The flood of 1996 is shown on the Clark County website. the whole area was underwater. T bar was 90% covered.

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Did flood water ever spill(for lack of a better term) from the Fazios side down the embankment and into the river?

Let me reply to this and to several other posts at the same time.  In 2013, Meyer Louie and I spent a day at Tina Bar and thoroughly checked out the embankment area between Tina Bar and the Fazio property.

A fellow named "Jon" (I don't know his last name but he had the keys to the Tina Bar gate) told us that he had visited Tina Bar on almost a daily basis for the previous 50 years.  He pointed to a railroad tie that was embedded in the embankment between the river and the Fazio dairy containment pit and said that it represented the highest water level that he had ever seen at Tina Bar.  There was no way to measure its elevation from the river water level, but my guess is that the railroad tie was at least 20 feet above the river surface or about 20 to 25 feet above sea level.  The railroad tie was also about two or three feet below the top of the embankment.

Jon also told us that he had never seen any river water flow onto the Fazio property at Tina Bar or seen any flow from the Fazio property into the river.  Meyer and I checked the Tina Bar area as best we could including going over the containment pit, which was dry, with metal detectors.

The FBI appears to have checked the area for some distance from the water's edge.  I do not know of anything that would suggest that their search was not comprehensive.  But it might have been a good idea to check along the water's edge further upstream and downstream from the money find location than they actually did.

To repeat, it appears that the bill packets and fragments were found relatively close to the water's edge and that nothing was found further away.

Your Fisherman is telling a story that is NOT backed up by facts ! Ask “ Jon “ your fisherman where he was during the Christmas flood of 1964 or the “ Pineapple Express flood of 1996 “ ! I lived there and both those floods exceeded 27 ft. The Vanport flood exceeded 31 feet in 1948 and yes I hate to admit I witnessed that one also. I count at least 6 floods since 1964 that exceeded 21 feet so where was Jon during those floods ? My point is that facts dispute Jon’s story.

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Did flood water ever spill(for lack of a better term) from the Fazios side down the embankment and into the river?

Let me reply to this and to several other posts at the same time.  In 2013, Meyer Louie and I spent a day at Tina Bar and thoroughly checked out the embankment area between Tina Bar and the Fazio property.

A fellow named "Jon" (I don't know his last name but he had the keys to the Tina Bar gate) told us that he had visited Tina Bar on almost a daily basis for the previous 50 years.  He pointed to a railroad tie that was embedded in the embankment between the river and the Fazio dairy containment pit and said that it represented the highest water level that he had ever seen at Tina Bar.  There was no way to measure its elevation from the river water level, but my guess is that the railroad tie was at least 20 feet above the river surface or about 20 to 25 feet above sea level.  The railroad tie was also about two or three feet below the top of the embankment.

Jon also told us that he had never seen any river water flow onto the Fazio property at Tina Bar or seen any flow from the Fazio property into the river.  Meyer and I checked the Tina Bar area as best we could including going over the containment pit, which was dry, with metal detectors.

The FBI appears to have checked the area for some distance from the water's edge.  I do not know of anything that would suggest that their search was not comprehensive.  But it might have been a good idea to check along the water's edge further upstream and downstream from the money find location than they actually did.

To repeat, it appears that the bill packets and fragments were found relatively close to the water's edge and that nothing was found further away.

Your Fisherman is telling a story that is NOT backed up by facts ! Ask “ Jon “ your fisherman where he was during the Christmas flood of 1964 or the “ Pineapple Express flood of 1996 “ ! I lived there and both those floods exceeded 27 ft. The Vanport flood exceeded 31 feet in 1948 and yes I hate to admit I witnessed that one also. I count at least 6 floods since 1964 that exceeded 21 feet so where was Jon during those floods ? My point is that facts dispute Jon’s story.

Jon said that he had never seen water from the river going into the containment area of the Fazio property or vice-versa.  The numerical elevations mentioned are my eyeball estimates as stated in that post.

What are the numbers you mentioned relative to?  Are they feet above sea level?  Are they simply a reading on a gage somewhere?  Where were they measured?

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Did flood water ever spill(for lack of a better term) from the Fazios side down the embankment and into the river?

Let me reply to this and to several other posts at the same time.  In 2013, Meyer Louie and I spent a day at Tina Bar and thoroughly checked out the embankment area between Tina Bar and the Fazio property.

A fellow named "Jon" (I don't know his last name but he had the keys to the Tina Bar gate) told us that he had visited Tina Bar on almost a daily basis for the previous 50 years.  He pointed to a railroad tie that was embedded in the embankment between the river and the Fazio dairy containment pit and said that it represented the highest water level that he had ever seen at Tina Bar.  There was no way to measure its elevation from the river water level, but my guess is that the railroad tie was at least 20 feet above the river surface or about 20 to 25 feet above sea level.  The railroad tie was also about two or three feet below the top of the embankment.

Jon also told us that he had never seen any river water flow onto the Fazio property at Tina Bar or seen any flow from the Fazio property into the river.  Meyer and I checked the Tina Bar area as best we could including going over the containment pit, which was dry, with metal detectors.

The FBI appears to have checked the area for some distance from the water's edge.  I do not know of anything that would suggest that their search was not comprehensive.  But it might have been a good idea to check along the water's edge further upstream and downstream from the money find location than they actually did.

To repeat, it appears that the bill packets and fragments were found relatively close to the water's edge and that nothing was found further away.

Your Fisherman is telling a story that is NOT backed up by facts ! Ask “ Jon “ your fisherman where he was during the Christmas flood of 1964 or the “ Pineapple Express flood of 1996 “ ! I lived there and both those floods exceeded 27 ft. The Vanport flood exceeded 31 feet in 1948 and yes I hate to admit I witnessed that one also. I count at least 6 floods since 1964 that exceeded 21 feet so where was Jon during those floods ? My point is that facts dispute Jon’s story.

Jon said that he had never seen water from the river going into the containment area of the Fazio property or vice-versa.  The numerical elevations mentioned are my eyeball estimates as stated in that post.

What are the numbers you mentioned relative to?  Are they feet above sea level?  Are they simply a reading on a gage somewhere?  Where were they measured?

The Columbia is considered at flood stage when it hits 16 foot at Port of Vancouver. In 1996 and 1964 it was over 27 feet on the gauge which is a whooping 11 plus feet above flood stage. Trust me this river is not friendly and I doubt any fisherman were fishing during these floods ! JMHO

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Did flood water ever spill(for lack of a better term) from the Fazios side down the embankment and into the river?

Let me reply to this and to several other posts at the same time.  In 2013, Meyer Louie and I spent a day at Tina Bar and thoroughly checked out the embankment area between Tina Bar and the Fazio property.

A fellow named "Jon" (I don't know his last name but he had the keys to the Tina Bar gate) told us that he had visited Tina Bar on almost a daily basis for the previous 50 years.  He pointed to a railroad tie that was embedded in the embankment between the river and the Fazio dairy containment pit and said that it represented the highest water level that he had ever seen at Tina Bar.  There was no way to measure its elevation from the river water level, but my guess is that the railroad tie was at least 20 feet above the river surface or about 20 to 25 feet above sea level.  The railroad tie was also about two or three feet below the top of the embankment.

Jon also told us that he had never seen any river water flow onto the Fazio property at Tina Bar or seen any flow from the Fazio property into the river.  Meyer and I checked the Tina Bar area as best we could including going over the containment pit, which was dry, with metal detectors.

The FBI appears to have checked the area for some distance from the water's edge.  I do not know of anything that would suggest that their search was not comprehensive.  But it might have been a good idea to check along the water's edge further upstream and downstream from the money find location than they actually did.

To repeat, it appears that the bill packets and fragments were found relatively close to the water's edge and that nothing was found further away.

Your Fisherman is telling a story that is NOT backed up by facts ! Ask “ Jon “ your fisherman where he was during the Christmas flood of 1964 or the “ Pineapple Express flood of 1996 “ ! I lived there and both those floods exceeded 27 ft. The Vanport flood exceeded 31 feet in 1948 and yes I hate to admit I witnessed that one also. I count at least 6 floods since 1964 that exceeded 21 feet so where was Jon during those floods ? My point is that facts dispute Jon’s story.

Jon said that he had never seen water from the river going into the containment area of the Fazio property or vice-versa.  The numerical elevations mentioned are my eyeball estimates as stated in that post.

What are the numbers you mentioned relative to?  Are they feet above sea level?  Are they simply a reading on a gage somewhere?  Where were they measured?

The Columbia is considered at flood stage when it hits 16 foot at Port of Vancouver. In 1996 and 1964 it was over 27 feet on the gauge which is a whooping 11 plus feet above flood stage. Trust me this river is not friendly and I doubt any fisherman were fishing during these floods ! JMHO

Is the gage you are referring to the one on the north side of the river and a few hundred feet east of I-5?  Also, I have never said that Jon or anyone else was fishing during a flood event.

It is amazing how simple statements gain unfounded claims during the translation.

Give me time to write a reply before you pounce - tigre! 

Answer to 1st: I think so.

Answer to 2nd: Who is Jon. I dont have the faintest idea who Jon is or what you are talking about. Or what Jon has to do with this ?  Maybe you are confusing me with Peter, Paul and Sailas, or Mary? Its that age thing again?

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Ok, enough guys....lets discuss the data only, please...

The data is here - below. Either it means something for Tina Bar, or it doesn't. R99 used to refer to it and use it - now apparently he doesn't.  Either it means something for Tina Bar, or it doesn't.

Please note!  The peak Bradley refers to (flooding in the Washougal 1977) seems to be shown in this data for this USGS gage. In addition to this R99 has always said to ignore everything under 10ft in this data, for relevancy to Tina Bar ? At least that's what I thought he's been saying?

Kermit said: Jon said that he had never seen water from the river going into the containment area of the Fazio property or vice-versa.  The numerical elevations mentioned are my eyeball estimates as stated in that post.

What are the numbers you mentioned relative to?  Are they feet above sea level?  Are they simply a reading on a gage somewhere?  Where were they measured?

Answer: I think its feet above sea level?

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Did flood water ever spill(for lack of a better term) from the Fazios side down the embankment and into the river?

Let me reply to this and to several other posts at the same time.  In 2013, Meyer Louie and I spent a day at Tina Bar and thoroughly checked out the embankment area between Tina Bar and the Fazio property.

A fellow named "Jon" (I don't know his last name but he had the keys to the Tina Bar gate) told us that he had visited Tina Bar on almost a daily basis for the previous 50 years.  He pointed to a railroad tie that was embedded in the embankment between the river and the Fazio dairy containment pit and said that it represented the highest water level that he had ever seen at Tina Bar.  There was no way to measure its elevation from the river water level, but my guess is that the railroad tie was at least 20 feet above the river surface or about 20 to 25 feet above sea level.  The railroad tie was also about two or three feet below the top of the embankment.

Jon also told us that he had never seen any river water flow onto the Fazio property at Tina Bar or seen any flow from the Fazio property into the river.  Meyer and I checked the Tina Bar area as best we could including going over the containment pit, which was dry, with metal detectors.

The FBI appears to have checked the area for some distance from the water's edge.  I do not know of anything that would suggest that their search was not comprehensive.  But it might have been a good idea to check along the water's edge further upstream and downstream from the money find location than they actually did.

To repeat, it appears that the bill packets and fragments were found relatively close to the water's edge and that nothing was found further away.

Your Fisherman is telling a story that is NOT backed up by facts ! Ask “ Jon “ your fisherman where he was during the Christmas flood of 1964 or the “ Pineapple Express flood of 1996 “ ! I lived there and both those floods exceeded 27 ft. The Vanport flood exceeded 31 feet in 1948 and yes I hate to admit I witnessed that one also. I count at least 6 floods since 1964 that exceeded 21 feet so where was Jon during those floods ? My point is that facts dispute Jon’s story.

Jon said that he had never seen water from the river going into the containment area of the Fazio property or vice-versa.  The numerical elevations mentioned are my eyeball estimates as stated in that post.

What are the numbers you mentioned relative to?  Are they feet above sea level?  Are they simply a reading on a gage somewhere?  Where were they measured?

The Columbia is considered at flood stage when it hits 16 foot at Port of Vancouver. In 1996 and 1964 it was over 27 feet on the gauge which is a whooping 11 plus feet above flood stage. Trust me this river is not friendly and I doubt any fisherman were fishing during these floods ! JMHO

Is the gage you are referring to the one on the north side of the river and a few hundred feet east of I-5?  Also, I have never said that Jon or anyone else was fishing during a flood event.

It is amazing how simple statements gain unfounded claims during the translation.

Yes that is the correct gage ! Nowhere did I say you said anything about Jon fishing during a flood event ! I SIMPLY made note that I’m pretty sure Jon wasn’t fishing at Tina Bar during any of these floods ! DUH ! So how would he know how high the river went up Tina Bar if he wasn’t there ? Pretty obvious to me that when the river at 27 feet and over 11 feet above the agreed flood stage that Most of Tina Bar is covered ! If you think otherwise...... you are entitled to your opinion !  Fishermen are known to tell tall tales or haven’t you heard ? 🤣