You can read FBI 64, p. 306 if you still don't believe these are from the 302s. In that document, which I posted and you clearly didn't read, it said, "Lost communications on NWA communications frequency (131.9)."

There's no reason to discuss redactions because everything here is quite clearly represented in the 302s or ARINC TTY.

The original source of the documents is the ARINC teletype transcripts.  And again, there is nothing in those transcripts to indicate when the airliner was assigned 131.9 or whose frequency it was in the first place.

Can you explain how 131.9 got involved in the hijacking?

It’s literally there in the source document I provided: FBI 64, p. 306.

It’s from Paul Soderlind’s notes provided to the FBI. You do know who Paul Soderlind is, right?

As a matter of fact, I am aware of Paul Soderlind.  But the original source is still the ARINC teletype transcripts. 

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It’s literally there in the source document I provided: FBI 64, p. 306.

It’s from Paul Soderlind’s notes provided to the FBI. You do know who Paul Soderlind is, right?

As a matter of fact, I am aware of Paul Soderlind.  But the original source is still the ARINC teletype transcripts.

No, the source is Paul Soderlind's notes while he was on the phone patch with the crew which he provided to the FBI.

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Attached are images from charts that I requested from the National Archives. They are from the Enroute High Altitude charts dated October 14th, 1971. As Dr. Edwards states in the blog post above, it is now conclusive that when the R2 handed off 305 at 7:59pm, he did so to the wrong radar operator. He handed 305 off to the high altitude R16 sector rather than the R4 sector manned by Cliff Ammerman. Eventually, at 8:13 pm, the crew of Flight 305 began communicating with Ammerman as the R5 operator. As a result, if Bill Rataczak shouted "There he goes! Mark it on your shrimp boats!" between 7:59 and 8:13, he was likely speaking into dead air.

Any evidence pertaining to the jump is only contained within the transcript of the comms between 305 and Flight Operations. Those comms are confirmed to exist by Larry Carr, but so far have been unreleased by the FBI.

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Attached are images from charts that I requested from the National Archives. They are from the Enroute High Altitude charts dated October 14th, 1971. As Dr. Edwards states in the blog post above, it is now conclusive that when the R2 handed off 305 at 7:59pm, he did so to the wrong radar operator. He handed 305 off to the high altitude R16 sector rather than the R4 sector manned by Cliff Ammerman. Eventually, at 8:13 pm, the crew of Flight 305 began communicating with Ammerman as the R5 operator. As a result, if Bill Rataczak shouted "There he goes! Mark it on your shrimp boats!" between 7:59 and 8:13, he was likely speaking into dead air.

Any evidence pertaining to the jump is only contained within the transcript of the comms between 305 and Flight Operations. Those comms are confirmed to exist by Larry Carr, but so far have been unreleased by the FBI.

Chaucer, the NWA 305 flight crew is NOT going to be talking to dead air for 14 minutes.  Who they were talking to during that period of time has been redacted from the Seattle ATC transcripts per Larry Carr's statement that you quote above.

This redaction is just one of 19 redactions in the Seattle transcripts.  What was going on in this and the other 18 redactions?  That is something that the FBI, FAA, and/or NWA does not want released.  I got the run around from the FBI when attempting to obtain the unredacted Seattle transcripts even with the assistance of my Congressman and senior executives in the FBI.

Carr's acknowledgment that unredacted copies of the Seattle transcripts exist is the first admission of that from FBI sources.  And I am sure that some current posters on this site, as well as previous posters here, are going to try to dismiss this as nonsense due to their own agendas.

Chaucer, some months ago you told me that you were going to contact Rataczak.  How did that go?

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That is something that the FBI, FAA, and/or NWA does not want released.

This would have to be the case right out of the gate, why, because Paul S. would see locations to gather information for the possible dropzone. if they were not redacted, how was he so wrong when locations were given or obvious things said that have been removed, plus they were listening?

Why would the FBI hold this back making them spend hundreds of thousands of dollars looking in the wrong location. In cases like this they rely on experts telling them important facts surrounding the crime. they didn't rely on NWO to catch Cooper, not there job.

The FAA is neutral and probably handed over the transcripts outside of what NWO already had and sent to the FBI?

Why would NWO cover up the location they spent a lot of time on. no other hijackings had such conspiracy theories attached to them.

Now, I can see them removing things they think would be damaging but how did Paul miss this info we don't see, it doesn't fly?

The FBI has a decades old rule, much like other law enforcement by not releasing info on an open case, even semi-open. it is what it is.

Lots of departments would be part of this conspiracy, the FBI, NWO, FAA, Portland, Reno, The flight crew etc.

In a nutshell, none of the above wanted the case solved and all paid way more than the $200,000 to cover it up?

One can only speculate on the reasons the unredacted Seattle ATC transcripts have not been released.  But those transcripts exist and are in the public domain.  They should look similiar to the Oakland transcripts.

Robert,
You are correct.  The other explanation is that 305 WAS communicating with R16 from 7:59 to 8:13 but that those comms were never transcribed because the person transcribing was only provided with the low altitude comms fully unaware of the error R2 made in passing 305 off to R16. Thus, 305 was in comms with high altitude R16, but those comms were never transcribed.

However, considering that 133.9 mHz was out of Redmond, OR which is on the other side of the Cascades, it is unlikely that 305 would be able to raise them.

Also, I am unaware of Larry Carr's statement about redactions in the ATC transcripts. What he has said to me is that there exists transcriptions of comms between Flight Ops in Minneapolis and Flight 305, and that he has read them. He expects them to be released soon.

Could you please provide the source of your claim that Larry Carr said anything about redactions?

Chaucer, if Air Traffic Controller (not radar controller) R16 never heard from NWA 305 then they could not be communicating.  If after trying to contact someone on 133.9 several times and getting no response, the airliner would revert to the previous controller and explain the situation.  And I am sure the previous controller would get the matter cleared up in less than 60 seconds and provide the correct frequency for the next controller.  These communications should be in the Seattle ATC transcripts. 

Gerald H. Osterkamp, the Chief of the Seattle Air Traffic Control Center, certified that his original communication transcripts were between NWA 305 and controllers R2, R5, R6, and R10 and included everything that was recorded relevant to the hijacking.  Since all of the air traffic communications are recorded, it is obvious that some have been redacted.  And the number of redactions in the Seattle transcripts totals 19.

You are now saying that Larry Carr was only referring to the communications over the ARINC frequency, which is not an air traffic control frequency.  The redactions that Carr was apparently referring to would be the missing transcripts in the ARINC teletype transcripts that the WSHM detected in their examination of the roll of ARINC teletype transcripts from the George Harrison family that they were able to examine.

The Larry Carr comments have been cited in your own previous posts as I noted in earlier posts.

For your information, the FBI listed the FAA as one of the organizations that did not want to release any further information on the Seattle ATC transcripts as a result of my FOIAs.  And a FOIA direct to the FAA was also unproductive.

The end result remains that there are 19 unexplained redactions in the Seattle ATC transcripts.

Any evidence pertaining to the jump is only contained within the transcript of the comms between 305 and Flight Operations. Those comms are confirmed to exist by Larry Carr, but so far have been unreleased by the FBI.

Chaucer, the above quote is from your post #8106 above.

As I have previously explained, Larry Carr is talking about the ARINC teletype transcripts and NOT the Seattle ATC radio transcripts.

The "unreleased comms" Carr mentioned have to include the "missing" teletype transcripts that the WSHM people identified during their study of the George Harrison papers which included a roll of ARINC teletype transcripts related to the hijacking.