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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2220 on: July 07, 2019, 02:48:35 PM »
I got tired of going through his site and asked him if it was ok to post...
 
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« Reply #2221 on: July 07, 2019, 02:51:54 PM »
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I got tired of going through his site and asked him if it was ok to post...
Yeah, they haven't added to that site in a long time. It has all the interviews together, which is helpful, as is the Vault - going through all the FBI docs is nightmarish. There's a lot of completely out there stuff, like the tons of stuff about the people that flim-flammed Newsweek. But I'm trying to be as accurate as possible about what was formally recorded onboard as there have been so many inaccuracies in second-hand reporting. I actually saw a 2019 recap that says ALL the money was found at Tena/Tina Bar.
 

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« Reply #2222 on: July 07, 2019, 02:53:25 PM »
When you read all these 302's it's no wonder they had enough. it was nothing but the same old same old. he looked like the sketch, had money etc.
 
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« Reply #2223 on: July 07, 2019, 02:57:33 PM »
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When you read all these 302's it's no wonder they had enough. it was nothing but the same old same old. he looked like the sketch, had money etc.
Oh, it's insane. You have to take a breather when you've got people linking DBC to everyone from Kaczynski to Jon Benet Ramsay's killer.
 
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« Reply #2224 on: July 07, 2019, 04:17:16 PM »
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When you read all these 302's it's no wonder they had enough. it was nothing but the same old same old. he looked like the sketch, had money etc.
Oh, it's insane. You have to take a breather when you've got people linking DBC to everyone from Kaczynski to Jon Benet Ramsay's killer.

Let's make one thing absolutely clear:  the only reasons I have linked Cooper to Kaczynski is because there are factual links! 305 landed in Missoula Montana before going on to Portland! Kaczynski had a grudge with technology and airlines in particular - he killed several airline officials! Kaczynski designed and built bombs and used them in crimes! Kaczynski had a few like-minded associates around him. Kaczynski was living in Montana when the Cooper hijacking happened. And to make a long story short: the FBI wondered if Kaczynski or an associate of his was DB Cooper and they spent man-hours checking that possibility out!

Cooper made a strange reply to Tina when asked why he was doing this. He said he had a grudge, but not against your airlines.   So with a reply like that, did he have a grudge against other airlines? His reply leaves the door open!

Kaczynski does not fit the physical description very well, but did someone he knew or associated with? Did Kaczynski build the bomb for Cooper? Probably not by Tina's description, unless he bought all the parts? Did the brief case belong to Kaczynski ?   

So PLEASE GET YOUR FACTUAL HISTORY STRAIGHT when it comes to Kaczynski and the DB Cooper case.

Jon Benet Ramsay's killer? There is no known connection to the Cooper case. That is stuff for the Bruce Smith book!
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2225 on: July 07, 2019, 04:32:34 PM »
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When you read all these 302's it's no wonder they had enough. it was nothing but the same old same old. he looked like the sketch, had money etc.
Oh, it's insane. You have to take a breather when you've got people linking DBC to everyone from Kaczynski to Jon Benet Ramsay's killer.

Let's make one thing absolutely clear:  the only reasons I have linked Cooper to Kaczynski is because there are factual links! 305 landed in Missoula Montana before going on to Portland! Kaczynski had a grudge with technology and airlines in particular - he killed several airline officials! Kaczynski designed and built bombs and used them in crimes! Kaczynski had a few like-minded associates around him. Kaczynski was living in Montana when the Cooper hijacking happened. And to make a long story short: the FBI wondered if Kaczynski or an associate of his was DB Cooper and they spent man-hours checking that possibility out!

Cooper made a strange reply to Tina when asked why he was doing this. He said he had a grudge, but not against your airlines.   So with a reply like that, did he have a grudge against other airlines? His reply leaves the door open!

Kaczynski does not fit the physical profile very well, but did someone he knew or associated with? Did Kaczynski build the bomb for Cooper? Probably not by Tina's description, unless he bought all the parts? 

So PLEASE GET YOUR FACTUAL HISTORY STRAIGHT when it comes to Kaczynski and the DB Cooper case.

Jon Benet Ramsay's killer? There is no known connection to the Cooper case. That is stuff for the Bruce Smith book!
I wasn't referring to you re: Kaczynski, georger. There was a weird run of comments - I want to say about a year ago, but who knows how long I've been down this rabbit hole - on Bruce's forum and there were all these people taking RB seriously and then these long rambling links to Zodiac, Kaczynski, JonBenet, basically every famous US crime over the last 40+ years. I had to stop reading comment threads ANYWHERE but on this forum. They were starting to make a certain obsessed ex look lucid by comparison.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2226 on: July 07, 2019, 04:35:38 PM »
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When you read all these 302's it's no wonder they had enough. it was nothing but the same old same old. he looked like the sketch, had money etc.
Oh, it's insane. You have to take a breather when you've got people linking DBC to everyone from Kaczynski to Jon Benet Ramsay's killer.

Let's make one thing absolutely clear:  the only reasons I have linked Cooper to Kaczynski is because there are factual links! 305 landed in Missoula Montana before going on to Portland! Kaczynski had a grudge with technology and airlines in particular - he killed several airline officials! Kaczynski designed and built bombs and used them in crimes! Kaczynski had a few like-minded associates around him. Kaczynski was living in Montana when the Cooper hijacking happened. And to make a long story short: the FBI wondered if Kaczynski or an associate of his was DB Cooper and they spent man-hours checking that possibility out!

Cooper made a strange reply to Tina when asked why he was doing this. He said he had a grudge, but not against your airlines.   So with a reply like that, did he have a grudge against other airlines? His reply leaves the door open!

Kaczynski does not fit the physical profile very well, but did someone he knew or associated with? Did Kaczynski build the bomb for Cooper? Probably not by Tina's description, unless he bought all the parts? 

So PLEASE GET YOUR FACTUAL HISTORY STRAIGHT when it comes to Kaczynski and the DB Cooper case.

Jon Benet Ramsay's killer? There is no known connection to the Cooper case. That is stuff for the Bruce Smith book!
I wasn't referring to you re: Kaczynski, georger. There was a weird run of comments - I want to say about a year ago, but who knows how long I've been down this rabbit hole - on Bruce's forum and there were all these people taking RB seriously and then these long rambling links to Zodiac, Kaczynski, JonBenet, basically every famous US crime over the last 40+ years. I had to stop reading comment threads ANYWHERE but on this forum. They were starting to make a certain obsessed ex look lucid by comparison.
Having said that, I can see why the feds would look at Kaczynski, as well as why he can likely be eliminated. I also think if Cooper had a grudge against another airline, he'd have hijacked that one.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2227 on: July 07, 2019, 04:37:19 PM »
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When you read all these 302's it's no wonder they had enough. it was nothing but the same old same old. he looked like the sketch, had money etc.
Oh, it's insane. You have to take a breather when you've got people linking DBC to everyone from Kaczynski to Jon Benet Ramsay's killer.

Let's make one thing absolutely clear:  the only reasons I have linked Cooper to Kaczynski is because there are factual links! 305 landed in Missoula Montana before going on to Portland! Kaczynski had a grudge with technology and airlines in particular - he killed several airline officials! Kaczynski designed and built bombs and used them in crimes! Kaczynski had a few like-minded associates around him. Kaczynski was living in Montana when the Cooper hijacking happened. And to make a long story short: the FBI wondered if Kaczynski or an associate of his was DB Cooper and they spent man-hours checking that possibility out!

Cooper made a strange reply to Tina when asked why he was doing this. He said he had a grudge, but not against your airlines.   So with a reply like that, did he have a grudge against other airlines? His reply leaves the door open!

Kaczynski does not fit the physical profile very well, but did someone he knew or associated with? Did Kaczynski build the bomb for Cooper? Probably not by Tina's description, unless he bought all the parts? 

So PLEASE GET YOUR FACTUAL HISTORY STRAIGHT when it comes to Kaczynski and the DB Cooper case.

Jon Benet Ramsay's killer? There is no known connection to the Cooper case. That is stuff for the Bruce Smith book!
I wasn't referring to you re: Kaczynski, georger. There was a weird run of comments - I want to say about a year ago, but who knows how long I've been down this rabbit hole - on Bruce's forum and there were all these people taking RB seriously and then these long rambling links to Zodiac, Kaczynski, JonBenet, basically every famous US crime over the last 40+ years. I had to stop reading comment threads ANYWHERE but on this forum. They were starting to make a certain obsessed ex look lucid by comparison.

I know that. Thanks Lynn. Kaczynski however was actually investigated as being linked to the Cooper case, for a whole list of reasons not the least of which was agents wondered and brought it up. Kaczynski was newly arrived at his cabin in MT when the Cooper hijacking happened.

In any event Kaczynski was investigated for being DB Cooper - there must be many 302's about that. It's documented in people's books and I have a personal connection to this through a friend I went to college with - 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2228 on: July 07, 2019, 04:42:00 PM »
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When you read all these 302's it's no wonder they had enough. it was nothing but the same old same old. he looked like the sketch, had money etc.
Oh, it's insane. You have to take a breather when you've got people linking DBC to everyone from Kaczynski to Jon Benet Ramsay's killer.

Let's make one thing absolutely clear:  the only reasons I have linked Cooper to Kaczynski is because there are factual links! 305 landed in Missoula Montana before going on to Portland! Kaczynski had a grudge with technology and airlines in particular - he killed several airline officials! Kaczynski designed and built bombs and used them in crimes! Kaczynski had a few like-minded associates around him. Kaczynski was living in Montana when the Cooper hijacking happened. And to make a long story short: the FBI wondered if Kaczynski or an associate of his was DB Cooper and they spent man-hours checking that possibility out!

Cooper made a strange reply to Tina when asked why he was doing this. He said he had a grudge, but not against your airlines.   So with a reply like that, did he have a grudge against other airlines? His reply leaves the door open!

Kaczynski does not fit the physical profile very well, but did someone he knew or associated with? Did Kaczynski build the bomb for Cooper? Probably not by Tina's description, unless he bought all the parts? 

So PLEASE GET YOUR FACTUAL HISTORY STRAIGHT when it comes to Kaczynski and the DB Cooper case.

Jon Benet Ramsay's killer? There is no known connection to the Cooper case. That is stuff for the Bruce Smith book!
I wasn't referring to you re: Kaczynski, georger. There was a weird run of comments - I want to say about a year ago, but who knows how long I've been down this rabbit hole - on Bruce's forum and there were all these people taking RB seriously and then these long rambling links to Zodiac, Kaczynski, JonBenet, basically every famous US crime over the last 40+ years. I had to stop reading comment threads ANYWHERE but on this forum. They were starting to make a certain obsessed ex look lucid by comparison.

I know that. Thanks Lynn. Kaczynski however was actually investigated as being linked to the Cooper case, for a whole list of reasons not the least of which was agents wondered and brought it up. Kaczynski was newly arrived at his cabin in MT when the Cooper hijacking happened.

In any event Kaczynski was investigated for being DB Cooper - there must be many 302's about that. It's documented in people's books and I have a personal connection to this through a friend I went to college with -
I've always seen Cooper as a loner - but Kaczynski did consort with other criminals in prison - Dahmer was one and I can't recall the other. Him acting as a consultant wouldn't be out of the question. "How did these people FIND each other?" would not be a new question in a criminal case if there were more than one person involved.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2229 on: July 07, 2019, 04:45:08 PM »
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When you read all these 302's it's no wonder they had enough. it was nothing but the same old same old. he looked like the sketch, had money etc.
Oh, it's insane. You have to take a breather when you've got people linking DBC to everyone from Kaczynski to Jon Benet Ramsay's killer.

Let's make one thing absolutely clear:  the only reasons I have linked Cooper to Kaczynski is because there are factual links! 305 landed in Missoula Montana before going on to Portland! Kaczynski had a grudge with technology and airlines in particular - he killed several airline officials! Kaczynski designed and built bombs and used them in crimes! Kaczynski had a few like-minded associates around him. Kaczynski was living in Montana when the Cooper hijacking happened. And to make a long story short: the FBI wondered if Kaczynski or an associate of his was DB Cooper and they spent man-hours checking that possibility out!

Cooper made a strange reply to Tina when asked why he was doing this. He said he had a grudge, but not against your airlines.   So with a reply like that, did he have a grudge against other airlines? His reply leaves the door open!

Kaczynski does not fit the physical profile very well, but did someone he knew or associated with? Did Kaczynski build the bomb for Cooper? Probably not by Tina's description, unless he bought all the parts? 

So PLEASE GET YOUR FACTUAL HISTORY STRAIGHT when it comes to Kaczynski and the DB Cooper case.

Jon Benet Ramsay's killer? There is no known connection to the Cooper case. That is stuff for the Bruce Smith book!
I wasn't referring to you re: Kaczynski, georger. There was a weird run of comments - I want to say about a year ago, but who knows how long I've been down this rabbit hole - on Bruce's forum and there were all these people taking RB seriously and then these long rambling links to Zodiac, Kaczynski, JonBenet, basically every famous US crime over the last 40+ years. I had to stop reading comment threads ANYWHERE but on this forum. They were starting to make a certain obsessed ex look lucid by comparison.

I know that. Thanks Lynn. Kaczynski however was actually investigated as being linked to the Cooper case, for a whole list of reasons not the least of which was agents wondered and brought it up. Kaczynski was newly arrived at his cabin in MT when the Cooper hijacking happened.

In any event Kaczynski was investigated for being DB Cooper - there must be many 302's about that. It's documented in people's books and I have a personal connection to this through a friend I went to college with -

Kaczynski was 29 years old in 1971 and didn't look anything like the drawings of Cooper.  Also, Cooper had social skills and Kaczynski didn't.  And Kaczynski was not investigated for anything until shortly before his arrest in 1996 (?).
 
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« Reply #2230 on: July 07, 2019, 04:56:17 PM »
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When you read all these 302's it's no wonder they had enough. it was nothing but the same old same old. he looked like the sketch, had money etc.
Oh, it's insane. You have to take a breather when you've got people linking DBC to everyone from Kaczynski to Jon Benet Ramsay's killer.

Let's make one thing absolutely clear:  the only reasons I have linked Cooper to Kaczynski is because there are factual links! 305 landed in Missoula Montana before going on to Portland! Kaczynski had a grudge with technology and airlines in particular - he killed several airline officials! Kaczynski designed and built bombs and used them in crimes! Kaczynski had a few like-minded associates around him. Kaczynski was living in Montana when the Cooper hijacking happened. And to make a long story short: the FBI wondered if Kaczynski or an associate of his was DB Cooper and they spent man-hours checking that possibility out!

Cooper made a strange reply to Tina when asked why he was doing this. He said he had a grudge, but not against your airlines.   So with a reply like that, did he have a grudge against other airlines? His reply leaves the door open!

Kaczynski does not fit the physical profile very well, but did someone he knew or associated with? Did Kaczynski build the bomb for Cooper? Probably not by Tina's description, unless he bought all the parts? 

So PLEASE GET YOUR FACTUAL HISTORY STRAIGHT when it comes to Kaczynski and the DB Cooper case.

Jon Benet Ramsay's killer? There is no known connection to the Cooper case. That is stuff for the Bruce Smith book!
I wasn't referring to you re: Kaczynski, georger. There was a weird run of comments - I want to say about a year ago, but who knows how long I've been down this rabbit hole - on Bruce's forum and there were all these people taking RB seriously and then these long rambling links to Zodiac, Kaczynski, JonBenet, basically every famous US crime over the last 40+ years. I had to stop reading comment threads ANYWHERE but on this forum. They were starting to make a certain obsessed ex look lucid by comparison.

I know that. Thanks Lynn. Kaczynski however was actually investigated as being linked to the Cooper case, for a whole list of reasons not the least of which was agents wondered and brought it up. Kaczynski was newly arrived at his cabin in MT when the Cooper hijacking happened.

In any event Kaczynski was investigated for being DB Cooper - there must be many 302's about that. It's documented in people's books and I have a personal connection to this through a friend I went to college with -

Kaczynski was 29 years old in 1971 and didn't look anything like the drawings of Cooper.  Also, Cooper had social skills and Kaczynski didn't.  And Kaczynski was not investigated for anything until shortly before his arrest in 1996 (?).
Online I'm also finding that he didn't begin sabotage activities until 1975, when he realized a wilderness lifestyle was being made untenable by development. He abandoned his math career abruptly in 1969 and did indeed enter the wilderness in 1971, but even as an accomplice, I can't see how a Cooper would have found him or why he would have consulted him about bombs at this point unless it was a "met a guy in a bar" kind of situation - unlikely, as Kaczynski only opened up after longer acquaintance. It is possible the FBI looked at him in view of older crimes after his arrest, though. There's only so many known bombers. I've just never been convinced Cooper's bomb was even real, going by descriptions of the dynamite. There were books at that time teaching people to make Molotov cocktails and such; the Internet didn't invent that kind of info spread. You could probably have found a photo of a working bomb at the library to go by.
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« Reply #2231 on: July 07, 2019, 11:44:51 PM »
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When you read all these 302's it's no wonder they had enough. it was nothing but the same old same old. he looked like the sketch, had money etc.
Oh, it's insane. You have to take a breather when you've got people linking DBC to everyone from Kaczynski to Jon Benet Ramsay's killer.

Let's make one thing absolutely clear:  the only reasons I have linked Cooper to Kaczynski is because there are factual links! 305 landed in Missoula Montana before going on to Portland! Kaczynski had a grudge with technology and airlines in particular - he killed several airline officials! Kaczynski designed and built bombs and used them in crimes! Kaczynski had a few like-minded associates around him. Kaczynski was living in Montana when the Cooper hijacking happened. And to make a long story short: the FBI wondered if Kaczynski or an associate of his was DB Cooper and they spent man-hours checking that possibility out!

Cooper made a strange reply to Tina when asked why he was doing this. He said he had a grudge, but not against your airlines.   So with a reply like that, did he have a grudge against other airlines? His reply leaves the door open!

Kaczynski does not fit the physical profile very well, but did someone he knew or associated with? Did Kaczynski build the bomb for Cooper? Probably not by Tina's description, unless he bought all the parts? 

So PLEASE GET YOUR FACTUAL HISTORY STRAIGHT when it comes to Kaczynski and the DB Cooper case.

Jon Benet Ramsay's killer? There is no known connection to the Cooper case. That is stuff for the Bruce Smith book!
I wasn't referring to you re: Kaczynski, georger. There was a weird run of comments - I want to say about a year ago, but who knows how long I've been down this rabbit hole - on Bruce's forum and there were all these people taking RB seriously and then these long rambling links to Zodiac, Kaczynski, JonBenet, basically every famous US crime over the last 40+ years. I had to stop reading comment threads ANYWHERE but on this forum. They were starting to make a certain obsessed ex look lucid by comparison.

I know that. Thanks Lynn. Kaczynski however was actually investigated as being linked to the Cooper case, for a whole list of reasons not the least of which was agents wondered and brought it up. Kaczynski was newly arrived at his cabin in MT when the Cooper hijacking happened.

In any event Kaczynski was investigated for being DB Cooper - there must be many 302's about that. It's documented in people's books and I have a personal connection to this through a friend I went to college with -

Kaczynski was 29 years old in 1971 and didn't look anything like the drawings of Cooper.  Also, Cooper had social skills and Kaczynski didn't.  And Kaczynski was not investigated for anything until shortly before his arrest in 1996 (?).

all correct - which I have stated many times! You get an A. The Cooper case was unsolved in 1996 and still is today.

Kaczynski was from Chicago, Illinois and so had a Midwestern 'accent' - with 'get the show on the road' and several other Cooper phrases part of his native lexicon.

'After resigning from Berkeley, Kaczynski moved to his parents' home in Lombard, Illinois, then two years later, in 1971, to a remote cabin he had built outside Lincoln, Montana, where he could live a simple life with little money and without electricity or running water,[44] working odd jobs and receiving some financial support from his family.[9]'

In an interview after his arrest, he recalled being shocked on a hike to one of his favorite wild spots:[45]

   " It's kind of rolling country, not flat, and when you get to the edge of it you find these ravines that cut very steeply in to cliff-like drop-offs and there was even a waterfall there. It was about a two days' hike from my cabin. That was the best spot until the summer of 1983. That summer there were too many people around my cabin so I decided I needed some peace. I went back to the plateau and when I got there I found they had put a road right through the middle of it ... You just can't imagine how upset I was. It was from that point on I decided that, rather than trying to acquire further wilderness skills, I would work on getting back at the system. Revenge. "
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When you read all these 302's it's no wonder they had enough. it was nothing but the same old same old. he looked like the sketch, had money etc.
Oh, it's insane. You have to take a breather when you've got people linking DBC to everyone from Kaczynski to Jon Benet Ramsay's killer.

Let's make one thing absolutely clear:  the only reasons I have linked Cooper to Kaczynski is because there are factual links! 305 landed in Missoula Montana before going on to Portland! Kaczynski had a grudge with technology and airlines in particular - he killed several airline officials! Kaczynski designed and built bombs and used them in crimes! Kaczynski had a few like-minded associates around him. Kaczynski was living in Montana when the Cooper hijacking happened. And to make a long story short: the FBI wondered if Kaczynski or an associate of his was DB Cooper and they spent man-hours checking that possibility out!

Cooper made a strange reply to Tina when asked why he was doing this. He said he had a grudge, but not against your airlines.   So with a reply like that, did he have a grudge against other airlines? His reply leaves the door open!

Kaczynski does not fit the physical profile very well, but did someone he knew or associated with? Did Kaczynski build the bomb for Cooper? Probably not by Tina's description, unless he bought all the parts? 

So PLEASE GET YOUR FACTUAL HISTORY STRAIGHT when it comes to Kaczynski and the DB Cooper case.

Jon Benet Ramsay's killer? There is no known connection to the Cooper case. That is stuff for the Bruce Smith book!
I wasn't referring to you re: Kaczynski, georger. There was a weird run of comments - I want to say about a year ago, but who knows how long I've been down this rabbit hole - on Bruce's forum and there were all these people taking RB seriously and then these long rambling links to Zodiac, Kaczynski, JonBenet, basically every famous US crime over the last 40+ years. I had to stop reading comment threads ANYWHERE but on this forum. They were starting to make a certain obsessed ex look lucid by comparison.

I know that. Thanks Lynn. Kaczynski however was actually investigated as being linked to the Cooper case, for a whole list of reasons not the least of which was agents wondered and brought it up. Kaczynski was newly arrived at his cabin in MT when the Cooper hijacking happened.

In any event Kaczynski was investigated for being DB Cooper - there must be many 302's about that. It's documented in people's books and I have a personal connection to this through a friend I went to college with -

Kaczynski was 29 years old in 1971 and didn't look anything like the drawings of Cooper.  Also, Cooper had social skills and Kaczynski didn't.  And Kaczynski was not investigated for anything until shortly before his arrest in 1996 (?).

all correct - which I have stated many times! You get an A. The Cooper case was unsolved in 1996 and still is today.

Kaczynski was from Chicago, Illinois and so had a Midwestern 'accent' - with 'get the show on the road' and several other Cooper phrases part of his native lexicon.

'After resigning from Berkeley, Kaczynski moved to his parents' home in Lombard, Illinois, then two years later, in 1971, to a remote cabin he had built outside Lincoln, Montana, where he could live a simple life with little money and without electricity or running water,[44] working odd jobs and receiving some financial support from his family.[9]'

In an interview after his arrest, he recalled being shocked on a hike to one of his favorite wild spots:[45]

   " It's kind of rolling country, not flat, and when you get to the edge of it you find these ravines that cut very steeply in to cliff-like drop-offs and there was even a waterfall there. It was about a two days' hike from my cabin. That was the best spot until the summer of 1983. That summer there were too many people around my cabin so I decided I needed some peace. I went back to the plateau and when I got there I found they had put a road right through the middle of it ... You just can't imagine how upset I was. It was from that point on I decided that, rather than trying to acquire further wilderness skills, I would work on getting back at the system. Revenge. "

I can empathize with him in his response to development - I think many of us have had the experience of seeing a natural place we love irrevocably changed.  I can't understand bombing people as a result (for even if you hate humans, how would it help?), but then social isolation does make some go mad.

Both "beat the system" and "get this show on the road" are those kind of common-ish expressions you know you've heard plenty, but if pressed, couldn't say for sure if you or the people around you tend to use. Sailshaw insisted SP had used the former expression when he knew him, and here you have TK using it. It's hard to say how common that expression is or ever was. It feels like one you see written more than hear in everyday discourse, but then it does  refer to crime, cheating, or rule-bending specifically, so it's not an everyday word for most. [TBH, at our place we would more likely use "stick it to The Man", though usually in a joking, 70s throwback way. ;) ]

 TK fails as Cooper based on age and almost every descriptive factor, and the crimes are very different - Cooper's was mainly a form of  larceny, TK's terrorism, murder and attempted murder. But it is just possible Kaczynski, without being Cooper, was the writer of the linked "Cooper" letters. After all, his best-known m.o. is mail related, and he liked bombs and hated airlines , so he may well have taken note of the Cooper case during the year he was going off-grid. It's really hard to call; there are a lot of mentally ill people out there and - well, to quote Dire Straits, "Two men say they're Jesus; one of them must be wrong." 

I don't believe Cooper himself wrote those letters - if all he wanted was to get away with $200,000, better to let the feds think him dead. More likely a random, mentally ill person wrote them, and moreover (as several letters do look like they have a common source) that person was nomadic. TK being or even meeting Cooper seems like a long shot, but I could totally see him admiring Cooper's "beating the system" and writing the letters to torment the cops.

Hating airlines in general and so passionately is fairly unusual (hating individual ones isn't, but even then passenger/ex-employee frustration doesn't get Kaczynski-level.) HOWEVER,  we have no idea if Cooper shared that hatred. We know he had a grudge but not (as Tina asked) against NWO. That's the only thing we know about his grudge - that he had one. If TK were Cooper, what would he have to lose at this point confessing to it and increasing his personal notoriety? The crimes he refused an insanity plea for actually did kill people and could have resulted in the death penalty. And Cooper is just a much better story, if you're sitting in your cell bragging.

 

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I don't believe Cooper himself wrote those letters - if all he wanted was to get away with $200,000, better to let the feds think him dead. More likely a random, mentally ill person wrote them, and moreover (as several letters do look like they have a common source) that person was nomadic. TK being or even meeting Cooper seems like a long shot, but I could totally see him admiring Cooper's "beating the system" and writing the letters to torment the cops.
This is a good point.  We've seen posts elsewhere from "someone" who believes Cooper buried the money at Tina Bar after the John Doe charge in 1976 so the FBI would think he was dead.  That would be absolutely the opposite Cooper would be expected to do.  By that time there was probably only one agent assigned to the case, and only dealing with evidence as it came in.  Dropping money on the beach to be found would stir up a whole bunch of new activity with several agents and attract lots more attention.  Not smart.
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When you read all these 302's it's no wonder they had enough. it was nothing but the same old same old. he looked like the sketch, had money etc.
Oh, it's insane. You have to take a breather when you've got people linking DBC to everyone from Kaczynski to Jon Benet Ramsay's killer.

Let's make one thing absolutely clear:  the only reasons I have linked Cooper to Kaczynski is because there are factual links! 305 landed in Missoula Montana before going on to Portland! Kaczynski had a grudge with technology and airlines in particular - he killed several airline officials! Kaczynski designed and built bombs and used them in crimes! Kaczynski had a few like-minded associates around him. Kaczynski was living in Montana when the Cooper hijacking happened. And to make a long story short: the FBI wondered if Kaczynski or an associate of his was DB Cooper and they spent man-hours checking that possibility out!

Cooper made a strange reply to Tina when asked why he was doing this. He said he had a grudge, but not against your airlines.   So with a reply like that, did he have a grudge against other airlines? His reply leaves the door open!

Kaczynski does not fit the physical profile very well, but did someone he knew or associated with? Did Kaczynski build the bomb for Cooper? Probably not by Tina's description, unless he bought all the parts? 

So PLEASE GET YOUR FACTUAL HISTORY STRAIGHT when it comes to Kaczynski and the DB Cooper case.

Jon Benet Ramsay's killer? There is no known connection to the Cooper case. That is stuff for the Bruce Smith book!
I wasn't referring to you re: Kaczynski, georger. There was a weird run of comments - I want to say about a year ago, but who knows how long I've been down this rabbit hole - on Bruce's forum and there were all these people taking RB seriously and then these long rambling links to Zodiac, Kaczynski, JonBenet, basically every famous US crime over the last 40+ years. I had to stop reading comment threads ANYWHERE but on this forum. They were starting to make a certain obsessed ex look lucid by comparison.

I know that. Thanks Lynn. Kaczynski however was actually investigated as being linked to the Cooper case, for a whole list of reasons not the least of which was agents wondered and brought it up. Kaczynski was newly arrived at his cabin in MT when the Cooper hijacking happened.

In any event Kaczynski was investigated for being DB Cooper - there must be many 302's about that. It's documented in people's books and I have a personal connection to this through a friend I went to college with -

Kaczynski was 29 years old in 1971 and didn't look anything like the drawings of Cooper.  Also, Cooper had social skills and Kaczynski didn't.  And Kaczynski was not investigated for anything until shortly before his arrest in 1996 (?).

all correct - which I have stated many times! You get an A. The Cooper case was unsolved in 1996 and still is today.

Kaczynski was from Chicago, Illinois and so had a Midwestern 'accent' - with 'get the show on the road' and several other Cooper phrases part of his native lexicon.

'After resigning from Berkeley, Kaczynski moved to his parents' home in Lombard, Illinois, then two years later, in 1971, to a remote cabin he had built outside Lincoln, Montana, where he could live a simple life with little money and without electricity or running water,[44] working odd jobs and receiving some financial support from his family.[9]'

In an interview after his arrest, he recalled being shocked on a hike to one of his favorite wild spots:[45]

   " It's kind of rolling country, not flat, and when you get to the edge of it you find these ravines that cut very steeply in to cliff-like drop-offs and there was even a waterfall there. It was about a two days' hike from my cabin. That was the best spot until the summer of 1983. That summer there were too many people around my cabin so I decided I needed some peace. I went back to the plateau and when I got there I found they had put a road right through the middle of it ... You just can't imagine how upset I was. It was from that point on I decided that, rather than trying to acquire further wilderness skills, I would work on getting back at the system. Revenge. "

I can empathize with him in his response to development - I think many of us have had the experience of seeing a natural place we love irrevocably changed.  I can't understand bombing people as a result (for even if you hate humans, how would it help?), but then social isolation does make some go mad.

Both "beat the system" and "get this show on the road" are those kind of common-ish expressions you know you've heard plenty, but if pressed, couldn't say for sure if you or the people around you tend to use. Sailshaw insisted SP had used the former expression when he knew him, and here you have TK using it. It's hard to say how common that expression is or ever was. It feels like one you see written more than hear in everyday discourse, but then it does  refer to crime, cheating, or rule-bending specifically, so it's not an everyday word for most. [TBH, at our place we would more likely use "stick it to The Man", though usually in a joking, 70s throwback way. ;) ]

 TK fails as Cooper based on age and almost every descriptive factor, and the crimes are very different - Cooper's was mainly a form of  larceny, TK's terrorism, murder and attempted murder. But it is just possible Kaczynski, without being Cooper, was the writer of the linked "Cooper" letters. After all, his best-known m.o. is mail related, and he liked bombs and hated airlines , so he may well have taken note of the Cooper case during the year he was going off-grid. It's really hard to call; there are a lot of mentally ill people out there and - well, to quote Dire Straits, "Two men say they're Jesus; one of them must be wrong." 

I don't believe Cooper himself wrote those letters - if all he wanted was to get away with $200,000, better to let the feds think him dead. More likely a random, mentally ill person wrote them, and moreover (as several letters do look like they have a common source) that person was nomadic. TK being or even meeting Cooper seems like a long shot, but I could totally see him admiring Cooper's "beating the system" and writing the letters to torment the cops.

Hating airlines in general and so passionately is fairly unusual (hating individual ones isn't, but even then passenger/ex-employee frustration doesn't get Kaczynski-level.) HOWEVER,  we have no idea if Cooper shared that hatred. We know he had a grudge but not (as Tina asked) against NWO. That's the only thing we know about his grudge - that he had one. If TK were Cooper, what would he have to lose at this point confessing to it and increasing his personal notoriety? The crimes he refused an insanity plea for actually did kill people and could have resulted in the death penalty. And Cooper is just a much better story, if you're sitting in your cell bragging.

Investigation cleared Kaczynski of being Cooper. But, there were like-minded persons in MT at the time who might have been sympathetic to Kaczynski's feelings, living a narrow existence in need of money ...

But, so far as I know Kaczynski had no collaborators, much less any real friends he might have been in a conspiracy with... ?  Cooper's comment to Tina about not having a grudge 'against your airlines' vs. Kaczynski's grudge against airlines, dovetails. And it dovetails during the period of the NWA hijacking.

This is just a thought experiment - an archetype.
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