from in the last couple years of his life? I think the real question might be, where is the rest of the money? he had close to $200k a couple years before he died.?

MarkBennett · « **Reply #144 on:** May 12, 2014, 02:47:26 PM »

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And if you were not around to defend yourself or refute the accusations, people would assume them as fact.

Wonder what Kenny himself would think of the DBC accusations? (What the f%#k???).

Correct, most of the other people claiming a suspect look for hard evidence. accusations don't fly. you base the story around what people say, then look for hard solid evidence. KC's evidence is slowly washing away. he will tell you it doesn't really matter, but he sure surrounded it while it was still called evidence, or prior to be discovered untrue. that leaves a couple people saying KC was Cooper. the large lot was bought prior to the crime, it was sold for $17,000 an acre. where do you think the large sum of money came from in the last couple years of his life? I think the real question might be, where is the resat of the money? he had close to $200 a couple years before he died.?

Shutter,
What other documents would like to find? I might try to go down to the Pierce County Court house when I'm able to get a day off and check and try to find documents from the 1970s which aren't available online.

I assume we want purchase and sale of Kenny's house, along with any liens, mortgages or reconveyances.
Purchase, sale, mortgages, notes or reconveyances on Helen Jones.

That might put an end to all of this.

Interesting point about "where was the rest of the money". Kenny, after supposedly being a hijacker, kept working, lived in a rural house not much larger than a trailer and died with an estate smaller than the proceeds of a sale of some land only two years prior. Nobody will now claim he was the hijacker and nothing in his past indicated he would be the type to pull off such a crime.

I guess the biggest question would be: Why is he even considered a suspect at all?
Purchase and Sale

Shutter · « **Reply #145 on:** May 12, 2014, 02:57:49 PM »

the only thing linking him to the crime is people. nothing else, just talk. lots of speculation, some of it has already been proven false. it's all hype. even the apartment he lived in. it's portrayed as a dump. that is today's standard of the apartments. the rent might of been low so he could stockpile cash for a down payment, or he used the land as collateral? I don't know.

records about Dawn Androsko purchasing a home 4 months after the crime needs verified. she has lots of records online, but not far enough back. let me think about what is needed......

Parrotheadvol · « **Reply #146 on:** May 12, 2014, 03:13:35 PM »

Mark asked: I guess the biggest question would be: Why is he even considered a suspect at all?

My answer: Nothing. I could throw out several people as suspects. But, if the FBI don't bother to take a look, and the agent in charge of the case at the time (Carr) says he isn't a suspect. Then he isn't a suspect. Calling Kenny Christiansen a suspect in this case, is perhaps the biggest stretch in the whole KC story.

Shutter · « **Reply #147 on:** May 12, 2014, 03:24:06 PM »

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Mark asked: I guess the biggest question would be: Why is he even considered a suspect at all?

My answer: Nothing. I could throw out several people as suspects. But, if the FBI don't bother to take a look, and the agent in charge of the case at the time (Carr) says he isn't a suspect. Then he isn't a suspect. Calling Kenny Christiansen a suspect in this case, is perhaps the biggest stretch in the whole KC story.

I think it's pretty safe to say it's highly possible they checked into KC. it did bring attention to the case. it wouldn't take them long to check things. they don't have to speak with anyone unless it was important enough. people tend to forget that they hold back enough information to rule suspects out so they can't latch on to everything. I'm sure the FBI is not upfront about discussing what they do with suspects.

with over a thousands suspects, I wonder how many made for tv scripts there are lol

MarkBennett · « **Reply #148 on:** May 12, 2014, 06:01:57 PM »

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Mark asked: I guess the biggest question would be: Why is he even considered a suspect at all?

My answer: Nothing. I could throw out several people as suspects. But, if the FBI don't bother to take a look, and the agent in charge of the case at the time (Carr) says he isn't a suspect. Then he isn't a suspect. Calling Kenny Christiansen a suspect in this case, is perhaps the biggest stretch in the whole KC story.

I think it's pretty safe to say it's highly possible they checked into KC. it did bring attention to the case. it wouldn't take them long to check things. they don't have to speak with anyone unless it was important enough. people tend to forget that they hold back enough information to rule suspects out so they can't latch on to everything. I'm sure the FBI is not upfront about discussing what they do with suspects.

with over a thousands suspects, I wonder how many made for tv scripts there are lol

Considering the interaction that Gray had with Carr, I'm sure Kenny at least had the FBI's attention. I'm sure they talked about him.

Shutter · « **Reply #149 on:** May 12, 2014, 06:15:05 PM »

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Mark asked: I guess the biggest question would be: Why is he even considered a suspect at all?

My answer: Nothing. I could throw out several people as suspects. But, if the FBI don't bother to take a look, and the agent in charge of the case at the time (Carr) says he isn't a suspect. Then he isn't a suspect. Calling Kenny Christiansen a suspect in this case, is perhaps the biggest stretch in the whole KC story.

I think it's pretty safe to say it's highly possible they checked into KC. it did bring attention to the case. it wouldn't take them long to check things. they don't have to speak with anyone unless it was important enough. people tend to forget that they hold back enough information to rule suspects out so they can't latch on to everything. I'm sure the FBI is not upfront about discussing what they do with suspects.

with over a thousands suspects, I wonder how many made for tv scripts there are lol

Considering the interaction that Gray had with Carr, I'm sure Kenny at least had the FBI's attention. So, he at least had a little bit of their attention.

Yep, and probably more than they will talk about. it's not going to be the FBI's best interest to follow up on a few people accusing someone of this crime. you don't think they seen decoded? anything sent to them has to be looked at, so what's that tell ya....

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