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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6390 on: April 19, 2021, 11:07:32 PM »
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Damn, that’s terrible. Where was it last located?

Flyjack might know for sure, I recall it being in connection to the Las Vegas division.

Within the past few minutes, FlyJack has posted (#63592) on DropZone on this matter.  Check his post out for information on this matter.  That hair sample may still exist.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6391 on: April 19, 2021, 11:46:50 PM »
Well, not exactly. It existed in 1974 in the FBI office in LA of all places. In 2002, the FBI Seattle office inquired to LA about it’s whereabouts with apparently no answer.

Perhaps Tom knows?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6392 on: April 20, 2021, 12:43:08 AM »
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Well, not exactly. It existed in 1974 in the FBI office in LA of all places. In 2002, the FBI Seattle office inquired to LA about it’s whereabouts with apparently no answer.

Perhaps Tom knows?

Chaucer, get your lazy ass back over to DropZone and read the entire post by FlyJack this time! 

Fer gawds sake Chaucer, the LA FBI office plainly states in their letter of July 23, 2002 that they are sending their entire Cooper file to the Seattle FBI office.  The LA FBI file case number is 164-497 and in volume 6A, 1A56, of that file are two hair samples.

All of this material was probably sent to FBI Headquarters in DC when Seattle closed the Cooper case a few years ago.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6393 on: April 20, 2021, 01:09:07 AM »
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Well, not exactly. It existed in 1974 in the FBI office in LA of all places. In 2002, the FBI Seattle office inquired to LA about it’s whereabouts with apparently no answer.

Perhaps Tom knows?

Chaucer, get your lazy ass back over to DropZone and read the entire post by FlyJack this time! 

Fer gawds sake Chaucer, the LA FBI office plainly states in their letter of July 23, 2002 that they are sending their entire Cooper file to the Seattle FBI office.  The LA FBI file case number is 164-497 and in volume 6A, 1A56, of that file are two hair samples.

All of this material was probably sent to FBI Headquarters in DC when Seattle closed the Cooper case a few years ago.
I HAVE read the posts on the DZ. Do you not see me replying to Flyjack? The file merely states that included in the investigative files is a glass slide that MIGHT be the one previously requested. Again, there’s no mention of it since 2002 and no confirmation it is the same hair found on the plane.

So, all we know is there is a hair sample in a glass slide that was sent to Seattle nearly 20 years ago that may or may not be Cooper’s.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6394 on: April 20, 2021, 01:45:46 AM »
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Well, not exactly. It existed in 1974 in the FBI office in LA of all places. In 2002, the FBI Seattle office inquired to LA about it’s whereabouts with apparently no answer.

Perhaps Tom knows?

Chaucer, get your lazy ass back over to DropZone and read the entire post by FlyJack this time! 

Fer gawds sake Chaucer, the LA FBI office plainly states in their letter of July 23, 2002 that they are sending their entire Cooper file to the Seattle FBI office.  The LA FBI file case number is 164-497 and in volume 6A, 1A56, of that file are two hair samples.

All of this material was probably sent to FBI Headquarters in DC when Seattle closed the Cooper case a few years ago.
I HAVE read the posts on the DZ. Do you not see me replying to Flyjack? The file merely states that included in the investigative files is a glass slide that MIGHT be the one previously requested. Again, there’s no mention of it since 2002 and no confirmation it is the same hair found on the plane.

So, all we know is there is a hair sample in a glass slide that was sent to Seattle nearly 20 years ago that may or may not be Cooper’s.

I did see your post on DZ but was amazed that you totally ignored the FBI remarks about the hair samples.

So the simple fact that the LA FBI office mentioned two hair samples, and gave their location in the LA Cooper files, doesn't mean anything to you? 

If the hair samples in the Cooper file are not related to the Cooper hijacking, maybe they came from the Jack the Ripper case in London.  Do you think it would be worthwhile to contact Scotland Yard?

Get real!!!
 

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« Reply #6395 on: April 20, 2021, 02:10:55 AM »
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What EU failed to tell everyone is hair color and eye color are genetically related! Cooper's sunglasses didnt do a damned thing to change his hair color under the microscope! Ooops.   The reason why these two traits are usually linked is that the genes responsible for hair and eye color happen to be close together on the same chromosomes. When genes like these are close together the traits tend to end up coming in pairs (blonde hair/blue eyes, etc.) statistically. 

Statistically, an FBI wanted poster for Richard McCoy lists his hair as brown and eyes as blue.
 

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« Reply #6396 on: April 20, 2021, 04:30:17 AM »
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What EU failed to tell everyone is hair color and eye color are genetically related! Cooper's sunglasses didnt do a damned thing to change his hair color under the microscope! Ooops.   The reason why these two traits are usually linked is that the genes responsible for hair and eye color happen to be close together on the same chromosomes. When genes like these are close together the traits tend to end up coming in pairs (blonde hair/blue eyes, etc.) statistically. 

Statistically, an FBI wanted poster for Richard McCoy lists his hair as brown and eyes as blue.

You can be put on IGNORE.

Go check it out for yourself.  When you find out you arent as smart as you think you are . . .  :rofl:   

Tell us what McCoy's lineage was ? His parents were Myrtle and Richard Floyd McCoy, Sr.  Lineage European.

DB Cooper had Brown eyes.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6397 on: April 20, 2021, 05:28:54 AM »
I believe I will let the FBI DNA comparison speak for itself once it arrives. Grand pronouncements regarding Cooper's eye color, in particular, is just plain foolishness. The only person to have seen Cooper's eyes was Flo, before the jet was hijacked. She has stated herself that she cannot be certain about DBC's eyes in the FBI files.

People are free to approach this case how they want. As for me, I will let science and facts dictate my investigation.

Simply put, if Sheridan's DNA comparison indicates an overlap whereby Sheridan cannot be eliminated as a suspect, then I am convinced he was likely DBC. This is based upon a lot of other evidence and documentation too.

If the DNA comparison indicates that Sheridan can be eliminated, then I think Sheridan likely was not DBC. This, of course, is based upon the presumption that the FBI did a reasonably good job at protecting the tie up to 2001 when the DNA was extracted, and that the samples were from a region of the tie and/or tie tack that suggest DBC was the donor.

All the rest is just agenda driven BS. Let the evidence speak for itself.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6398 on: April 20, 2021, 09:37:15 AM »
EU,
If Sheridan was tested years ago and it came back as "cannot be excluded", then why wasn't he arrested then? Why wasn't there any follow up? Any interrogation? Any search warrant issued on his property?

I just don't understand why the FBI would spend the time, money, and trouble DNA testing a guy, have it come back as a hit, and then provide absolutely no follow upon him.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6399 on: April 20, 2021, 11:29:23 AM »
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EU,
If Sheridan was tested years ago and it came back as "cannot be excluded", then why wasn't he arrested then? Why wasn't there any follow up? Any interrogation? Any search warrant issued on his property?

I just don't understand why the FBI would spend the time, money, and trouble DNA testing a guy, have it come back as a hit, and then provide absolutely no follow upon him.

Because all the DNA test can accomplish is eliminating a suspect. It is of no value in Court to prosecute someone.

It may well be that only 1 out of 1000 suspects cannot be eliminated after comparing the samples. For my purposes that's enough to say someone was DBC. On the other hand, a criminal defense attorney is going to get the FBI to admit that they're not absolutely certain that it was even DBC's tie. He'd argue there are 1000 men in America who could have owned the tie based upon population at that time--and he'd be right. Therefore, the tie as a piece of evidence would be inadmissible.

Additionally, it would be argued that the destroyed cigarette butts were exculpatory evidence further compounding the prosecution's case.

In reality, short of an outright smoking gun, the case cannot be prosecuted. When I say smoking gun, I mean either the money being found or the hand written notes from Flo being found.

Of note, you would think that if it came back that Sheridan couldn't be eliminated that the FBI would dig further into his time in Nepal. Well according to Sheridan the FBI did just said. He wrote that they investigated his time in Nepal and even interviewed the doctor who was there when his daughter was born. That said, I have never been able to prove this so I don't know one way or the other.

In either case, the FBI was never presented with Sheridan's passport--which I have photographed. And, when the FBI asked him about the whereabouts of his then-wife who could provide an alibi (or the opposite), Sheridan said she died in 1977--a claim that has apparently been proved false by multiple members of his family, including his daughter born in Nepal.

All of that said, Sheridan was never arrested or charged.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6400 on: April 20, 2021, 12:55:24 PM »
It just seems peculiar to me that if Sheridan was tested and deemed "not able to be excluded", that Carr and others would not direct their efforts at him rather than at the case in general. Peterson didn't seem like a priority for Carr and Eng. A "not able to be excluded" test should have skyrocketed Peterson to Prime Suspect in the case, yet wasn't treated as such. In fact, they continued to test and investigate others afterwards.

Based on that, I suspect Peterson's DNA test cleared him. Could be wrong....
 

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« Reply #6401 on: April 20, 2021, 01:20:15 PM »
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It just seems peculiar to me that if Sheridan was tested and deemed "not able to be excluded", that Carr and others would not direct their efforts at him rather than at the case in general. Peterson didn't seem like a priority for Carr and Eng. A "not able to be excluded" test should have skyrocketed Peterson to Prime Suspect in the case, yet wasn't treated as such. In fact, they continued to test and investigate others afterwards.

Based on that, I suspect Peterson's DNA test cleared him. Could be wrong....

The problem here is that there is a lot that I don't know concerning the FBI.

I explicitly asked Carr about Sheridan and got no response--I have communicated with Carr on occasion so this is somewhat of an outlier.

Also, Sheridan has stated things about the FBI digging into his time in Nepal and Washington State after he came back to the US in 1999. However, I cannot confirm this. But if it's true, then the FBI did proceed presumably sometime after 2006.

I expect that the DNA comparison results will clear up a lot.

Also, the FBI files clearly state that Sheridan's picture would be shown to the witnesses and that nothing more would be done until there was a positive/negative result. Then a few months later the investigation into Sheridan started big time. Therefore, the presumption is that the witnesses moved Sheridan forward based upon his picture which is also compelling.

As I've said previously, there is a lot with this guy. That said, I'll let the DNA comparison speak for itself.
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« Reply #6402 on: April 20, 2021, 02:54:11 PM »
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What EU failed to tell everyone is hair color and eye color are genetically related! Cooper's sunglasses didnt do a damned thing to change his hair color under the microscope! Ooops.   The reason why these two traits are usually linked is that the genes responsible for hair and eye color happen to be close together on the same chromosomes. When genes like these are close together the traits tend to end up coming in pairs (blonde hair/blue eyes, etc.) statistically. 

Statistically, an FBI wanted poster for Richard McCoy lists his hair as brown and eyes as blue.

That's still within the 1:3/1:5 range. People with brown hair and blue eyes are an outlier. 1:5 appear to have that association. Are still European.

Seeing that 'exception' in McCoy's dna and noting his life story, I might be curious concerning what other anomalies are in his dna. Anything related to mental illness? Mental process related genetic disorders? The literature is full of this kind of research ... findings. Thanks for the tip R9999999999999B789999999999999.  ;)     
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6403 on: April 20, 2021, 06:31:58 PM »
EU, I might have missed something. Not sure why you're looking to do a DNA comparison on SP if one has already been done?


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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6404 on: April 20, 2021, 08:59:45 PM »
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EU, I might have missed something. Not sure why you're looking to do a DNA comparison on SP if one has already been done?


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I had brown hair and blue eyes. (I say 'had' because my hair is mostly grey these days.) Georger, are you saying that makes me crazy? Might explain some of the lifestyle choices I've made...

We determined after filming that the filter we analyzed on the show was contaminated with Tom Kaye's DNA. Therefore, Sheridan was put back on the table as a suspect.
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