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[Robert99]

Here is an FBI statement...

FBI Statement: The FBI has a team of cryptanalysis experts that decipher coded messages, symbols, and records from criminals known as the Cryptanalysis and Racketeering Records Unit. CRRU regularly works with the cryptologic research community to solve ciphers. On December 5, 2020, the FBI received the solution to a cipher popularly known as Z340 from a cryptologic researcher and independently verified the decryption. Cipher Z340 is one of four ciphers attributed to the Zodiac Killer. This cipher was first submitted to the FBI Laboratory on November 13, 1969, but not successfully decrypted. Over the past 51 years CRRU has reviewed numerous proposed solutions from the public–none of which had merit. The cipher was recently solved by a team of three private citizens. The Zodiac Killer case remains an ongoing investigation for the FBI San Francisco division and our local law enforcement partners. The Zodiac Killer terrorized multiple communities across Northern California and even though decades have gone by, we continue to seek justice for the victims of these brutal crimes. Due to the ongoing nature of the investigation, and out of respect for the victims and their families, we will not be providing further comment at this time

The FBI states that they received the proposed solution of the Z340 cipher just six days ago.  The FBI cipher unit apparently has initially agreed with the proposed solution.  But I strongly suggest that it will not stand the test of time.  There are plenty of professional code breakers in the Washington, DC area and elsewhere who will very likely take a look at the proposed solution and I suspect that they will tear it apart.

And again, if you don't even know what constitutes the code, then any solution is possible.  Or to put it another way with an expression that was recently publicized, if you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there.

And I am not aware of any law enforcement agency that actually accepted the 1969 proposed solution of the Z408 cipher as being valid.

[Chaucer]

The FBI states that they received the proposed solution of the Z340 cipher just six days ago.  The FBI cipher unit apparently has initially agreed with the proposed solution.  But I strongly suggest that it will not stand the test of time.  There are plenty of professional code breakers in the Washington, DC area and elsewhere who will very likely take a look at the proposed solution and I suspect that they will tear it apart.

Dave Oranchak actually WORKS with and has given talks to "professional code breakers in the Washington, DC area" including a recent talk at the National Cryptologic Museum.



 The guy is the preeminent expert on the Zodiac codes. He's not some pimply-faced 17 year old living in his mom's detached garage.

And again, if you don't even know what constitutes the code, then any solution is possible.

This is an inaccurate statement. If it were true, how would any code be solved? Do some research.

Or to put it another way with an expression that was recently publicized, if you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there.

Again, utterly inaccurate and displays your lack of knowledge about the mathematics regarding codes and ciphers.

And I am not aware of any law enforcement agency that actually accepted the 1969 proposed solution of the Z408 cipher as being valid.

The FBI, the San Fransciso Police Department, the United Postal Service Police, the National Security Administration, and the Navy all verified the Z408 code solution as valid. It's also been independently verified by multiple civilian codebreakers over the last 50 years. Would you like me to provide the documentation or do you just want to take the L on this one, boss?

Robert, you may have far greater knowledge on the Cooper case than myself, but when it comes to Zodiac, let's just say you don't want that smoke. I'd suggest sitting this one out.

[Robert99]

The FBI states that they received the proposed solution of the Z340 cipher just six days ago.  The FBI cipher unit apparently has initially agreed with the proposed solution.  But I strongly suggest that it will not stand the test of time.  There are plenty of professional code breakers in the Washington, DC area and elsewhere who will very likely take a look at the proposed solution and I suspect that they will tear it apart.

Dave Oranchak actually WORKS with and has given talks to "professional code breakers in the Washington, DC area" including a recent talk at the National Cryptologic Museum.



 The guy is the preeminent expert on the Zodiac codes. He's not some pimply-faced 17 year old living in his mom's detached garage.

And again, if you don't even know what constitutes the code, then any solution is possible.

This is an inaccurate statement. If it were true, how would any code be solved? Do some research.

Or to put it another way with an expression that was recently publicized, if you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there.

Again, utterly inaccurate and displays your lack of knowledge about the mathematics regarding codes and ciphers.

And I am not aware of any law enforcement agency that actually accepted the 1969 proposed solution of the Z408 cipher as being valid.

The FBI, the San Fransciso Police Department, the United Postal Service Police, the National Security Administration, and the Navy all verified the Z408 code solution as valid. It's also been independently verified by multiple civilian codebreakers over the last 50 years. Would you like me to provide the documentation or do you just want to take the L on this one, boss?

Robert, you may have far greater knowledge on the Cooper case than myself, but when it comes to Zodiac, let's just say you don't want that smoke. I'd suggest sitting this one out.

Chaucer,

You are the one who doesn't know what you are talking about.  You are also the late arrival at the party.  I stand by my previous statements but I am not going to comment further on this matter here.  As the FBI has pointed out in their statement, this is an active and ongoing case.

[MEYDC]

Didn't they have a strong suspect or is the case like this one with wannabe's?

It's similar in a lot of ways. There's no shortage of suspects or people pushing their own suspects. Arthur Leigh Allen was the primary suspect for a long time and he had a lot of circumstantial things that pointed his way. There are plenty of folks who still think he could be the guy, but if I remember correctly he has pretty much been ruled out from fingerprint evidence and I believe DNA evidence as well. Not to mention, he didn't look anything like the description they had of Zodiac. Richard Gaikowski seems to be the most talked about suspect now and he is pushed hard by the moderator of one of the big Zodiac forums. But, I haven't seen anything that makes be believe he is the guy either. I don't even find him to be that good of a suspect. Maybe I'm missing something there.

This in interesting news though. I'd love to see this one solved. There's still people out there that need closure from the things this evil prick did.

Everybody that was cleared by DNA is back as a suspect. I don't remember the reason, I don't think that they had the Zodiac's DNA. That's why trying to find DNA on some of the old evidence is the only if it hasn't been compromised.

[Parrotheadvol]

Didn't they have a strong suspect or is the case like this one with wannabe's?

It's similar in a lot of ways. There's no shortage of suspects or people pushing their own suspects. Arthur Leigh Allen was the primary suspect for a long time and he had a lot of circumstantial things that pointed his way. There are plenty of folks who still think he could be the guy, but if I remember correctly he has pretty much been ruled out from fingerprint evidence and I believe DNA evidence as well. Not to mention, he didn't look anything like the description they had of Zodiac. Richard Gaikowski seems to be the most talked about suspect now and he is pushed hard by the moderator of one of the big Zodiac forums. But, I haven't seen anything that makes be believe he is the guy either. I don't even find him to be that good of a suspect. Maybe I'm missing something there.

This in interesting news though. I'd love to see this one solved. There's still people out there that need closure from the things this evil prick did.

Everybody that was cleared by DNA is back as a suspect. I don't remember the reason, I don't think that they had the Zodiac's DNA. That's why trying to find DNA on some of the old evidence is the only if it hasn't been compromised.

It seems like I do recall something about that. I've looked at the Zodiac case quite a bit, but certainly not as much as the Cooper case. But Allen was cleared also by fingerprint wasn't he? I think they feel pretty confident about the fingerprint obtained from the cab at the Stine murder.

[Parrotheadvol]

The other thing that is interesting about this particular solution, that I think needs to be pointed out, is that it doesn't ID a certain suspect. It seems that in the past when people came forward with a solution - or partial solution - to one of these things, it all too often conveniently named their prime suspect in it. In this instance, that isn't the case, which at least initially makes it seem a little more credible. We've seen the same thing in the Cooper case with some the supposed codebreakers.

[Chaucer]

The FBI states that they received the proposed solution of the Z340 cipher just six days ago.  The FBI cipher unit apparently has initially agreed with the proposed solution.  But I strongly suggest that it will not stand the test of time.  There are plenty of professional code breakers in the Washington, DC area and elsewhere who will very likely take a look at the proposed solution and I suspect that they will tear it apart.

Dave Oranchak actually WORKS with and has given talks to "professional code breakers in the Washington, DC area" including a recent talk at the National Cryptologic Museum.



 The guy is the preeminent expert on the Zodiac codes. He's not some pimply-faced 17 year old living in his mom's detached garage.

And again, if you don't even know what constitutes the code, then any solution is possible.

This is an inaccurate statement. If it were true, how would any code be solved? Do some research.

Or to put it another way with an expression that was recently publicized, if you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there.

Again, utterly inaccurate and displays your lack of knowledge about the mathematics regarding codes and ciphers.

And I am not aware of any law enforcement agency that actually accepted the 1969 proposed solution of the Z408 cipher as being valid.

The FBI, the San Fransciso Police Department, the United Postal Service Police, the National Security Administration, and the Navy all verified the Z408 code solution as valid. It's also been independently verified by multiple civilian codebreakers over the last 50 years. Would you like me to provide the documentation or do you just want to take the L on this one, boss?

Robert, you may have far greater knowledge on the Cooper case than myself, but when it comes to Zodiac, let's just say you don't want that smoke. I'd suggest sitting this one out.

Chaucer,

You are the one who doesn't know what you are talking about.  You are also the late arrival at the party.  I stand by my previous statements but I am not going to comment further on this matter here.  As the FBI has pointed out in their statement, this is an active and ongoing case.

There’s nothing quite as hilarious as strident, arrogant ignorance.

“Better to be thought of as a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.”

Doubtless, I’m glad you aren’t going to comment on things you know nothing about. Back to ignoring you.

[MEYDC]

Didn't they have a strong suspect or is the case like this one with wannabe's?

It's similar in a lot of ways. There's no shortage of suspects or people pushing their own suspects. Arthur Leigh Allen was the primary suspect for a long time and he had a lot of circumstantial things that pointed his way. There are plenty of folks who still think he could be the guy, but if I remember correctly he has pretty much been ruled out from fingerprint evidence and I believe DNA evidence as well. Not to mention, he didn't look anything like the description they had of Zodiac. Richard Gaikowski seems to be the most talked about suspect now and he is pushed hard by the moderator of one of the big Zodiac forums. But, I haven't seen anything that makes be believe he is the guy either. I don't even find him to be that good of a suspect. Maybe I'm missing something there.

This in interesting news though. I'd love to see this one solved. There's still people out there that need closure from the things this evil prick did.

Everybody that was cleared by DNA is back as a suspect. I don't remember the reason, I don't think that they had the Zodiac's DNA. That's why trying to find DNA on some of the old evidence is the only if it hasn't been compromised.

It seems like I do recall something about that. I've looked at the Zodiac case quite a bit, but certainly not as much as the Cooper case. But Allen was cleared also by fingerprint wasn't he? I think they feel pretty confident about the fingerprint obtained from the cab at the Stine murder.

I don't know if they cleared him based on fingerprints.

[MEYDC]

The other thing that is interesting about this particular solution, that I think needs to be pointed out, is that it doesn't ID a certain suspect. It seems that in the past when people came forward with a solution - or partial solution - to one of these things, it all too often conveniently named their prime suspect in it. In this instance, that isn't the case, which at least initially makes it seem a little more credible. We've seen the same thing in the Cooper case with some the supposed codebreakers.

It does seem credible. It reminds me of some of the letters that he wrote.

[Chaucer]

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The FBI confirms again...USAToday

The cipher is one of many sent by a killer who referred to himself as Zodiac in letters sent to detectives and the media. The Zodiac terrorized Northern California communities and killed five people in the Bay Area in 1968 and 1969.

According to code-breaking expert David Oranchak, the cipher's text includes: "I hope you are having lots of fun in trying to catch me. ... I am not afraid of the gas chamber because it will send me to paradise all the sooner because I now have enough slaves to work for me," the newspaper reported.

Oranchak, who has been working on the Zodiac's codes for years, said in an email to the newspaper that the solved cipher was sent to the FBI.
"They have confirmed the solution. No joke! This is the real deal," he wrote. Cameron Polan, spokeswoman for the FBI's San Francisco office, confirmed Oranchak's claim Friday.

[Chaucer]

The FBI confirms again...USAToday

The cipher is one of many sent by a killer who referred to himself as Zodiac in letters sent to detectives and the media. The Zodiac terrorized Northern California communities and killed five people in the Bay Area in 1968 and 1969.

According to code-breaking expert David Oranchak, the cipher's text includes: "I hope you are having lots of fun in trying to catch me. ... I am not afraid of the gas chamber because it will send me to paradise all the sooner because I now have enough slaves to work for me," the newspaper reported.

Oranchak, who has been working on the Zodiac's codes for years, said in an email to the newspaper that the solved cipher was sent to the FBI.
"They have confirmed the solution. No joke! This is the real deal," he wrote. Cameron Polan, spokeswoman for the FBI's San Francisco office, confirmed Oranchak's claim Friday.

Clearly, the FBI and many other dozen cryptologists are wrong, and R99 is right. None of us know what we are are talking about re: Zodiac and or the code. Honestly, I’m not sure the point of posting here or on Zodiac sites since R99 has it all figured out.

[Robert99]

The FBI confirms again...USAToday

The cipher is one of many sent by a killer who referred to himself as Zodiac in letters sent to detectives and the media. The Zodiac terrorized Northern California communities and killed five people in the Bay Area in 1968 and 1969.

According to code-breaking expert David Oranchak, the cipher's text includes: "I hope you are having lots of fun in trying to catch me. ... I am not afraid of the gas chamber because it will send me to paradise all the sooner because I now have enough slaves to work for me," the newspaper reported.

Oranchak, who has been working on the Zodiac's codes for years, said in an email to the newspaper that the solved cipher was sent to the FBI.
"They have confirmed the solution. No joke! This is the real deal," he wrote. Cameron Polan, spokeswoman for the FBI's San Francisco office, confirmed Oranchak's claim Friday.

Clearly, the FBI and many other dozen cryptologists are wrong, and R99 is right. None of us know what we are are talking about re: Zodiac and or the code. Honestly, I’m not sure the point of posting here or on Zodiac sites since R99 has it all figured out.

Chaucer, I have clearly stated that no one, and that includes you, me, the FBI, and everyone else, does not have it figured out.  In your case, you haven't even been able to figure out what constitutes the code.  To repeat, no one has broken any of the Zodiac ciphers to date regardless of claims to the contrary.