I could be wrong G but that excerpt doesn't read like it came from either of the F 106 pilots. Sounds more like a radar operator's narrative.

At night, even in clear weather, trailing a 727 from 5 miles back, chase planes wouldn't see much more than its lights.

Again, I may be wrong. Show me evidence that the F 106 pilots actually saw the 727 and I'll change my mind.

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I tend to agree. I think Flyjack found this excerpt and posted it to make some point - then Shutter picked it up and posted it to make his point - but we have not been shown the whole doc or series of docs from which this single passage was pulled. FJ and Shutter have a bad habit of posting pieces of things vs whole documents. 

In any event, even if this is a radar ops comment, or even a controllers comment, there must be some basis for it? If the comment is accurate, whatever the source, it tends to redefine when and where Cooper bailed ?   

*Bits and pieces of things do not add up to a smoking gun, much less to a corpse!   

The solution to the Cooper case may rest with the history of Jello - and the adherents of Jello! 

 

I posted the entire page concerning the fighter jets. then I posted where it was from and how to find it. out of the three pages the other two are not related to that subject.

Then a couple days later explained it was probably the fighter jets the radar operator was speaking about and not 305.

So the passages are from a radar operator ... being quoted in an FBI 302?

It is impossible to keep track of or remember cross postings posted by somebody in some thread on something ...  in some forum somewhere!

Reading the document again suggest it was someone from KPDX. stated at the start of the page. possibly who ever is in charge of the tower.

He goes on to explain that the fighters were 5 miles behind and somewhere around where they believed Cooper jumped. they veered east and made a sudden turn. to explain the location further he speaks of a small airfield that has skydiving in the area and is marked on the sectional map. the only location marked on the map and is a small airfield was Scholl's. if the operator is correct then Cooper bailed further south than they first believed and this kind of confirms Carr's statements saying the samething.

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Reading the document again suggest it was someone from KPDX. stated at the start of the page. possibly who ever is in charge of the tower.

He goes on to explain that the fighters were 5 miles behind and somewhere around where they believed Cooper jumped. they veered east and made a sudden turn. to explain the location further he speaks of a small airfield that has skydiving in the area and is marked on the sectional map. the only location marked on the map and is a small airfield was Scholl's. if the operator is correct then Cooper bailed further south than they first believed and this kind of confirms Carr's statements saying the samething.

Thanks for the explanation - found this.

As I understand the above, it was the F-106s that the Portland radar operator saw east of V-23 and not the airliner.  Also, the reference to "Vector 23", which was probably taken from some Seattle radio transcripts, should be to "Victor 23". 

There is no reference to any airway taken on the document surrounding the fighters. a ground location is given.

The recent posts regarding a radar operator at Portland claiming to have seen the airliner on the east side of V-23 in the immediate Portland area means that he should also have seen the F-106s.

Then you have this that was recently posted on the DZ...Flyjack didn't mention where this came from.

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Then you have this that was recently posted on the DZ...Flyjack didn't mention where this came from.

Looks like about 2/3s of a page. Someone's book: Tosaw, Himms, Smith ... too lazy to post the source.

It is not from Himmelsbach's or Tosaw's book.  I don't think that last paragraph will pass the smell test much less any other test.

It's from a book called "Amazing Flights And Flyers" he was an air traffic controller that was working that evening but I see some error's in the book from the start.. operator was Clifford Ammerman.

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The book is not by Clifford Ammerman. No evidence Clifford Ammerman was even interviewed for the book.

The book is "Amazing Flights And Flyers", a synopsis of aviation incidents and stories for the general public by a Canadian aviation writer: Shirlee Smith Matheson, published in 2010. The Preface says material for the book was gleaned from articles, histories, internet postings, personal interviews, etc ... see below. It looks like something FlyJack found ?   

No doubt this author followed Dropzone. Maybe Smith or Blevins knows her?

There is more about the Cooper hijacking before and after the page Shutter posted.