Yes I realize you and a lot of others BELIEVE he intended to jump in Seattle area ! However it’s just a belief and actually nobody knows  where he planned to jump. I believe there are far more reasons to jump elsewhere. The Woodland, Battleground area is less populated and of course far closer to where his caper originated. Why did he need an escape vehicle ? Well that’s a no brainer unless he had an accomplice. I would think he didn’t go to all this work, planning and danger without having a plan for escaping !

The obvious question then becomes: How did Cooper know that they would fly over Woodland, Battleground or Portland?

How did Cooper know that the pilots didn't take a route along the coast--this was actually discussed--or a route that brought them over to the Tri-Cities area then down to Reno from there?

Moreover, what does Cooper do with his escape vehicle in Portland if he has to abort the hijacking? Does he turn right around and attempt to fly back to Portland that evening? If he can't get a flight back to Portland that evening what is he going to do in Seattle?

Furthermore, doesn't his choice of attire become questionable if he actually planned to jump over Woodland or Battleground?

Truth be told, Cooper didn't care what route they took to Reno because he was planning on jumping in the Seattle area. Additionally, he also wasn't concerned about where he was going to stay in Seattle if he had to abort, or his attire jumping in the outskirts of Seattle.

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Yes I realize you and a lot of others BELIEVE he intended to jump in Seattle area ! However it’s just a belief and actually nobody knows  where he planned to jump. I believe there are far more reasons to jump elsewhere. The Woodland, Battleground area is less populated and of course far closer to where his caper originated. Why did he need an escape vehicle ? Well that’s a no brainer unless he had an accomplice. I would think he didn’t go to all this work, planning and danger without having a plan for escaping !

The obvious question then becomes: How did Cooper know that they would fly over Woodland, Battleground or Portland?

How did Cooper know that the pilots didn't take a route along the coast--this was actually discussed--or a route that brought them over to the Tri-Cities area then down to Reno from there?

Moreover, what does Cooper do with his escape vehicle in Portland if he has to abort the hijacking? Does he turn right around and attempt to fly back to Portland that evening? If he can't get a flight back to Portland that evening what is he going to do in Seattle?

Furthermore, doesn't his choice of attire become questionable if he actually planned to jump over Woodland or Battleground?

Truth be told, Cooper didn't care what route they took to Reno because he was planning on jumping in the Seattle area. Additionally, he also wasn't concerned about where he was going to stay in Seattle if he had to abort, or his attire jumping in the outskirts of Seattle.

Truth be told ? Really ? You know this to be the truth just exactly how ? You really have no idea nor do I what exactly Cooper was thinking or planning on doing ! As for what to do with his escape vehicle in Portland should he have to abort ? Seems to me that once he gives the ransom note to the Stew, he’s kinda locked into following through or else it’s over for him. If he aborts before he hands the note to Stew, he can do whatever he pleases as he’s committed no crime ! I’m not sure why his attire in Seattle area is far better for him there than in Woodland, Battleground area ? He’s jumping out of a plane with a parachute ! Landing in a populated area on the outskirts of Seattle is far more visible than landing in a remote area like Woodland or Battleground or Orchards !
How did he know he was in the general area around Battleground ? Ask the Pilots how they all saw the Lights of Vancouver and Portland approaching out of their Right window. They either made it up or the visibility was not as dismal as the FBI wanted us to believe it was. What IF they decided to fly over the Pacific ? Well that would have been very risky plan and why should we waste times pondering “ what If the pilot disobeyed Cooper’s order “ ?

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Pocket knives are normal and carried by a lot of people..I'm one of them..Cooper would of blended right in with the public..nothing would stick out of the norm with him to be noticed by people to recall him..security would never notice a man in a suit at the airport as unusual, I don't see what you are getting at..he didn't cause any alarms to go off while getting the ticket or boarding..?

My point is that every plane that flew into PDX that day as well as Cabs and Limo’s were alerted! You actually think that this exact guy flew into Portland on another flight that day wearing that exact suit and tie and carrying that briefcase and a bag and not a single person noticed the similarity ? Really ? Logic tells me he didn’t fly into PDX on another flight that day ! Also If he did fly in from out of town, where was his getaway vehicle ? In San Diego, San Francisco, in Las,Vegas, in Chicago ? How was he planning on escaping ? Let’s keep it simple as many of your cold cases showed actually happened ! His caper originated in Portland as far as we KNOW. it’s a very real Possibility his escape vehicle was also somewhere in Portland area. Tons of very discreet places to park your vehicle in Portland without anyone paying any attention to. In 1971 the area around Portland Air Base and Airport was VERY remote ! I know as I spent 6 years there in Oregon ANG.

What I know with absolute certainty is that Cooper arrived at PDX somehow. Apparently this went unnoticed. All options are therefore still on the table.

Why did he need an escape vehicle?

Finally, I believe Cooper originally intended to jump in the outskirts of Seattle and had already planned what his move from there was going to be. Likewise, if he had aborted the hijacking--for example if the back row of seats wasn't available--I think he would have deplaned in Seattle and utilized those same Seattle plans.

Yes I realize you and a lot of others BELIEVE he intended to jump in Seattle area ! However it’s just a belief and actually nobody knows  where he planned to jump. I believe there are far more reasons to jump elsewhere. The Woodland, Battleground area is less populated and of course far closer to where his caper originated. Why did he need an escape vehicle ? Well that’s a no brainer unless he had an accomplice. I would think he didn’t go to all this work, planning and danger without having a plan for escaping !

I don't believe he intended to jump in the US.. let alone the PNW. A PNW jump was plan B.

He wasn't dressed for a PNW jump.
His initial request was to land in Mexico for refuelling.
He gave no flight path instructions.
He DID NOT initially request the rear airstairs down. He asked for Tina to lower them in flight.

Actually I do have an idea of what Cooper was thinking because he said, didn't say, did and didn't do certain things. In light of what I previously stated, isn't it obvious he intended to jump in the outskirts of Seattle?

No, it's not obvious. Cooper's actions had the effect of keeping people guessing way into the future. Sometimes very confidently, yet still guessing.

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Pocket knives are normal and carried by a lot of people..I'm one of them..Cooper would of blended right in with the public..nothing would stick out of the norm with him to be noticed by people to recall him..security would never notice a man in a suit at the airport as unusual, I don't see what you are getting at..he didn't cause any alarms to go off while getting the ticket or boarding..?

My point is that every plane that flew into PDX that day as well as Cabs and Limo’s were alerted! You actually think that this exact guy flew into Portland on another flight that day wearing that exact suit and tie and carrying that briefcase and a bag and not a single person noticed the similarity ? Really ? Logic tells me he didn’t fly into PDX on another flight that day ! Also If he did fly in from out of town, where was his getaway vehicle ? In San Diego, San Francisco, in Las,Vegas, in Chicago ? How was he planning on escaping ? Let’s keep it simple as many of your cold cases showed actually happened ! His caper originated in Portland as far as we KNOW. it’s a very real Possibility his escape vehicle was also somewhere in Portland area. Tons of very discreet places to park your vehicle in Portland without anyone paying any attention to. In 1971 the area around Portland Air Base and Airport was VERY remote ! I know as I spent 6 years there in Oregon ANG.

What I know with absolute certainty is that Cooper arrived at PDX somehow. Apparently this went unnoticed. All options are therefore still on the table.

Why did he need an escape vehicle?

Finally, I believe Cooper originally intended to jump in the outskirts of Seattle and had already planned what his move from there was going to be. Likewise, if he had aborted the hijacking--for example if the back row of seats wasn't available--I think he would have deplaned in Seattle and utilized those same Seattle plans.

Yes I realize you and a lot of others BELIEVE he intended to jump in Seattle area ! However it’s just a belief and actually nobody knows  where he planned to jump. I believe there are far more reasons to jump elsewhere. The Woodland, Battleground area is less populated and of course far closer to where his caper originated. Why did he need an escape vehicle ? Well that’s a no brainer unless he had an accomplice. I would think he didn’t go to all this work, planning and danger without having a plan for escaping !

I don't believe he intended to jump in the US.. let alone the PNW. A PNW jump was plan B.

He wasn't dressed for a PNW jump.
His initial request was to land in Mexico for refuelling.
He gave no flight path instructions.
He DID NOT initially request the rear airstairs down. He asked for Tina to lower them in flight.

Of course he requested the airstairs down upon takeoff.

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Pocket knives are normal and carried by a lot of people..I'm one of them..Cooper would of blended right in with the public..nothing would stick out of the norm with him to be noticed by people to recall him..security would never notice a man in a suit at the airport as unusual, I don't see what you are getting at..he didn't cause any alarms to go off while getting the ticket or boarding..?

My point is that every plane that flew into PDX that day as well as Cabs and Limo’s were alerted! You actually think that this exact guy flew into Portland on another flight that day wearing that exact suit and tie and carrying that briefcase and a bag and not a single person noticed the similarity ? Really ? Logic tells me he didn’t fly into PDX on another flight that day ! Also If he did fly in from out of town, where was his getaway vehicle ? In San Diego, San Francisco, in Las,Vegas, in Chicago ? How was he planning on escaping ? Let’s keep it simple as many of your cold cases showed actually happened ! His caper originated in Portland as far as we KNOW. it’s a very real Possibility his escape vehicle was also somewhere in Portland area. Tons of very discreet places to park your vehicle in Portland without anyone paying any attention to. In 1971 the area around Portland Air Base and Airport was VERY remote ! I know as I spent 6 years there in Oregon ANG.

What I know with absolute certainty is that Cooper arrived at PDX somehow. Apparently this went unnoticed. All options are therefore still on the table.

Why did he need an escape vehicle?

Finally, I believe Cooper originally intended to jump in the outskirts of Seattle and had already planned what his move from there was going to be. Likewise, if he had aborted the hijacking--for example if the back row of seats wasn't available--I think he would have deplaned in Seattle and utilized those same Seattle plans.

Yes I realize you and a lot of others BELIEVE he intended to jump in Seattle area ! However it’s just a belief and actually nobody knows  where he planned to jump. I believe there are far more reasons to jump elsewhere. The Woodland, Battleground area is less populated and of course far closer to where his caper originated. Why did he need an escape vehicle ? Well that’s a no brainer unless he had an accomplice. I would think he didn’t go to all this work, planning and danger without having a plan for escaping !

I don't believe he intended to jump in the US.. let alone the PNW. A PNW jump was plan B.

He wasn't dressed for a PNW jump.
His initial request was to land in Mexico for refuelling.
He gave no flight path instructions.
He DID NOT initially request the rear airstairs down. He asked for Tina to lower them in flight.

Of course he requested the airstairs down upon takeoff.

NOPE, not initially. He initially wanted/requested Tina to lower the Airstairs..

There was a discussion later between the pilots and Cooper regarding the airstairs down on takeoff but no evidence that Cooper initiated it vs the crew trying to get Tina off the plane. It looks like the Airstairs down on take off was a LATER discussion to get Tina off the plane.

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Pocket knives are normal and carried by a lot of people..I'm one of them..Cooper would of blended right in with the public..nothing would stick out of the norm with him to be noticed by people to recall him..security would never notice a man in a suit at the airport as unusual, I don't see what you are getting at..he didn't cause any alarms to go off while getting the ticket or boarding..?

My point is that every plane that flew into PDX that day as well as Cabs and Limo’s were alerted! You actually think that this exact guy flew into Portland on another flight that day wearing that exact suit and tie and carrying that briefcase and a bag and not a single person noticed the similarity ? Really ? Logic tells me he didn’t fly into PDX on another flight that day ! Also If he did fly in from out of town, where was his getaway vehicle ? In San Diego, San Francisco, in Las,Vegas, in Chicago ? How was he planning on escaping ? Let’s keep it simple as many of your cold cases showed actually happened ! His caper originated in Portland as far as we KNOW. it’s a very real Possibility his escape vehicle was also somewhere in Portland area. Tons of very discreet places to park your vehicle in Portland without anyone paying any attention to. In 1971 the area around Portland Air Base and Airport was VERY remote ! I know as I spent 6 years there in Oregon ANG.

What I know with absolute certainty is that Cooper arrived at PDX somehow. Apparently this went unnoticed. All options are therefore still on the table.

Why did he need an escape vehicle?

Finally, I believe Cooper originally intended to jump in the outskirts of Seattle and had already planned what his move from there was going to be. Likewise, if he had aborted the hijacking--for example if the back row of seats wasn't available--I think he would have deplaned in Seattle and utilized those same Seattle plans.

Yes I realize you and a lot of others BELIEVE he intended to jump in Seattle area ! However it’s just a belief and actually nobody knows  where he planned to jump. I believe there are far more reasons to jump elsewhere. The Woodland, Battleground area is less populated and of course far closer to where his caper originated. Why did he need an escape vehicle ? Well that’s a no brainer unless he had an accomplice. I would think he didn’t go to all this work, planning and danger without having a plan for escaping !

I don't believe he intended to jump in the US.. let alone the PNW. A PNW jump was plan B.

He wasn't dressed for a PNW jump.
His initial request was to land in Mexico for refuelling.
He gave no flight path instructions.
He DID NOT initially request the rear airstairs down. He asked for Tina to lower them in flight.

Of course he requested the airstairs down upon takeoff.

NOPE, not initially. He initially wanted Tina to lower the Airstairs..

There was a discussion later between the pilots and Cooper regarding the airstairs down on takeoff but no evidence that Cooper initiated it vs the crew trying to get Tina off the plane.

Cooper told Tina that all of the stewardesses would be able to leave the jet once his demands were met.

Cooper stated he wanted the airstairs deployed during take-off.

The pilots said the jet could not take-off with the airstairs deployed.

Cooper said, "yes they can, but they can lower them once airborne" or words to that effect.

It was because Cooper needed Tina to show him how to deploy the airstairs that she could not deplane in Seattle with Florence and Alice.

Once they took off from Seattle and Tina showed Cooper how to lower the stairs she was sent up front and was no longer needed.

Cooper lowered the stairs several minutes after take-off.

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Pocket knives are normal and carried by a lot of people..I'm one of them..Cooper would of blended right in with the public..nothing would stick out of the norm with him to be noticed by people to recall him..security would never notice a man in a suit at the airport as unusual, I don't see what you are getting at..he didn't cause any alarms to go off while getting the ticket or boarding..?

My point is that every plane that flew into PDX that day as well as Cabs and Limo’s were alerted! You actually think that this exact guy flew into Portland on another flight that day wearing that exact suit and tie and carrying that briefcase and a bag and not a single person noticed the similarity ? Really ? Logic tells me he didn’t fly into PDX on another flight that day ! Also If he did fly in from out of town, where was his getaway vehicle ? In San Diego, San Francisco, in Las,Vegas, in Chicago ? How was he planning on escaping ? Let’s keep it simple as many of your cold cases showed actually happened ! His caper originated in Portland as far as we KNOW. it’s a very real Possibility his escape vehicle was also somewhere in Portland area. Tons of very discreet places to park your vehicle in Portland without anyone paying any attention to. In 1971 the area around Portland Air Base and Airport was VERY remote ! I know as I spent 6 years there in Oregon ANG.

What I know with absolute certainty is that Cooper arrived at PDX somehow. Apparently this went unnoticed. All options are therefore still on the table.

Why did he need an escape vehicle?

Finally, I believe Cooper originally intended to jump in the outskirts of Seattle and had already planned what his move from there was going to be. Likewise, if he had aborted the hijacking--for example if the back row of seats wasn't available--I think he would have deplaned in Seattle and utilized those same Seattle plans.

Yes I realize you and a lot of others BELIEVE he intended to jump in Seattle area ! However it’s just a belief and actually nobody knows  where he planned to jump. I believe there are far more reasons to jump elsewhere. The Woodland, Battleground area is less populated and of course far closer to where his caper originated. Why did he need an escape vehicle ? Well that’s a no brainer unless he had an accomplice. I would think he didn’t go to all this work, planning and danger without having a plan for escaping !

I don't believe he intended to jump in the US.. let alone the PNW. A PNW jump was plan B.

He wasn't dressed for a PNW jump.
His initial request was to land in Mexico for refuelling.
He gave no flight path instructions.
He DID NOT initially request the rear airstairs down. He asked for Tina to lower them in flight.

Of course he requested the airstairs down upon takeoff.

NOPE, not initially. He initially wanted Tina to lower the Airstairs..

There was a discussion later between the pilots and Cooper regarding the airstairs down on takeoff but no evidence that Cooper initiated it vs the crew trying to get Tina off the plane.

Cooper told Tina that all of the stewardesses would be able to leave the jet once his demands were met.

Cooper stated he wanted the airstairs deployed during take-off.

The pilots said the jet could not take-off with the airstairs deployed.

Cooper said, "yes they can, but they can lower them once airborne" or words to that effect.

It was because Cooper needed Tina to show him how to deploy the airstairs that she could not deplane in Seattle with Florence and Alice.

Once they took off from Seattle and Tina showed Cooper how to lower the stairs she was sent up front and was no longer needed.

Cooper lowered the stairs several minutes after take-off.

That is an overgeneralization.. Cooper originally asked for airstairs lowered in flight. LATER discussed lowered on take off. I believe it was to allow Tina off the plane but we don't know if Cooper or the Pilots initiated idea.

read the attachments in post #3104 and #3105

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