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« Reply #1920 on: September 07, 2018, 11:29:13 PM »
Many always wondered if a copy of the radar tapes of the flight were made..according to this document they were...
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1921 on: September 08, 2018, 09:31:01 AM »
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Many always wondered if a copy of the radar tapes of the flight were made..according to this document they were...

At this point I question the logic of holding anything back. If they have left the door open on a couple of suspects I can understand, but only if they're still alive. Otherwise, release the info.
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« Reply #1922 on: September 08, 2018, 09:36:21 AM »
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Many always wondered if a copy of the radar tapes of the flight were made..according to this document they were...

At this point I question the logic of holding anything back. If they have left the door open on a couple of suspects I can understand, but only if they're still alive. Otherwise, release the info.

YES, release the CRACKEN... unless they are hiding something..

Where did the radio go??

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1923 on: September 08, 2018, 11:41:25 AM »
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Sheridan reveals the bank account, delves into the parachute details.  Was he toying with the investigators?

The FBI was unaware of the numbered bank account. Details regarding the dummy reserve strike me as simply not knowing what is public information. I do not believe he was toying with investigators, however, he has not explicitly denied being Cooper to the FBI which I consider odd. Even when he was asked on the History Channel documentary if he had been asked about being Cooper by the FBI he laughed it off and said, "I'm a nice guy."

If it was a secret numbered bank account how can it be confirmed? (SP statements are unreliable)

and legislation passed in Jan 1971 but it wasn't implemented until 1972.. not started by (at least) March 1972..

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Sheridan's comments are absolutely reliable. I have yet to find a single example of him exaggerating about anything that he has done. When he says he did something, he did it. His memory is a steel trap and he remembers things in great detail

The Act was passed in 1970 and implemented January 1, 1971.


Bill in 1970..
Passed in 1971
(numbered accounts) Implemented beyond March 1972.

Now, he may have had a numbered account later, but they weren't offered as of March 1972.â€

I'm not sure where you're getting this.

The Banking Act of 1970 was passed in 1970. It was implemented January 1, 1971.

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Again, if the news report is accurate, then banks actually started to offer numbered accounts shortly after March of 1972--four months after the hijacking. This would mean that Sheridan was incorrect when he stated that he opened the account in 1971. Obviously, this is entirely possible and not a big deal.

The other aspect that is noteworthy is that by the time Sheridan opened the numbered account--again, somewhere after March 1972 if the article is accurate--he had not been working for at least 19 months. Needless to say, this is odd.

I keep hearing about SP having this numbered account. How do you know this ? Have you seen any evidence of him having this numbered account ?
 

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« Reply #1924 on: September 08, 2018, 11:45:04 AM »
BTW,,

I just talked to a friend who spent nearly a year in Nepal in the 70's..  he said it was dirt cheap.. you could live like a king on next to nothing...
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1925 on: September 08, 2018, 12:45:41 PM »
apparently, Cooper wasn't very appealing to the stews...



Edit: I meant the stews didn't find Cooper attractive...I mistakenly wrote they thought he was...
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« Reply #1926 on: September 08, 2018, 12:52:47 PM »
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apparently, Cooper was very appealing to the stews...

They also had to redo the "bing" sketch..
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1927 on: September 08, 2018, 01:39:00 PM »
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Sheridan reveals the bank account, delves into the parachute details.  Was he toying with the investigators?

The FBI was unaware of the numbered bank account. Details regarding the dummy reserve strike me as simply not knowing what is public information. I do not believe he was toying with investigators, however, he has not explicitly denied being Cooper to the FBI which I consider odd. Even when he was asked on the History Channel documentary if he had been asked about being Cooper by the FBI he laughed it off and said, "I'm a nice guy."

If it was a secret numbered bank account how can it be confirmed? (SP statements are unreliable)

and legislation passed in Jan 1971 but it wasn't implemented until 1972.. not started by (at least) March 1972..

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Sheridan's comments are absolutely reliable. I have yet to find a single example of him exaggerating about anything that he has done. When he says he did something, he did it. His memory is a steel trap and he remembers things in great detail

The Act was passed in 1970 and implemented January 1, 1971.


Bill in 1970..
Passed in 1971
(numbered accounts) Implemented beyond March 1972.

Now, he may have had a numbered account later, but they weren't offered as of March 1972.â€

I'm not sure where you're getting this.

The Banking Act of 1970 was passed in 1970. It was implemented January 1, 1971.

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Again, if the news report is accurate, then banks actually started to offer numbered accounts shortly after March of 1972--four months after the hijacking. This would mean that Sheridan was incorrect when he stated that he opened the account in 1971. Obviously, this is entirely possible and not a big deal.

The other aspect that is noteworthy is that by the time Sheridan opened the numbered account--again, somewhere after March 1972 if the article is accurate--he had not been working for at least 19 months. Needless to say, this is odd.

I keep hearing about SP having this numbered account. How do you know this ? Have you seen any evidence of him having this numbered account ?

I know this because he said so.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1928 on: September 08, 2018, 02:28:03 PM »
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Sheridan reveals the bank account, delves into the parachute details.  Was he toying with the investigators?

The FBI was unaware of the numbered bank account. Details regarding the dummy reserve strike me as simply not knowing what is public information. I do not believe he was toying with investigators, however, he has not explicitly denied being Cooper to the FBI which I consider odd. Even when he was asked on the History Channel documentary if he had been asked about being Cooper by the FBI he laughed it off and said, "I'm a nice guy."

If it was a secret numbered bank account how can it be confirmed? (SP statements are unreliable)

and legislation passed in Jan 1971 but it wasn't implemented until 1972.. not started by (at least) March 1972..

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Sheridan's comments are absolutely reliable. I have yet to find a single example of him exaggerating about anything that he has done. When he says he did something, he did it. His memory is a steel trap and he remembers things in great detail

The Act was passed in 1970 and implemented January 1, 1971.


Bill in 1970..
Passed in 1971
(numbered accounts) Implemented beyond March 1972.

Now, he may have had a numbered account later, but they weren't offered as of March 1972.â€

I'm not sure where you're getting this.

The Banking Act of 1970 was passed in 1970. It was implemented January 1, 1971.

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Again, if the news report is accurate, then banks actually started to offer numbered accounts shortly after March of 1972--four months after the hijacking. This would mean that Sheridan was incorrect when he stated that he opened the account in 1971. Obviously, this is entirely possible and not a big deal.

The other aspect that is noteworthy is that by the time Sheridan opened the numbered account--again, somewhere after March 1972 if the article is accurate--he had not been working for at least 19 months. Needless to say, this is odd.

I keep hearing about SP having this numbered account. How do you know this ? Have you seen any evidence of him having this numbered account ?

I know this because he said so.
Ok. I’m just not into accepting something as factual when there is no collaboration. We know that there’s a lot of people who take pride in being a D B Cooper suspect. Even our own 377 said a lot of his Skyjumping friends were flattered when they were interviewed by FBI and he felt slightly hurt that nobody interviewed him. As proof that there are many individuals who want to be COOP is how many death bed confessions we already have. SP is,a,good suspect but his saying he had a numbered account doesn’t make it a fact ! JMHO
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1929 on: September 08, 2018, 03:01:44 PM »
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Sheridan reveals the bank account, delves into the parachute details.  Was he toying with the investigators?

The FBI was unaware of the numbered bank account. Details regarding the dummy reserve strike me as simply not knowing what is public information. I do not believe he was toying with investigators, however, he has not explicitly denied being Cooper to the FBI which I consider odd. Even when he was asked on the History Channel documentary if he had been asked about being Cooper by the FBI he laughed it off and said, "I'm a nice guy."

If it was a secret numbered bank account how can it be confirmed? (SP statements are unreliable)

and legislation passed in Jan 1971 but it wasn't implemented until 1972.. not started by (at least) March 1972..

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Sheridan's comments are absolutely reliable. I have yet to find a single example of him exaggerating about anything that he has done. When he says he did something, he did it. His memory is a steel trap and he remembers things in great detail

The Act was passed in 1970 and implemented January 1, 1971.


Bill in 1970..
Passed in 1971
(numbered accounts) Implemented beyond March 1972.

Now, he may have had a numbered account later, but they weren't offered as of March 1972.â€

I'm not sure where you're getting this.

The Banking Act of 1970 was passed in 1970. It was implemented January 1, 1971.

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Again, if the news report is accurate, then banks actually started to offer numbered accounts shortly after March of 1972--four months after the hijacking. This would mean that Sheridan was incorrect when he stated that he opened the account in 1971. Obviously, this is entirely possible and not a big deal.

The other aspect that is noteworthy is that by the time Sheridan opened the numbered account--again, somewhere after March 1972 if the article is accurate--he had not been working for at least 19 months. Needless to say, this is odd.

I keep hearing about SP having this numbered account. How do you know this ? Have you seen any evidence of him having this numbered account ?

I know this because he said so.
Ok. I’m just not into accepting something as factual when there is no collaboration. We know that there’s a lot of people who take pride in being a D B Cooper suspect. Even our own 377 said a lot of his Skyjumping friends were flattered when they were interviewed by FBI and he felt slightly hurt that nobody interviewed him. As proof that there are many individuals who want to be COOP is how many death bed confessions we already have. SP is,a,good suspect but his saying he had a numbered account doesn’t make it a fact ! JMHO

Fair enough. But here are some important things to consider:

1) Sheridan has avoided anything that could implicate him in this matter. Why would he lie about this?

2) His autobiography (slightly fictionalized) refers to a Swiss Bank numbered account.

3) He did not work for 2 1/2 years while living in Nepal. Meanwhile he had two children born there and a wife to support. How did he handle this with zero income?

4) Sheridan's employment was very on-again-off-again and he made little for than $5,000 in any one year leading up to moving to Nepal.

5) After leaving Nepal Sheridan spent time in Vietnam, Hong Kong, China, Russia, Papua New Guinea, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran and the United States that we know of. Not to mention that the numbered account would have to have been opened in Switzerland. How does he afford this considering he was travelling with his children?

6) Sheridan also revealed that he regularly lent money and got taken advantage of financially during his time in Asia. Again, where did this money come from?

7) I cannot find one instance where Sheridan commented about doing something that wasn't true--skydiving in China for his 71st birthday, sport jumping in Vietnam during the war, experimenting with bat wings decades before this was approved by the USPA, witnessing Tienanmen Square Massacre, setting up a Freedom School in Mississippi during the 1965 Race Riots, etc. Yet we're asked to believe that a comment about a numbered account is a lie?

Frankly, this is just scratching the surface when it comes to Sheridan. There is no debating that Sheridan has not been publicly cleared by the FBI by virtue of his DNA comparison with Cooper even though the other two, Weber and LD, have. Furthermore, there is no debating that Larry Carr in 2009 took up an interest in Sheridan going as far as speaking with him and buying his book without telling Sheridan that he was an FBI agent, oh by the way, the FBI agent heading up NORJAK at that point. Of course, there is also the FBI travelling to California, Washington and Nepal to investigate Sheridan...twice.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1930 on: September 09, 2018, 11:54:59 AM »
just as many other unsolved crimes occur most have plenty of myths, twists & turns...I use the Alcatraz escape a lot in my comments when foul play is a possibility...there's another that has always interested me and that's the gunfight at the OK Corral..this has been unresolved since 1881...one side claims murder, while the other claims self defense. the original transcripts of the court hearings almost got thrown away..the last good show I watched about this concluded that it was possible that Doc Holiday started the whole thing when he pulled back the levers on his double barrel shotgun..

The area was very small..I have included the only known picture of the lot from the back...the second pic is one that Wyatt made with extreme detail showing where all parties were at during the battle. Wyatt out lived them all passing in 1929..137 years have passed and still no definitive answers or exactly what happened in those 30 seconds of time have ever been given on a real conclusion..I don't think it's possible in this case...

The final pic was taken in the 30's I believe showing the front view of the crime scene...the water ditch in Wyatt's drawing can still be seen...Fly's photography would of been to the left.several fires destroyed most of the original Tombstone years before that photo was taken.
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« Reply #1931 on: September 09, 2018, 03:53:48 PM »
If you ever watch "cold case files" or any show similar you will see a pattern...the pattern is something overlooked, or inaccurate. this case is loaded with mistakes..different jump points, which is understandable to a degree due to new information coming in shortly after the crime..the failure to get a good position of when Cooper jumped has haunted them...I've heard agents say "we had no idea where he jumped" then the money pops up out of nowhere confusing things even further..lots of theories but nothing all agree on what so ever...same for his survival...they put the jump area basically in a long stretch f the flight path from above Merwin lake all the way to the Columbia...that's a huge margin of error IMO.

It can appear he survived looking in from the outside, but did he really? it's very possible, and it's very possible he went into the Columbia, or is lying in the thickets they couldn't penetrate, I don't know one way or the other since they really don't have all the answers themselves.

That's what we are here for. to try and gain some sense into all of this...
 
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« Reply #1932 on: September 09, 2018, 04:30:15 PM »
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If you ever watch "cold case files" or any show similar you will see a pattern...the pattern is something overlooked, or inaccurate. this case is loaded with mistakes..different jump points, which is understandable to a degree due to new information coming in shortly after the crime..the failure to get a good position of when Cooper jumped has haunted them...I've heard agents say "we had no idea where he jumped" then the money pops up out of nowhere confusing things even further..lots of theories but nothing all agree on what so ever...same for his survival...they put the jump area basically in a long stretch f the flight path from above Merwin lake all the way to the Columbia...that's a huge margin of error IMO.

It can appear he survived looking in from the outside, but did he really? it's very possible, and it's very possible he went into the Columbia, or is lying in the thickets they couldn't penetrate, I don't know one way or the other since they really don't have all the answers themselves.

That's what we are here for. to try and gain some sense into all of this...

yes, most of this case is not based in facts but assumptions..

One lesser theory (of several) I have been exploring is the possibility of Cooper jumping later in the Willamette Valley. The flightpath followed close to the Willamette River for some time through Oregon.. upstream of TBAR. The time close the Willamette River would increase the probability of it being a transportation source for the money.

That would mean that the pressure bump/oscillation would have been caused by Cooper going back up the airtairs into the plane.

I even tried to decipher that "possible" code in the "possible" letter 717171684*.. using a military geolocation system.

It may be a spot in the Willamette Valley on a tree farm.. north of Eugene and West of I5, a real real long shot but hey who knows? If I lived closer and had a metal detector I'd go check it out..


Though I still think it more likely he jumped near the FBI LZ...


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« Reply #1933 on: September 09, 2018, 04:41:40 PM »
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If you ever watch "cold case files" or any show similar you will see a pattern...the pattern is something overlooked, or inaccurate. this case is loaded with mistakes..different jump points, which is understandable to a degree due to new information coming in shortly after the crime..the failure to get a good position of when Cooper jumped has haunted them...I've heard agents say "we had no idea where he jumped" then the money pops up out of nowhere confusing things even further..lots of theories but nothing all agree on what so ever...same for his survival...they put the jump area basically in a long stretch f the flight path from above Merwin lake all the way to the Columbia...that's a huge margin of error IMO.

It can appear he survived looking in from the outside, but did he really? it's very possible, and it's very possible he went into the Columbia, or is lying in the thickets they couldn't penetrate, I don't know one way or the other since they really don't have all the answers themselves.

That's what we are here for. to try and gain some sense into all of this...
Well said about that many cold cases overlook simple things and so I wonder why nobody seems to follow something simple that I think COULD have easily happened. It’s a FACT that Cooper’s caper originated in Portland and no one gave him a ride via commercial Transportation. It also appears that Cooper had planned this caper in advance and certainly had some knowledge of area, 727 and Skyjumping. Was he an expert at any of those ? Debatable but certainly not a total novice. I think it’s very possible that his escape vehicle was in Portland area as that’s where his caper started so how did he get back to Portland ? There are only Two bridges that cross the Columbia river. One is I 5 and it has a 9 man crew monitoring it 24/7 as it’s a draw bridge. The more likely is the railroad bridge and quite a bit more clandestine to cross. I think Coop could have jumped nearer to Battleground area and easily walked out via railroad tracks which go right through that area. His intention would be to cross Columbia to where he parked his car. How did some of the money end in the Columbia and eventually Tina Bar ?
Well Ive been taking the ride over this busy and long bridge. It’s very hard to dodge train without crouching into an occasional little crevice below the tracks. If EU says Cooper ACCIDENTLY dropped a few bundles at Tina Bar, I see no problem with a few bundles falling into the Columbia river as he’s hiding from train. This would not require a deviation from flight path V 23.
 
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« Reply #1934 on: September 09, 2018, 05:46:09 PM »
It's all speculation..we have no idea if he took a connecting flight to Portland using another alias. after speaking with one of the agents that was there,(T-bar) it's hard for me to believe they contaminated the area that bad. yes, it was 1971 and you clearly see a lot of mistakes like allowing the media to mix right into the crime scene. we also have no idea he had planned to jump where he did. he had no idea where they were..if he had a radio they surely would of been well aware of his presents listening in..

The silence on the radio is troubling...you read reports of low flying jets people thought was 305 but more than likely it was the fighters making the houses shake searching the area...

McCoy was spot on due to his acting like a co-pilot from the back of the plane putting him very close to where he wanted to land..
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