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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Offline Shutter

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5370 on: September 06, 2020, 05:49:31 PM »
Using a regular basic transit would probably be enough required. they are not expensive to buy or use. buying a drone with the software is between 3 and 5k for a good unit..then if you hire a company it will be over a grand for there service..

Since the landscape has changed dramatically over the years I'm not sure what a current survey would tell you...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5371 on: September 06, 2020, 05:57:11 PM »
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There are several surveying companies in the Vancouver/Portland area that have the latest equipment and can do this.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5372 on: September 06, 2020, 06:01:08 PM »
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Using a regular basic transit would probably be enough required. they are not expensive to buy or use. buying a drone with the software is between 3 and 5k for a good unit..then if you hire a company it will be over a grand for there service..

Since the landscape has changed dramatically over the years I'm not sure what a current survey would tell you...

In this day and age, I doubt if anyone still knows how to use a transit.  Using the latest technology is fast, accurate, would cover the entire Tina Bar area and not just a few points.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5373 on: September 06, 2020, 06:02:54 PM »
It's been a while but I use to use one often before lasers came into play. we used a transit to mark the side of buildings..
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5374 on: September 06, 2020, 06:05:40 PM »
Given the landscape now I don't see how this would help. the location is underwater..no beach or slope. no distance from the location to the waterline etc..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5375 on: September 06, 2020, 10:04:30 PM »
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Robert, you need to stop implying everyone has a shrink or needs one. this has become a common thing lately. then implying someone secretly favor's a theory is starting to sound like you know who over at the DZ. the only thing missing is saying people are jealous.

We have lots of theories and some are better than others. at this point that's all they are until they are proven. if you disagree then explain why without the insults. running people off because you believe you are right will hardly allow a thread to function.

The same "click" applies that I gave Georger...

Shutter

For those of us who DO HAVE shrinks, I am beginning to resent the accusations that needing one makes one less than a mentally sound Cooperite.

BTW, most of my ex'es think that anyone who investigates DB Cooper has to be crazy, which is one reason why I am currently unmarried.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5376 on: September 06, 2020, 11:18:48 PM »
FJ reports tonight - slope:

•    #62474
4 hours ago (edited)

"At the TBAR money spot the estimated slope from money spot to the water.. in 1980.
 
slope in degrees,, 5.7 - 6.5
slope % 10 - 11.4  "

That sounds reasonable. Let me check some other files .... later. No explanation from FJ on how he arrives at these numbers ...
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« Reply #5377 on: September 07, 2020, 12:19:33 AM »
Here is a complete list of 302s found in FOIA Parts 45-48 compiled by me, that have any bearing on the Money Find and related topics. Some of these 302s are synopses of larger reports by people including Palmer, Bradley, Ingram interviews, etc. The 302 posted by FJ which he called the Palmer report is NOT the full Palmer report, but only a 302 synopsis of that report, shown below. 

Parts 45-48 have been completely catalogued now. A number of very interesting files on other topics emerged which I will be posting as time allows.

Money-find related 302s in Parts 45-48:
D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-043 Ingram
D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-044 Ingram
D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-045 Ingram
D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-046 Ingram
D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-047 Ingram
D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-048 Palmer
D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-049 Ingram
D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-050 Bradley
D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-051 Bradley
D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-054 Lab work
D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-055 Lab work
D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-083 Palmer interview
D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-084 Palmer interview
D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-086 Palmer interview
D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-109 Globe Indemnity
D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-110 Globe Indemnity
D.B. Cooper Part 47 of 47-269 Tosaw Columbia search
D.B. Cooper Part 47 of 47-339 SA Eichler and Tosaw search
D.B. Cooper Part 48 of 48-043 Ingrams want money/reward!
D.B. Cooper Part 48 of 48-044 Ingrams want money
D.B. Cooper Part 48 of 48-049 Ingram money at court
D.B. Cooper Part 48 of 48-050 Ingram money at court
     

Example: Here is D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-048 Palmer which is what FJ found and posted then called the Palmer report. This is a full image of the whole 302.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5378 on: September 07, 2020, 12:38:50 AM »
Here is D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-043 Ingram which relates Ingram calling in to the Portland Office and the nine serial numbers he gave. 
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5379 on: September 07, 2020, 01:26:00 AM »
Palmer post excavation interview - D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-083 Palmer
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5380 on: September 07, 2020, 01:27:46 AM »
Palmer post excavation interview - D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-084 Palmer.
 
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5381 on: September 07, 2020, 01:29:55 AM »
Palmer post excavation interview - D.B. Cooper Part 46 of 46-086 Palmer

Hard to read. Had to scale down to get it under 200k. Identifies pop cans found in same layer as money close to Ingram find. Turns out one can is not even bottled or sold in the Portland area ? Interesting.  Sioux City Sarsparilla.  :-\
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5382 on: September 07, 2020, 09:44:55 AM »
Sioux City Sarsparilla
Nesbitt's orange

Raley’s Supermarket seems to be the place to purchase the root beer..most were in California along with Sioux city.. if you are looking for “The Granddaddy of all Root Beers” DO NOT DRINK SIOUX CITY ROOT BEER!  Drink Sioux City Sarsaparilla.

 Nesbitt's became the US market leader of orange soda pop during the late 1940s and 1950s, with advertisements featuring then-unknown model Marilyn Monroe in 1946, and proclaiming itself to be the "Largest selling bottled orange drink in the world". Nesbitt's own brand of orange beverage was surpassed in popularity by Fanta in the late 1960s and then faded in popularity. In 1972
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5383 on: September 07, 2020, 12:33:36 PM »
Do we know for sure how Cooper packed the money. Did he use the spare chute as a money bag? Also, do we know that he secured it from his body or did he hang it from a line?

Anything we know from the reports, not conjecture?
 

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« Reply #5384 on: September 07, 2020, 04:17:29 PM »
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Do we know for sure how Cooper packed the money. Did he use the spare chute as a money bag? Also, do we know that he secured it from his body or did he hang it from a line?

Anything we know from the reports, not conjecture?

No simple answer to this. No, we dont know how Cooper packed the money with certainty. The problem began when the knapsack Cooper requested was not delivered to him. Coop had obviously intended to use a knapsack to house and transport the money. When that failed ....  the following passages apply:

Transcript T1 resumes:
7:54 pm    t1   
MSP:      As soon as reasonably sure the man has left the quicker you can land.
305:    Roger. Miss Mucklow said he apparently has the knapsack around him and thinks he will attempt a jump. 
MSP:      Roger. After leaving this freq go to 131.8 we have direct phone patch
There (to Company and FBI)
305:       Roger.
            
From Crew Interviews:
When Mucklow returned to the plane with the last back pack chute, she saw that the hijacker had one of the small chutes open and was cutting nylon cords out with his pocket knife. He took the nylon cord and wrapped it around the neck of the money bag numerous times and then he wrapped it a few times from top to bottom, and with the same piece (of cord)  he made a loop like a handle at the top. This nylon cord was pinkish in color. He appeared irritated that they hadn’t given him a knapsack for the money as requested, and after trying to put the money in an unfolded parachute, he decided to leave it in the canvas bag (and fabricate a holding line for that, instead).   

Mucklow Interview II:
The plane took off (with the rear door ajar) and she held her ears because of the loud noise from the engines. Approximately four minutes after take off he stood up and told her to go the cockpit and close the first class curtain, and for no one to come back behind the curtain. The lights were out in the rear compartment and she went forward, faced the curtain, (and turned around and looked?) and the last time she saw him he had a nylon cord tied around his waste and he was standing in the isle. Before she secured the curtain she called back and pleaded with him to take the bomb with him or disarm it before he left.   
 
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