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« Reply #2550 on: April 23, 2018, 01:47:22 PM »
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So if there appears to be more unsolved skyjackings in the US,then we is our beloved Cooper caper referred to the"only unsolved hijacking in US history" ????

This was an early media report re: Hahneman, they were all solved except Cooper.

but the question is, why was he officially NOT Cooper... can't find anything on that.

If he was doing work for CIA (not the hijacking) that suggests motive for a coverup.

Either there is solid evidence to eliminate Hahneman from NORJAK or a CIA coverup...

It is highly unlikely that the CIA would have someone hijack an airliner just to obtain $303,000.  That amount is small potatoes in the CIA's budget and they didn't need the publicity either.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2551 on: April 23, 2018, 02:06:50 PM »
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So if there appears to be more unsolved skyjackings in the US,then we is our beloved Cooper caper referred to the"only unsolved hijacking in US history" ????

This was an early media report re: Hahneman, they were all solved except Cooper.

but the question is, why was he officially NOT Cooper... can't find anything on that.

If he was doing work for CIA (not the hijacking) that suggests motive for a coverup.

Either there is solid evidence to eliminate Hahneman from NORJAK or a CIA coverup...

No No and No! There are other options. Just because you cant find or see the solid evidence to eliminate Hahneman from NORJAK, that does not mean there was a CIA coverup...

Apples or lack of apples in your house do not imply 'CIA Camels in Greenland' and no other choices!  :)  Very likely you just failed to shop for apples last week!   ;)
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2552 on: April 23, 2018, 02:19:21 PM »
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So if there appears to be more unsolved skyjackings in the US,then we is our beloved Cooper caper referred to the"only unsolved hijacking in US history" ????

This was an early media report re: Hahneman, they were all solved except Cooper.

but the question is, why was he officially NOT Cooper... can't find anything on that.

If he was doing work for CIA (not the hijacking) that suggests motive for a coverup.

Either there is solid evidence to eliminate Hahneman from NORJAK or a CIA coverup...

No No and No! There are other options. Just because you cant find or see the solid evidence to eliminate Hahneman from NORJAK, that does not mean there was a CIA coverup...

Apples or lack of apples in your house do not imply 'CIA Camels in Greenland' and no other choices!  :)  Very likely you just failed to shop for apples last week!   ;)

Not really what I said... I used "OR" not IS

Two logical options..

There is an undisclosed legitimate reason to eliminate Hahneman from NORJAK OR there is a CIA coverup.

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« Reply #2553 on: April 23, 2018, 02:39:48 PM »
attached is a comparison photo of hahneman and db cooper
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« Reply #2554 on: April 23, 2018, 02:47:43 PM »
G wrote: ... 'CIA Camels in Greenland' ...

Yup. Those frozen camel carcasses fed the expedition that salvaged Glacier Girl, that P 38 fighter buried deep in the Greenland ice. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Why would the CIA raise funds by skyjacking? The drug trade was less risky and far more lucrative.

NORJACK just doesn't look like a spook op to me. Not even close. When you hear hoofbeats think horses, not unicorns.

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« Reply #2555 on: April 23, 2018, 02:56:54 PM »
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G wrote: ... 'CIA Camels in Greenland' ...

Yup. Those frozen camel carcasses fed the expedition that salvaged Glacier Girl, that P 38 fighter buried deep in the Greenland ice. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Why would the CIA raise funds by skyjacking? The drug trade was less risky and far more lucrative.

NORJACK just doesn't look like a spook op to me. Not even close. When you hear hoofbeats think horses, not unicorns.

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NOOOOOOOOOOO,   NOOOOOOOOOOOO,   NOOOOOOOOOO

I never claimed the hijacking was a spook operation.

CIA wasn't involved in either hijacking, they (possibly) covered up the NORJAK connection in a deal to give Hahneman a light sentence and prevent embarrassment if Hahneman linked to other CIA ops.. Hahneman did not disclose the location of the ransom money and it was recovered a year later without any details.

Theory, Hahneman cut a deal... he had leverage


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« Reply #2556 on: April 23, 2018, 03:01:54 PM »
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So if there appears to be more unsolved skyjackings in the US,then we is our beloved Cooper caper referred to the"only unsolved hijacking in US history" ????

This was an early media report re: Hahneman, they were all solved except Cooper.

but the question is, why was he officially NOT Cooper... can't find anything on that.

If he was doing work for CIA (not the hijacking) that suggests motive for a coverup.

Either there is solid evidence to eliminate Hahneman from NORJAK or a CIA coverup...

No No and No! There are other options. Just because you cant find or see the solid evidence to eliminate Hahneman from NORJAK, that does not mean there was a CIA coverup...

Apples or lack of apples in your house do not imply 'CIA Camels in Greenland' and no other choices!  :)  Very likely you just failed to shop for apples last week!   ;)

Not really what I said... I used "OR" not IS

Two logical options..

There is an undisclosed legitimate reason to eliminate Hahneman from NORJAK OR there is a CIA coverup.

A does not imply B.

OR you cant speak English correctly?  Tired of trying to unravel your logics, in any event. Good luck. 
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« Reply #2557 on: April 23, 2018, 03:05:41 PM »
Deals are possible. Happens a lot. Usually, it involves testifying or providing evidence against others, not hushing up spook ops. But look at Ted Braden. He clearly cut some sort of sweet deal after he was captured in Angola. Deserters from combat usually get draconian sentences. Ted was reinstated in rank and put back to work. General Singlaub was personally involved in that arrangement. What was Ted's deal? He clearly had leverage.

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« Reply #2558 on: April 23, 2018, 03:07:01 PM »
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G wrote: ... 'CIA Camels in Greenland' ...

Yup. Those frozen camel carcasses fed the expedition that salvaged Glacier Girl, that P 38 fighter buried deep in the Greenland ice. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Why would the CIA raise funds by skyjacking? The drug trade was less risky and far more lucrative.

NORJACK just doesn't look like a spook op to me. Not even close. When you hear hoofbeats think horses, not unicorns.

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It could be those pesky Grays again - they're everywhere! Or the Pinks or the Purples.

So many options, so little time. So many experts, so little storage space.

It's all in Chapter three of "Basic Patterns in Nature and NORJAK AND HALUCINATIONS".   :rofl: :congrats:
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2559 on: April 23, 2018, 03:21:00 PM »
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Deals are possible. Happens a lot. Usually, it involves testifying or providing evidence against others, not hushing up spook ops. But look at Ted Braden. He clearly cut some sort of sweet deal after he was captured in Angola. Deserters from combat usually get draconian sentences. Ted was reinstated in rank and put back to work. General Singlaub was personally involved in that arrangement. What was Ted's deal? He clearly had leverage.

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Hahneman plead guilty to air piracy, all other charges dropped suggests a bigger deal.. served 12 years.

Perhaps Hahneman had knowledge of illegal CIA activity plus the location of the ransom, that is leverage. At the time the CIA was under scrutiny for expanded illegal activity.

That is speculation...

We need to know why Hahneman was eliminated as a NORJAK suspect..
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« Reply #2560 on: April 23, 2018, 04:09:46 PM »
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So if there appears to be more unsolved skyjackings in the US,then we is our beloved Cooper caper referred to the"only unsolved hijacking in US history" ????

This was an early media report re: Hahneman, they were all solved except Cooper.

but the question is, why was he officially NOT Cooper... can't find anything on that.

If he was doing work for CIA (not the hijacking) that suggests motive for a coverup.

Either there is solid evidence to eliminate Hahneman from NORJAK or a CIA coverup...

No No and No! There are other options. Just because you cant find or see the solid evidence to eliminate Hahneman from NORJAK, that does not mean there was a CIA coverup...

Apples or lack of apples in your house do not imply 'CIA Camels in Greenland' and no other choices!  :)  Very likely you just failed to shop for apples last week!   ;)

Not really what I said... I used "OR" not IS

Two logical options..

There is an undisclosed legitimate reason to eliminate Hahneman from NORJAK OR there is a CIA coverup.

A does not imply B.

OR you cant speak English correctly?  Tired of trying to unravel your logics, in any event. Good luck.

Yes, the inverse..

If A true then B false.

If A false then B true.. based on the fact that Hahneman is a good match for NORJAK and not a suspect.
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« Reply #2561 on: April 23, 2018, 04:45:52 PM »
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I think this is a little bit interesting
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« Reply #2562 on: April 23, 2018, 05:30:50 PM »
According to the FBI be is 5' 8" that eleiminates him right there plus other things we probably don't know about....
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« Reply #2563 on: April 23, 2018, 06:16:57 PM »
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According to the FBI be is 5' 8" that eleiminates him right there plus other things we probably don't know about....

C'mon "Probably don't know about" isn't good enough... there may be something but unless we know what it is, we can't eliminate on faith

The FBI's height was an initial suspect description...that doesn't mean it was accurate, even Cooper's was initially 5' 9"- 6'..

In pics with agents, he looks taller than 5' 8"...

Stack all the pieces that are consistent with Cooper..  and you hang on an unverifiable inch..







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« Reply #2564 on: April 23, 2018, 06:53:52 PM »
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I think this is a little bit interesting

and this, "Bill" Hahneman hid at his home...


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"TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras (AP) — The Honduran ambassador to the United Nations says the hijacker of a U.S. jetliner stayed at his Tegucigalpa home after bailing out over a Honduran jungle with $303,000 ransom. The ambassador, Roberto Martinez Ordonez, said the hijacker is his cousin and they spent part of their childhood together in the Martinez Ordonez home. “Although he was my cousin, I considered him my brother,” Martinez Ordonez said of the hijacker, Frederick William Hahneman. Hahneman, 49, surrendered to the U.S. Embassy in Tegucigalpa on June 3, nearly a month after bailing out of the pirated Eastern Airlines jet over remote jungle with the ransom money. It was not learned how long he spent at Martinez Ordonez’ home. The ambassador was in New York at the time. Martinez Ordonez returned to Honduras a few days ago and put his diplomatic immunity aside in a meeting with U.S. Ambassador Hewson A. Ryan. An FBI agent is expected here soon to question him further. “Since Bill was a guest in my house, my testimony could serve in some way to clear up the matter,” he said Sunday. Hahneman went to the United States when he was 12 years old and chose U.S. citizenship when he was 18, said Martinez Ordonez. He later lived in the Orient and had not returned to Honduras for almost 20 years. For this reason, the ambassador said he doubted that the hijacking was done for political reasons. “I can assure you,” he added. “That he loved the U.S. very much.” Hahneman had none of the ransom money when he surrendered and Indicated there was a political motive for his ransom demand. Hahneman comandeered a commercial flight with 48 passengers aboard the morning of May 5 and forced the pilot to land at Washington, D.C., where he demanded and collected the ransom. The hijacked plane next landed at New Orleans because of a mechanical failure. Hahneman transferred to another jet which flew to Central America. During the early morning hours he bailed out over the jungles of eastern Honduras. Hahneman is being held without bail in Alexandria, Va., pending trial on several charges including air piracy."
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