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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5355 on: September 04, 2020, 07:07:41 PM »
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However, my point was to suggest how farfetched the theory that Cooper landed near Tena Bar, buried the money immediately, and then returned six months later to recover it. It certainly sounds easy to write, but when you consider all of the possible variables (the weather, disorientation, adrenaline, flooding, passage of time) this theory becomes harder and harder to swallow.


Unfortunately for you the evidence points to a scenario very similar to this as being the truth of it all.
Unfortunately for me? Sorry, unlike some people, I’m not in this case for selfish reasons. Can you say the same?

Also, while you have created a theory that could account for The physical evidence, I don’t think it’s particularly plausible. That was the point of my post. I could create a theory using time travel, space aliens, and Bigfoot scat that accounts for the physical evidence too. That wouldn’t make it plausible.

I appreciate your confidence though. Keep up the good work.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5356 on: September 04, 2020, 07:43:44 PM »
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Unfortunately for me? Sorry, unlike some people, I’m not in this case for selfish reasons. Can you say the same?

Also, while you have created a theory that could account for The physical evidence, I don’t think it’s particularly plausible. That was the point of my post. I could create a theory using time travel, space aliens, and Bigfoot scat that accounts for the physical evidence too. That wouldn’t make it plausible.

I appreciate your confidence though. Keep up the good work.

Wow. How very powerful and compelling. You lecturing me with your condescending words of wisdom and equivalency.

This is an argument you will not win. Do you disagree? If so I've been asking for months for someone to challenge me to a debate on the Western Flight Path and/or the Tena Bar money find as part of an episode of Darren's 'The Cooper Vortex.' Perhaps you will be that person? Or am I just being selfish?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5357 on: September 04, 2020, 09:17:48 PM »
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Unfortunately for me? Sorry, unlike some people, I’m not in this case for selfish reasons. Can you say the same?

Also, while you have created a theory that could account for The physical evidence, I don’t think it’s particularly plausible. That was the point of my post. I could create a theory using time travel, space aliens, and Bigfoot scat that accounts for the physical evidence too. That wouldn’t make it plausible.

I appreciate your confidence though. Keep up the good work.

Wow. How very powerful and compelling. You lecturing me with your condescending words of wisdom and equivalency.

This is an argument you will not win. Do you disagree? If so I've been asking for months for someone to challenge me to a debate on the Western Flight Path and/or the Tena Bar money find as part of an episode of Darren's 'The Cooper Vortex.' Perhaps you will be that person? Or am I just being selfish?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5358 on: September 04, 2020, 09:54:33 PM »
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A kicked dog barks.

Which is code for you're all bark and no bite. How very predictable.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5359 on: September 04, 2020, 10:44:52 PM »
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 I think it is far more likely that Cooper died in the jump and the money ended up on Tena Bar through natural means.


Chaucer, I want to thank you for supporting my theory about what happened to Cooper and how the money got to Tina Bar. ??? :o ::)
 

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« Reply #5360 on: September 04, 2020, 11:26:32 PM »
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A kicked dog barks.

Which is code for you're all bark and no bite. How very predictable.
First, I wasn’t looking to argue with you. I was pointing out some reasons why I thought your theory wasn’t plausible. At no time was I insulting or disrespectful to you. However, you are seemingly incapable of receiving even mild criticism. Any pushback, regardless of how small, is seen as an attack and you get defensive and angry.

“This is an argument you won’t win.”?

Challenging me to a debate on a podcast?

“You’re all bark?”

You take these things so personal. I didn’t insult your mother. I just pointed out reasons why I think your theory is implausible, and you couldn’t handle it.

I did enjoy you saying that I was lecturing you and acting condescendingly. Nothing better than ironic humor!

R99 - It’s that darned Western Flight Path. So close, yet so far away!
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5361 on: September 05, 2020, 01:32:11 AM »
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R99 - It’s that darned Western Flight Path. So close, yet so far away!


Chaucer, You know you absolutely LOVE the Western Flight Path, even if you can't bring yourself to admit it.

Perhaps your shrink can help you understand how to overcome your mental block.
 

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« Reply #5362 on: September 05, 2020, 09:42:46 PM »
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R99 - It’s that darned Western Flight Path. So close, yet so far away!


Chaucer, You know you absolutely LOVE the Western Flight Path, even if you can't bring yourself to admit it.


Perhaps your shrink can help you understand how to overcome your mental block.
You think I have mental problems because I don't agree with your theory? I hope that's a bad joke because if not, then you are as sensitive as EU when it comes to resistance.

If people can't have reasonable, respectful discussions here without resorting to childish attacks, then I'm out.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5363 on: September 05, 2020, 10:06:08 PM »
Robert, you need to stop implying everyone has a shrink or needs one. this has become a common thing lately. then implying someone secretly favor's a theory is starting to sound like you know who over at the DZ. the only thing missing is saying people are jealous.

We have lots of theories and some are better than others. at this point that's all they are until they are proven. if you disagree then explain why without the insults. running people off because you believe you are right will hardly allow a thread to function.

The same "click" applies that I gave Georger...

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5364 on: September 06, 2020, 03:56:56 PM »
GEORGER, does the Palmer Report mention anything about the slope of the beach? I know Tom Kaye conducted measurements, however, this was done years later and a couple of hundred feet from the money find spot.
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« Reply #5365 on: September 06, 2020, 04:59:27 PM »
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GEORGER, does the Palmer Report mention anything about the slope of the beach? I know Tom Kaye conducted measurements, however, this was done years later and a couple of hundred feet from the money find spot.

Good question - no it doesn't! I wish it did.  ;)  And neither does any other report that Tom and I received that accompanied the Palmer report.   

My impression is the slope was a gentle rise from the water line back to the road, then elevation increases steadily. Nautical charts of the area give a rough impression relative to sea level, but nothing specific for Tina Bar. R99 has posted about this and may have something specific. Sluggo asked the same question back in the day and finally posted two different charts only to find out he picked the wrong location. I never knew what utility he was using to generate his charts, but he had the money location wrong and he never went back to make a new chart based on the correct location ... the whole issue was dropped at DZ and nobody including Sluggo ever revisited the issue again.

The photo of Brian posed at Tina Bar is very misleading. It makes it appear as if Brian is on a steep rise, which is not the case. The camera had to be very low looking up at Brian which creates the false impression that the rise is steep, which it is not.

Here is Sluggo's first attempt using some utility ...
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5366 on: September 06, 2020, 05:01:40 PM »
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GEORGER, does the Palmer Report mention anything about the slope of the beach? I know Tom Kaye conducted measurements, however, this was done years later and a couple of hundred feet from the money find spot.

Here is Sluggo's second attempt using a Google Maps utility of some kind ... notice Sluggo's location is wrong.  Sluggo thought at the time this is where the Ingram find was but he was wrong! He never went back to produce a slope line at the correct find location. Others things came up and he just never revisited this issue...   

I am sure R99 will see the flaw in the location Sluggo used. I think R99 may have a pretty good idea what the actual slope was at the find site in 1980. I would almost bank that R99 has that info in some form, based on his past posts. 

BTW:  I have now gone through all of the 302s I can find that relate to the excavation and there is nothing about coordinates for the find site or technical info including slope at the find site - that I noticed. 
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« Reply #5367 on: September 06, 2020, 05:27:33 PM »
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GEORGER, does the Palmer Report mention anything about the slope of the beach? I know Tom Kaye conducted measurements, however, this was done years later and a couple of hundred feet from the money find spot.

Good question - no it doesn't! I wish it did.  ;)  And neither does any other report that Tom and I received that accompanied the Palmer report.   

My impression is the slope was a gentle rise from the water line back to the road, then elevation increases steadily. Nautical charts of the area give a rough impression relative to sea level, but nothing specific for Tina Bar. R99 has posted about this and may have something specific. Sluggo asked the same question back in the day and finally posted two different charts only to find out he picked the wrong location. I never knew what utility he was using to generate his charts, but he had the money location wrong and he never went back to make a new chart based on the correct location ... the whole issue was dropped at DZ and nobody including Sluggo ever revisited the issue again.

The photo of Brian posed at Tina Bar is very misleading. It makes it appear as if Brian is on a steep rise, which is not the case. The camera had to be very low looking up at Brian which creates the false impression that the rise is steep, which it is not.

Here is Sluggo's first attempt using some utility ...

Basically, maps are unless in trying to determine the slopes and elevations in the Tina Bar area.  These maps are machine drawn based on the eyeball estimate of the person operating the machine.  And the machine operator is probably looking at aerial photographs to make his estimates.

As I suggested a while back, a local land surveyor could make an onsite survey of Tina Bar using the latest GPS, drones, and other electronic equipment to produce an extremely accurate three dimensional map of the area.  And that would be well worth the expense.
 
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5368 on: September 06, 2020, 05:37:10 PM »
 

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« Reply #5369 on: September 06, 2020, 05:41:22 PM »

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