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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1260 on: September 24, 2017, 01:44:41 PM »
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Does anyone know the identifiable feature or characteristic of Cooper according to the college student sitting across the aisle from Cooper?  It seems I read somewhere he had an unusual feature according to him but not seen this since.

In an interview he gave with the WSHS he referred to Cooper as having a double chin, like a "turkey gobble" if this is what you mean. Believe he said something similar to the FBI back in '71.
Other members here please correct me if I am wrong.
 

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« Reply #1261 on: September 24, 2017, 02:24:51 PM »
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Does anyone know the identifiable feature or characteristic of Cooper according to the college student sitting across the aisle from Cooper?  It seems I read somewhere he had an unusual feature according to him but not seen this since.

In an interview he gave with the WSHS he referred to Cooper as having a double chin, like a "turkey gobble" if this is what you mean. Believe he said something similar to the FBI back in '71.
Other members here please correct me if I am wrong.

You are correct.  Mitchell, the college student, reportedly said that Cooper had a "turkey gobble" neck.  No one else who saw Cooper apparently made such an observation.
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1262 on: September 24, 2017, 02:29:25 PM »
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Does anyone know the identifiable feature or characteristic of Cooper according to the college student sitting across the aisle from Cooper?  It seems I read somewhere he had an unusual feature according to him but not seen this since.

In an interview he gave with the WSHS he referred to Cooper as having a double chin, like a "turkey gobble" if this is what you mean. Believe he said something similar to the FBI back in '71.
Other members here please correct me if I am wrong.

"turkey gobble" referred to a hanging flap or pouch of skin BELOW the person's chin extending to the neck area. It's a poor somewhat confusing phrase to use and the fact they did not include this in the sketches and description is plain stupid and defeating! The logic for withholding this detail, Gray says, was to distinguish fakes from the real Cooper. But how many witnesses included the turkey neck in their descriptions? We will never know. Some did and some didn't? But, either he did have this feature or he didn't! A valid comparison would be to ask: did he have a right arm or didn't he!?  It is not a superficial worthless detail! And this debate about it is stupid beyond belief.

The correct term is Turkey Neck not turkey gobble. Did he have a turkey penis? The feature is a layer of subcutaneous fat located below the chin bone at the anterior neck which is covered by sagging or stretched skin, creating a redundancy, making the owner appear as if he/she has a second or third chin or a sagging pouch hanging below the chin which is independent of the neck but which adjoins to the neck.

BTW such features can be associated with aging.

Keep in mind, Mitchell gave a totally different description of Cooper's cloths and dress! Russet red suit jacket. Shabby disheveled appearance as if he had slept in the streets over night. Everyone else seemed to miss these glaring details. The young stud Mitchel says he was pissed the stews were paying ("the old guy") Cooper so much attention while ignoring the young college stud Mitchel - Mitchel confesses. Mitchel says he kept looking over at Cooper and Mucklow etal basically asking: what has this guy got that I dont have ... to get a date! ? The whole thing leaves one wondering just where the hormone driven young stud Mitchel's head was at ... but Gray is quick to pick up on this one lone witnesses' description for all the controversy it can generate ... at the Cooperland horse betting Race Track!    :rofl:   Where is Gray's head at?  :nono:
 
Of all the suspects so far Mel Wilson's chin-neck looks the most like what Gray is describing? And look at Mel's right ear in this mug shot - what is going on with that!?
   
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1263 on: September 24, 2017, 03:37:01 PM »
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Does anyone know the identifiable feature or characteristic of Cooper according to the college student sitting across the aisle from Cooper?  It seems I read somewhere he had an unusual feature according to him but not seen this since.

In an interview he gave with the WSHS he referred to Cooper as having a double chin, like a "turkey gobble" if this is what you mean. Believe he said something similar to the FBI back in '71.
Other members here please correct me if I am wrong.

You are correct.  Mitchell, the college student, reportedly said that Cooper had a "turkey gobble" neck.  No one else who saw Cooper apparently made such an observation.

Its one more possible detail we can't put in perspective. Does the FBI have a perspective on this, or ten thousand perspectives? Ten thousand agents on the head of a pin.

Which authority do we listen to? Or is it a million people with a million opinions and facts?

I guess we will have to ask BRIAN INGRAM who was 8 years old at the time.  :congrats:
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1264 on: September 24, 2017, 05:22:15 PM »
Another option is Bill Mitchell is lying.

The more I study the behavior of the passengers and the crew post-skyjacking I grow more suspect of the narratives presented by Mitchell and the flight attendants.

Increasingly, the Cooper characteristics attributed to Mitchell suggest a "revisionist" view of DB Cooper. Gray adds to this scenario immeasurably by publicly calling DBC a " schlub," a Yiddish term for a guy who is disheveled, sloppy, and off-putting.

Bill Mitchell says he was sitting in 18B, but no one else can confirm that. Further, FBI documents place Robert Gregory in 18C, and also DB Cooper in 18C, which is what Himmelsbach writes and others tout. Clearly there is confusion on this issue.

Fellow passenger Mike Cooper is a solid guy, whereas Bill Mitchell is not, for he is finicky about whom he talks with and why. Mike says he was sitting near or next to Cooper, but doesn't recall exactly what row - only that it was across the aisle from Coop. I problem-solved the seating scenarios with Mike and suggested that he might have been in 17 A or B, and he said, "maybe." When I asked Mike if he remembers the folks who sat around him, he said he couldn't, which I find disappointing but at least it's a honest answer when so many comments from principals do not feel 100% truthful.

Schlubs and Turkey Necks are not the image of a conventional business man, as posited by so many eye-witnesses. Certainly not the image of the "gentleman" who sat next to Tina for hours and whom some passengers thought was a NWO VIP dead-heading back to Seattle for the holidays, as Mike Cooper believed.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1265 on: September 24, 2017, 05:29:14 PM »
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Keep in mind, Mitchell gave a totally different description of Cooper's cloths and dress! Russet red suit jacket....


My information is different, Georger. Robert Gregory is the passenger identified in FBI docs (and GG) as the guy saying DB Cooper was wearing a russet sports coat - along with having marcelled hair, being 35-38 years old, and standing only 5'8". All outliers.

Mitchell's descriptions of Cooper are actually vague - an old guy with a turkey gobble.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1266 on: September 24, 2017, 08:02:09 PM »
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Of all the suspects so far Mel Wilson's chin-neck looks the most like what Gray is describing?

Ill offer up Wolfgang here....
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« Reply #1267 on: September 24, 2017, 11:32:34 PM »
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Keep in mind, Mitchell gave a totally different description of Cooper's cloths and dress! Russet red suit jacket....


My information is different, Georger. Robert Gregory is the passenger identified in FBI docs (and GG) as the guy saying DB Cooper was wearing a russet sports coat - along with having marcelled hair, being 35-38 years old, and standing only 5'8". All outliers.

Mitchell's descriptions of Cooper are actually vague - an old guy with a turkey gobble.

ok tnx for the update on the update and the update on the update ................... is there any other conversation going on in Humanity you wish to DOMINATE? :conspiracy:
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1268 on: September 25, 2017, 01:55:25 AM »
No. I am very content DOMINATING this conversation.

Thanks for asking.
 

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« Reply #1269 on: September 25, 2017, 02:44:51 AM »
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Does anyone know the identifiable feature or characteristic of Cooper according to the college student sitting across the aisle from Cooper?  It seems I read somewhere he had an unusual feature according to him but not seen this since.

In an interview he gave with the WSHS he referred to Cooper as having a double chin, like a "turkey gobble" if this is what you mean. Believe he said something similar to the FBI back in '71.
Other members here please correct me if I am wrong.

"turkey gobble" referred to a hanging flap or pouch of skin BELOW the person's chin extending to the neck area. It's a poor somewhat confusing phrase to use and the fact they did not include this in the sketches and description is plain stupid and defeating! The logic for withholding this detail, Gray says, was to distinguish fakes from the real Cooper. But how many witnesses included the turkey neck in their descriptions? We will never know. Some did and some didn't? But, either he did have this feature or he didn't! A valid comparison would be to ask: did he have a right arm or didn't he!?  It is not a superficial worthless detail! And this debate about it is stupid beyond belief.

The correct term is Turkey Neck not turkey gobble. Did he have a turkey penis? The feature is a layer of subcutaneous fat located below the chin bone at the anterior neck which is covered by sagging or stretched skin, creating a redundancy, making the owner appear as if he/she has a second or third chin or a sagging pouch hanging below the chin which is independent of the neck but which adjoins to the neck.

BTW such features can be associated with aging.

Keep in mind, Mitchell gave a totally different description of Cooper's cloths and dress! Russet red suit jacket. Shabby disheveled appearance as if he had slept in the streets over night. Everyone else seemed to miss these glaring details. The young stud Mitchel says he was pissed the stews were paying ("the old guy") Cooper so much attention while ignoring the young college stud Mitchel - Mitchel confesses. Mitchel says he kept looking over at Cooper and Mucklow etal basically asking: what has this guy got that I dont have ... to get a date! ? The whole thing leaves one wondering just where the hormone driven young stud Mitchel's head was at ... but Gray is quick to pick up on this one lone witnesses' description for all the controversy it can generate ... at the Cooperland horse betting Race Track!    :rofl:   Where is Gray's head at?  :nono:
 
Of all the suspects so far Mel Wilson's chin-neck looks the most like what Gray is describing? And look at Mel's right ear in this mug shot - what is going on with that!?
   


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« Reply #1270 on: September 25, 2017, 05:41:16 PM »
Good one, ML. First chuckle of the day!
 

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« Reply #1271 on: September 25, 2017, 11:25:32 PM »
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Good one, ML. First chuckle of the day!

Take a can of Campbell's soup to your local food pantry for Puerto Rico! Maybe you will feel better.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1272 on: September 25, 2017, 11:35:57 PM »
Usually I'm the guy going to the Food Bank for my own can o' soup. But the experiences of survival in Puerto Rico these days are akin to what is forecasted for the PNW if we ever have The Big One.
 

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« Reply #1273 on: September 26, 2017, 12:24:49 PM »
Speaking of disaster relief, I used to be a regular contributor to the Red Cross but no more. They lack street smarts and have lost my trust. I still give, but to other more efficient orgs, not them. I gave generously to the Red Cross for Haiti relief and it looks like most of it went into the pockets of corrupt officials. The charity will not provide a list of specific programs it ran, how much they cost or what their expenses were. So "yes miss, I do have a grudge."

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« Reply #1274 on: September 26, 2017, 04:41:27 PM »
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Speaking of disaster relief, I used to be a regular contributor to the Red Cross but no more. They lack street smarts and have lost my trust. I still give, but to other more efficient orgs, not them. I gave generously to the Red Cross for Haiti relief and it looks like most of it went into the pockets of corrupt officials. The charity will not provide a list of specific programs it ran, how much they cost or what their expenses were. So "yes miss, I do have a grudge."

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