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Offline Robert99

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7320 on: September 13, 2021, 11:32:01 PM »
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well, I think I'm all caught up on whatever is new or new to discuss.

Honestly, I don't think anything has changed since the last time I checked in.

sure it's nice to have more solid confirmation of certain things from the fbi files.
it's sad seeing how much misleading information came out of fbi spokesmen over the years.
I think just because the information wasn't analyzed or curated very well.

But I don't see any new information that actually leads anywhere. Sure it's interesting to drill into something just to get more detail.

But there's a difference between "more detail" and whether any of it really matters.
I think I've not seen anything new that matters


To put a point on it. for all the talk about clues, evidence etc.
To have it be me, this year, to be the first to publish the full ransom list in text form, and show that there were typos by the FBI......

that's ridiculous.

It shows how crappy all of the evidence trail is.

I kind of laugh in the general direction of the voice actors that are going to lecture us using math. (in an English accent).

Snowmman, how do you like your crow?  Baked, boiled, barbecued, raw?  And how about side dishes?

I have heard unverified rumors that you may have some screenwriting experience.  If so, would you care to list some of your writings that made it into productions?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7321 on: September 13, 2021, 11:46:02 PM »
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Snowmman, how do you like your crow?  Baked, boiled, barbecued, raw?  And how about side dishes?

I have heard unverified rumors that you may have some screenwriting experience.  If so, would you care to list some of your writings that made it into productions?

oh sure, it's fine if I'm wrong. No problem with eating crow.
Screenplays by me? That's the first time I've heard that rumor. Yes you're right, I have written no screenplays that have made it into production.
I have not sung on broadway.
I have not skydived naked.
Other than that, yeah, I've pretty much done everything else.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7322 on: September 18, 2021, 08:31:09 AM »
I was looking at the FBI document below from Tom Colbert's site.  From page 11 of the PDF through page 18, they are looking at a suspect who was brought to their attention by another Northwest Orient Flight crew.  Apparently, the day before the hijacking, November 23rd, 1971, there was a man on another NWA flight who was asking the crew about everything that Cooper wound up instructing the flight 305 crew to do in order for him to jump: Flap settings, landing gear lowered, feasibility of parachuting from the rear.  It's all heavily redacted of course.

They seem to follow up and obtain a picture and intend to show it to a witness, but it kind of stops there.  I presume they eliminate the suspect?

Has anyone seen this before ?  What are the odds that the day before the actual hijacking, someone was inquiring about how to jump from a 727 and it not be related ? I was just curious if the Vortex has seen this before and had any additional context on it.

I believe there was another similar type event that happened in earlier November where there was someone asking similar questions claiming to be some type of movie producer who was writing and trying to find out these details as well.  I believe that is completely separate from this event I am talking about.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7323 on: September 18, 2021, 02:39:05 PM »
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I was looking at the FBI document below from Tom Colbert's site.  From page 11 of the PDF through page 18, they are looking at a suspect who was brought to their attention by another Northwest Orient Flight crew.  Apparently, the day before the hijacking, November 23rd, 1971, there was a man on another NWA flight who was asking the crew about everything that Cooper wound up instructing the flight 305 crew to do in order for him to jump: Flap settings, landing gear lowered, feasibility of parachuting from the rear.  It's all heavily redacted of course.

They seem to follow up and obtain a picture and intend to show it to a witness, but it kind of stops there.  I presume they eliminate the suspect?

Has anyone seen this before ?  What are the odds that the day before the actual hijacking, someone was inquiring about how to jump from a 727 and it not be related ? I was just curious if the Vortex has seen this before and had any additional context on it.

I believe there was another similar type event that happened in earlier November where there was someone asking similar questions claiming to be some type of movie producer who was writing and trying to find out these details as well.  I believe that is completely separate from this event I am talking about.

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116-cv-01790 – 164A-SE-81 Section 1, Part 2A (11/26/71 to 11/28/71; 118 pages)

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Part 2A?  Where has this been all along?   Lets keep this to ourselves for a while.  :rofl:
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7324 on: September 18, 2021, 05:22:29 PM »
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I was looking at the FBI document below from Tom Colbert's site.  From page 11 of the PDF through page 18, they are looking at a suspect who was brought to their attention by another Northwest Orient Flight crew.  Apparently, the day before the hijacking, November 23rd, 1971, there was a man on another NWA flight who was asking the crew about everything that Cooper wound up instructing the flight 305 crew to do in order for him to jump: Flap settings, landing gear lowered, feasibility of parachuting from the rear.  It's all heavily redacted of course.

They seem to follow up and obtain a picture and intend to show it to a witness, but it kind of stops there.  I presume they eliminate the suspect?

Has anyone seen this before ?  What are the odds that the day before the actual hijacking, someone was inquiring about how to jump from a 727 and it not be related ? I was just curious if the Vortex has seen this before and had any additional context on it.

I believe there was another similar type event that happened in earlier November where there was someone asking similar questions claiming to be some type of movie producer who was writing and trying to find out these details as well.  I believe that is completely separate from this event I am talking about.

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116-cv-01790 – 164A-SE-81 Section 1, Part 2A (11/26/71 to 11/28/71; 118 pages)

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Part 2A?  Where has this been all along?   Lets keep this to ourselves for a while.  :rofl:


oooppss, my bad.  LOL..pretty funny  ! 
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7325 on: September 18, 2021, 10:44:13 PM »
hunh?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7326 on: September 18, 2021, 11:46:24 PM »
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I was looking at the FBI document below from Tom Colbert's site.  From page 11 of the PDF through page 18, they are looking at a suspect who was brought to their attention by another Northwest Orient Flight crew.  Apparently, the day before the hijacking, November 23rd, 1971, there was a man on another NWA flight who was asking the crew about everything that Cooper wound up instructing the flight 305 crew to do in order for him to jump: Flap settings, landing gear lowered, feasibility of parachuting from the rear.  It's all heavily redacted of course.

They seem to follow up and obtain a picture and intend to show it to a witness, but it kind of stops there.  I presume they eliminate the suspect?

Has anyone seen this before ?  What are the odds that the day before the actual hijacking, someone was inquiring about how to jump from a 727 and it not be related ? I was just curious if the Vortex has seen this before and had any additional context on it.

I believe there was another similar type event that happened in earlier November where there was someone asking similar questions claiming to be some type of movie producer who was writing and trying to find out these details as well.  I believe that is completely separate from this event I am talking about.

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116-cv-01790 – 164A-SE-81 Section 1, Part 2A (11/26/71 to 11/28/71; 118 pages)

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Your snippet from your (Document Name) 116-cv-01790 – 164A-SE-81 Section 1, Part 2A (11/26/71 to 11/28/71; 118 pages): is a two page document. Pages 011-012, DBC 1773-4 in Part 2A. Here are both pages attached. Interesting and a good find! I wonder how this was resolved? Thanks ...

The sighting is from a Nov 23rd NWA flight, the day before the hijacking. What flight was that? Being reported out of the Minneapolis Office? Questions passenger asked are a fit with Cooper hijacking.  Description fits Cooper ?

Anything further about this that you know of? Obviously folks at NWA were on the hunt and referring incidents they remembered to the FBI. Looks like this person was identified and investigated?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7327 on: September 19, 2021, 08:52:02 AM »
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hunh?

I thought Georger was gently and comedically letting me know that my post was embarrassingly referencing old stuff that had been discussed and resolved long ago :-) 

So, I thought that was funny.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7328 on: September 19, 2021, 12:40:34 PM »
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hunh?

I thought Georger was gently and comedically letting me know that my post was embarrassingly referencing old stuff that had been discussed and resolved long ago :-) 

So, I thought that was funny.

JAG: It was a good post.  I went back and reviewed the documents and realized that it's probably been close to 4 years since I first read that, and it being the second set I read, I don't even remember what I thought.  I sense that this suspect may have been vetted at some point as the documents seem to hint at that.  But then again you never know.  You're right about another person on a flight in California posing as a movie producer. 

It's good to get a fresh set of eyes on those 302's. 

On another note on the 302's. I FOIA'd the Elsinore jump cards and got the standard response back that they have already released the info. Technically this is true, but all the info was redacted and they did not release all the jump cards.
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7329 on: September 19, 2021, 02:35:14 PM »
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On this subject who asked "what degree of flaps would be necessary to slow it down; what effect lowering the wheels would have on the speed; whether the rear ladder could be opened in flight" etc

in fbi file page 195 (attached)...the statements are repeated about the unsub.

Three witnessses, apparently in seattle, viewed his photo and "indicate he is not the subject".

This was 12/1/71. I wonder what witnesses would have viewed the photo in Seattle then?

But it also seems to suggest that Chicago interview the unsub?
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« Reply #7330 on: September 19, 2021, 02:35:47 PM »
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hunh?

I thought Georger was gently and comedically letting me know that my post was embarrassingly referencing old stuff that had been discussed and resolved long ago :-) 

So, I thought that was funny.

Not true. Georger has never seen Part 2A before or this document. This is all new to me. How did it get resolved or did it? Anyone know?

There seem to be as many myths and myth makers focusing on G as there is about DB Cooper!

This doc could be a breakthrough document if its true! How did the world miss this!?   
 

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« Reply #7331 on: September 19, 2021, 02:36:47 PM »
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hunh?

I thought Georger was gently and comedically letting me know that my post was embarrassingly referencing old stuff that had been discussed and resolved long ago :-) 

So, I thought that was funny.

Not true. Georger has never seen Part 2A before or this document. This is all new to me. How did it get resolved or did it? Anyone know?

There seem to be as many myths and myth makers focusing on G as there is about DB Cooper!

This doc could be a breakthrough document if its true! How did the world miss this!?

that unsub is mentioned in other fbi files. See my prior post
 
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« Reply #7332 on: September 19, 2021, 02:41:06 PM »
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hunh?

I thought Georger was gently and comedically letting me know that my post was embarrassingly referencing old stuff that had been discussed and resolved long ago :-) 

So, I thought that was funny.

Not true. Georger has never seen Part 2A before or this document. This is all new to me. How did it get resolved or did it? Anyone know?

There seem to be as many myths and myth makers focusing on G as there is about DB Cooper!

This doc could be a breakthrough document if its true! How did the world miss this!?

that unsub is mentioned in other fbi files. See my prior post

Does it look to you like the original complaint was filed with Minneapolis?   .......  or Chicago? 

No statement about which NWA flight it was ??
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7333 on: September 19, 2021, 02:50:51 PM »
The same reports being quoted from the "2A" file are in fbi file 11 page 305-310
(DB Cooper-1773 through 1780)

DB Cooper-1777, 1778, 1781 pages are  apparently not in the file for some reason.

SAC J. E. Milnes was writing the reports on this unsub, apparently. (initials J E M)
 
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« Reply #7334 on: September 19, 2021, 03:03:53 PM »
page 309 is interesting. SAC J. E. Milnes wrote it saying

"SA <redacted> from Chicago called and advised that they had interviewed a former Agent now with FAA who advised that very likely the photograph of <redacted> would be sent to the FAA Headquarters in Washington. I told him that if we did not get a photograph of him [apparently referencing the "RE: <redacted>" subject] from <redacted> then we would try to get one from Washington."


seems to suggest that the suspect had a picture with FAA somehow? maybe pilot or ??


on page 310, it says the suspect was fingerprinted by the "Civil Service Commission on <redacted> and has FBI <redacted>"

not sure what that all means

then on page 311 SA Charles E. Farrell writes up a description of a suspect, who has a long arrest record.

it's not clear if it's the same suspect. The writeup is on 11/27/71
it references someone "said <redacted>" on November 8, 1971

then there's a handwritten "Open File on Suspect"

But the next page talks about sending a photo to witnesses at Seattle. Says photo is to be returned to Tacoma Police Dept. So they must have got a photo from Tacoma Police..

could be a different suspect, but could be the same suspect.

all of those reports from 11/27/71
 
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