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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6360 on: April 18, 2021, 06:54:12 PM »
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Agree - in addition Flo's comment about C putting on sun glasses during that period clearly indicates C did not arrive and was seen by people without sunglasses, his eyes and eye color were seen, contrary to the EU narrative about C always having sun glasses on, from the airport to him departing the plane! No document says that. EU needs to start reading documents instead of making his own stories up . . .   here is the whole page from which FJ posted a piece earlier today.

Cooper's eye color is a fundamental part of every witnesses' testimony regarding Description.

Like every other suspect flipper, its obvious what EU is trying to do. EU is faced with dismissing his suspects' 'blue eyes' so EU's move is to claim Nobody saw Cooper's eyes at all!  It's like Blevins' claim 'cabins of airplanes bounce light around so nothing appears normal - height, weight, eye color, even skin color' !  EU, R99, and RMB all use similar tactics.     

A sure sign that you've annihilated someone in a debate is when they start to bald face lie.

I have never stated anything along the lines that DBC wore sunglasses the entire time from the airport until he departed the jet. If you are so sure that I've stated anything even close to that GEORGER I am once again willing to make the $100 wager to the charity of the winner's choice bet that I've offered several times before. Of course, you'll decline because you are full of shit and you know it.

Finally, if you are so damn brilliant with respect to DBC's eye color, how about you explain why the FBI apparently decided to waste a shit ton of time and resources tracking down, interviewing, obtaining DNA and presumably testing the DNA of Sheridan Peterson? The FBI just didn't have anything better to do that day? They thought Sheridan had brown eyes then realized they made a mistake?

Finally, please explain why the FBI description says DBC's eyes are "possibly brown," their words not mine?

I almost feel guilty debating your sorry ass because you never win. You never come up with the goods. You just troll, bully and talk shit.

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« Reply #6361 on: April 18, 2021, 07:19:43 PM »
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If a 94 year old man can comb the woods in the Pacific Northwest for Bigfoot even now, the guy who had hairs investigated by the FBI, why don't all of you on here get some damn metal detectors, set the at 2 foot depth, and GET OUT THERE!!!!!!!  Take a day from your conference and get out there and beat the woods where they suspected him to fall.  Go back to Tena Bar and get an army out there with metal detectors. Its better than head banging on here daily and not being able to get Tina or Florence to join you.  You need Mucklow.  She does not need you.  But I would think she would have some curiosity.  Get her a metal detector too!!!!  LOL :chr2:

Good to know someone else thinks this is worthwhile

Great post!  The woods have been searched in the location(s) where the Powers That Be thought Cooper landed and they did not find one single thing.

A limited area around the money location at Tena Bar has been searched with metal detectors and nothing was found there either.

But a larger search just upstream of the money location would definitely be worthwhile in my always humble opinion.  The total area to be searched is quite a bit less than one-half of a square mile.  There are some non-profit organizations that do such searches in connection with law enforcement activities.  These organizations also use equipment such as ground-penetrating radar.  Such equipment would be ideal for such a search.

Would you know of such an organization or anyone who would be interested in participating in such a search?
 

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« Reply #6362 on: April 18, 2021, 07:21:43 PM »
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If a 94 year old man can comb the woods in the Pacific Northwest for Bigfoot even now, the guy who had hairs investigated by the FBI, why don't all of you on here get some damn metal detectors, set the at 2 foot depth, and GET OUT THERE!!!!!!!  Take a day from your conference and get out there and beat the woods where they suspected him to fall.  Go back to Tena Bar and get an army out there with metal detectors. Its better than head banging on here daily and not being able to get Tina or Florence to join you.  You need Mucklow.  She does not need you.  But I would think she would have some curiosity.  Get her a metal detector too!!!!  LOL :chr2:



Great post!  The woods have been searched in the location(s) where the Powers That Be thought Cooper landed and they did not find one single thing.

A limited area around the money location at Tena Bar has been searched with metal detectors and nothing was found there either.

But a larger search just upstream of the money location would definitely be worthwhile in my always humble opinion.  The total area to be searched is quite a bit less than one-half of a square mile.  There are some non-profit organizations that do such searches in connection with law enforcement activities.  These organizations also use equipment such as ground-penetrating radar.  Such equipment would be ideal for such a search.

Would you know of such an organization or anyone who would be interested in participating in such a search?

Good to know someone agrees.  Sorry about the mistake post previously
 

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« Reply #6363 on: April 18, 2021, 07:30:51 PM »
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Yuma had a population right around 30,000 in 1971. Not a large, well-known airport.

Perhaps, Cooper chose it because it is as close to the Mexican border as possible. It does seem an odd choice considering other larger, better know locations he could have had in mind.

Chaucer, the airliner could not make it to Yuma from Seattle in the configuration that Cooper specified.  In fact, there was doubt that the airliner would be able to make it to Reno. The flight crew was only told when they were in the Portland area that the performance engineers in Minneapolis were estimating that they would be able to make it to Reno.
 

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« Reply #6364 on: April 18, 2021, 07:47:04 PM »
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GEORGER, stop being so fucking stupid and argumentative.

Read Tina's 302. She clearly describes DBC sitting in 18 E with the bank bag in one chair and the attache' case in the other as they take-off from Seattle.

Then Tina is ordered up front.

This means that DBC had to get up from the chair, don the main, attach the dummy reserve in some manner, attach the money bag and attach the attache' case--because they're all gone--and jump.

. . .

Georger, you should give FlyJack credit for posting the above FBI document over on DZ earlier today.  You didn't come up with it.

BS . you are full; of bs. I merely posted FJ's clip from the page to save time.  Any NEW news about your stupid placard ANALIS?  Any more complaints ?  :rofl:

If Georger has been paying any attention for the last 11 years, he knows that I pointed out the problems with the so-called FBI flight path in my very first post on DropZone in 2010.  Previous to that, I had done the same thing for Sluggo. 

I had never heard of the placard until some time later when Tom Kaye gave me the GPS coordinates for where it had been found and asked me to do a free fall analysis of it.  I did an extremely conservative analysis of the distance it would have traveled based on the information that was available at that time. 

Since then, Tom Kaye has come up with more accurate winds aloft data and EU has obtained more accurate data on the placard's weight and dimensions.  Using the new data, EU and I did separate analyses that indicated the placard drifted much further than my original estimate.

Although it supports what is now called the Western Flight Path, the placard's location is not needed to verify that flight path. 
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« Reply #6365 on: April 18, 2021, 07:58:03 PM »
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Yuma had a population right around 30,000 in 1971. Not a large, well-known airport.

Perhaps, Cooper chose it because it is as close to the Mexican border as possible. It does seem an odd choice considering other larger, better know locations he could have had in mind.

Chaucer, the airliner could not make it to Yuma from Seattle in the configuration that Cooper specified.  In fact, there was doubt that the airliner would be able to make it to Reno. The flight crew was only told when they were in the Portland area that the performance engineers in Minneapolis were estimating that they would be able to make it to Reno.
I know. I’m not saying Cooper actually planned on going to Mexico City or San Francisco or Yuma or Phoenix. I’m merely wondering why he would offer those destinations rather than others - particularly a small town like Yuma. If I had to know 50 American cities, I’d doubt I’d even think of Yuma. So what significance did it have for him.
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« Reply #6366 on: April 18, 2021, 08:15:05 PM »
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Now we're being sold a bill of goods that DBC was sitting in 18 E while wearing the main parachute?


I can't speak to what happened when during the flight, but you seem to be indicating that it would not be feasible for Cooper to sit in the seat with one of the rigs on. Such is not the case. Remember, he does not have a sport main, but a bailout rig. Sport mains of the day would be thick and bulky, and it would indeed be awkward to sit in the seat with one of those on. But not so with the bailout rig. Those are thinner. Pilots wear them while sitting in their seats.
 

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« Reply #6367 on: April 18, 2021, 08:37:03 PM »
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Now we're being sold a bill of goods that DBC was sitting in 18 E while wearing the main parachute?


I can't speak to what happened when during the flight, but you seem to be indicating that it would not be feasible for Cooper to sit in the seat with one of the rigs on. Such is not the case. Remember, he does not have a sport main, but a bailout rig. Sport mains of the day would be thick and bulky, and it would indeed be awkward to sit in the seat with one of those on. But not so with the bailout rig. Those are thinner. Pilots wear them while sitting in their seats.

Obviously it would be very awkward for DBC to tell the pilots "we're heading to Mexico City" but during our 12-hour flight via Reno, and probably Phoenix, I'll just wear a parachute. Moreover, Tina mentions nothing of him wearing the parachute.
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« Reply #6368 on: April 18, 2021, 11:47:27 PM »
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Now we're being sold a bill of goods that DBC was sitting in 18 E while wearing the main parachute?


I can't speak to what happened when during the flight, but you seem to be indicating that it would not be feasible for Cooper to sit in the seat with one of the rigs on. Such is not the case. Remember, he does not have a sport main, but a bailout rig. Sport mains of the day would be thick and bulky, and it would indeed be awkward to sit in the seat with one of those on. But not so with the bailout rig. Those are thinner. Pilots wear them while sitting in their seats.

Obviously it would be very awkward for DBC to tell the pilots "we're heading to Mexico City" but during our 12-hour flight via Reno, and probably Phoenix, I'll just wear a parachute. Moreover, Tina mentions nothing of him wearing the parachute.

7:54 pm    t1   
MSP:      As soon as reasonably sure the man has left the quicker you can land.
305:       Roger. Miss Mucklow said he apparently has the knapsack around him
and thinks he will attempt a jump. 

MSP:      Roger. After leaving this freq go to 131.8 we have direct phone patch
There (to Company and FBI)
305:       Roger.


there is more but Im tired of supplying unwanted factual wallpaper to your mythological DB Cooper production.  Consider having R99 play Cooper.  Or MARLA! No Marla should play Tina. Both names end in 'A' - there is cabalistic demonology in that.  If not Marla then Sophia Cappola - she works cheap!
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« Reply #6369 on: April 18, 2021, 11:50:48 PM »
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Now we're being sold a bill of goods that DBC was sitting in 18 E while wearing the main parachute?


I can't speak to what happened when during the flight, but you seem to be indicating that it would not be feasible for Cooper to sit in the seat with one of the rigs on. Such is not the case. Remember, he does not have a sport main, but a bailout rig. Sport mains of the day would be thick and bulky, and it would indeed be awkward to sit in the seat with one of those on. But not so with the bailout rig. Those are thinner. Pilots wear them while sitting in their seats.


Finally! somebody addresses that point! Congrats ................. its only been years waiting.  :congrats:

I'll leave it at that.

* Ive always wondered where or how did C sit or relax once he had a chute on? Did he lay on the floor waiting ?  Lean on the wall? Slump in the Lav? Float in the air? :rofl:
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« Reply #6370 on: April 19, 2021, 12:05:27 AM »
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Now we're being sold a bill of goods that DBC was sitting in 18 E while wearing the main parachute?


I can't speak to what happened when during the flight, but you seem to be indicating that it would not be feasible for Cooper to sit in the seat with one of the rigs on. Such is not the case. Remember, he does not have a sport main, but a bailout rig. Sport mains of the day would be thick and bulky, and it would indeed be awkward to sit in the seat with one of those on. But not so with the bailout rig. Those are thinner. Pilots wear them while sitting in their seats.

Obviously it would be very awkward for DBC to tell the pilots "we're heading to Mexico City" but during our 12-hour flight via Reno, and probably Phoenix, I'll just wear a parachute. Moreover, Tina mentions nothing of him wearing the parachute.

Tosaw's book, page 32, fourth paragraph from the top, states that Tina watched Cooper put on a backpack parachute "just looking as though it were an everyday occurrence".  This was after all the other people had left.
 

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« Reply #6371 on: April 19, 2021, 12:08:11 AM »
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Now we're being sold a bill of goods that DBC was sitting in 18 E while wearing the main parachute?


I can't speak to what happened when during the flight, but you seem to be indicating that it would not be feasible for Cooper to sit in the seat with one of the rigs on. Such is not the case. Remember, he does not have a sport main, but a bailout rig. Sport mains of the day would be thick and bulky, and it would indeed be awkward to sit in the seat with one of those on. But not so with the bailout rig. Those are thinner. Pilots wear them while sitting in their seats.

Obviously it would be very awkward for DBC to tell the pilots "we're heading to Mexico City" but during our 12-hour flight via Reno, and probably Phoenix, I'll just wear a parachute. Moreover, Tina mentions nothing of him wearing the parachute.

Tosaw's book, page 32, fourth paragraph from the top, states that Tina watched Cooper put on a backpack parachute "just looking as though it were an everyday occurrence".  This was after all the other people had left.

Chutes fall down hill.  ;)  Good night Ivene.
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« Reply #6372 on: April 19, 2021, 12:20:48 AM »
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GEORGER, stop being so fucking stupid and argumentative.

Read Tina's 302. She clearly describes DBC sitting in 18 E with the bank bag in one chair and the attache' case in the other as they take-off from Seattle.

Then Tina is ordered up front.

This means that DBC had to get up from the chair, don the main, attach the dummy reserve in some manner, attach the money bag and attach the attache' case--because they're all gone--and jump.

. . .

Georger, you should give FlyJack credit for posting the above FBI document over on DZ earlier today.  You didn't come up with it.

BS . you are full; of bs. I merely posted FJ's clip from the page to save time.  Any NEW news about your stupid placard ANALIS?  Any more complaints ?  :rofl:

If Georger has been paying any attention for the last 11 years, he knows that I pointed out the problems with the so-called FBI flight path in my very first post on DropZone in 2010.  Previous to that, I had done the same thing for Sluggo. 

I had never heard of the placard until some time later when Tom Kaye gave me the GPS coordinates for where it had been found and asked me to do a free fall analysis of it.  I did an extremely conservative analysis of the distance it would have traveled based on the information that was available at that time. 

Since then, Tom Kaye has come up with more accurate winds aloft data and EU has obtained more accurate data on the placard's weight and dimensions.  Using the new data, EU and I did separate analyses that indicated the placard drifted much further than my original estimate.

Although it supports what is now called the Western Flight Path, the placard's location is not needed to verify that flight path.
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« Reply #6373 on: April 19, 2021, 12:33:08 AM »

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You just troll, bully and talk shit.
You mean like calling someone “fucking stupid”? Or bragging that you “annihilated” someone in a debate? Or sarcastically saying you “feel bad” for someone? Or mocking someone’s “sorry ass” for never “coming up with the goods”.

I distinctly remember you whining to Shutter not long ago about being “attacked” when I and others were factually and unemotionally challenging your assertions on the WFP.

Apparently, EU has impunity for the same things he does to others. Your cognitive dissonance is matched only by your hubris.

Oh, by the way, if you could point out in any of the interviews or 302s where Cooper’s eye color is described as “blue” or “possibly blue”, that’d be great. Thanks.
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« Reply #6374 on: April 19, 2021, 12:58:37 AM »
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You just troll, bully and talk shit.
You mean like calling someone “fucking stupid”? Or bragging that you “annihilated” someone in a debate? Or sarcastically saying you “feel bad” for someone? Or mocking someone’s “sorry ass” for never “coming up with the goods”.

I distinctly remember you whining to Shutter not long ago about being “attacked” when I and others were factually and unemotionally challenging your assertions on the WFP.

Apparently, EU has impunity for the same things he does to others. Your cognitive dissonance is matched only by your hubris.

Oh, by the way, if you could point out in any of the interviews or 302s where Cooper’s eye color is described as “blue” or “possibly blue”, that’d be great. Thanks.

Oh I see. If someone doesn't just take it up the ass and actually bites back they're the bully, troll and prick? How rich coming from you.

The files don't have to say "possibly blue." They just have to say "possibly brown." Why? Because you and others are asserting that DBC's eye color was brown and only brown. Another idiot gets rolled.

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