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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #255 on: November 24, 2021, 04:33:24 PM »
Podcaster from CC21

This podcast is from an outfit known as "Death in the West," and they focus on the history of the west via true crime. Hence DBC and McCoy.

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The host is named Zach and I stole half his beer when he got up from our booth to head to the head before interviewing Bill Mitchell. He seems to have forgiven me.... BTW: Chatting with Bill was delightful. More details came forth from him:

1. He and many passengers did not move forward until final approach. He did see Tina bring the money aft.
2. Tina carried the money bag in front of her, clutching it with two hands and holding it torso-high. Bill did not see a hand-off from any men in the forward part of the plane as described by Finegold and MacPherson.
3. Bill did not see any "scuffle" or argumentation in mid-cabin as described in 302s and other passengers, such as MacPherson.
4. Currently, he is not looking at any pix of suspects, saying that it was too long ago and his memory is too fuzzy to be able to make such an important determination. He turned down a request from Ron and Pat Forman to take a look at Barb.
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #256 on: November 24, 2021, 04:38:39 PM »
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Podcaster from CC21

This podcast is from an outfit known as "Death in the West," and they focus on the history of the west via true crime. Hence DBC and McCoy.

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The host is named Zach and I stole half his beer when he got up from our booth to head to the head before interviewing Bill Mitchell. He seems to have forgiven me.... BTW: Chatting with Bill was delightful. More details came forth from him:

1. He and many passengers did not move forward until final approach. He did see Tina bring the money aft.
2. Tina carried the money bag in front of her, clutching it with two hands and holding it torso-high. Bill did not see a hand-off from any men in the forward part of the plane as described by Finegold and MacPherson.
3. Bill did not see any "scuffle" or argumentation in mid-cabin as described in 302s and other passengers, such as MacPherson.
4. Currently, he is not looking at any pix of suspects, saying that it was too long ago and his memory is too fuzzy to be able to make such an important determination. He turned down a request from Ron and Pat Forman to take a look at Barb.

Bruce, did Ammerman make any comments about the long periods of silence in the ATC transcripts during the time he was the controller?
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #257 on: November 24, 2021, 04:53:46 PM »
Not that I heard.

Along those lines, Cliff said that he only spoke twice to 305 directly. Once when he took over the flight from the previous ATC, and the second time was when he asked 305 for identification as he prepared to hand them off to the ATC south of him.

Eric might know more as he spent a lot of time with Cliff on and off the stage.
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #258 on: December 16, 2021, 03:58:41 PM »
Dan Gryder's video, "DB Cooper Mystery Solved?",  its compelling as hell.  McCoy's daughter comes across to me as very credible.  Now I know many of  you do not want to hear this. Sure, I like the mystery myself, and a part of me hopes its never solved.  Officially its never going to be.  Or at least forensically.  So Gryder believes he could not have held on to the money and pulled the rip chord?  And that he dropped it in the river.  Thus he goes back and robs another one.  His wife was in on it according to Gryder.  Well I am sure you have all watched it If not, you should watch it.  He does a fabulous job of putting this show together.  That much you cant deny.  So I am at least back on the fence as far as Richard Floyd McCoy.  Maybe we find Bigfoot before we find the money.  Ask Kay if the money were in the water, in a chute, would there be anything left of it?  I find McCoy's daughter not only very hot, but very credible.
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #259 on: December 16, 2021, 06:18:40 PM »
Re: McCoy

Where's the parachute?
What alias did McCoy use when he flew into and out of PDX?
Where did he actually land?
Where did he buy the tie?
Why did the Grad Student lie to the FBI about seeing McCoy on Thanksgiving?
How did McCoy fake the nicotine stains on his hand?
How did McCoy hide his accent and lisp from Tina for five hours?
How did McCoy hide his ears?
Why didn't any witness ID him?
Which parachute did he take?
What color was the container?
What color was the parachute?
Why did he take the non-functional reserve instead of the working reserve?
How long did it take him to plan this hijacking?
How did he know the 727 could fly with the stairs down?
How did he know the stairs wouldn't lock?
Why did he jump in the Pacific Northwest when he had no familiarity with the terrain and geography?
Why was he so calm and cool on 305 and such a hot mess on UAL?
How did he try to tie the money to himself?
What flight did he take to and from PDX? What airline?
When did he make the bomb? What was it made out of? Why did he change from a bomb to a gun and a grenade?
How about a handwriting sample from McCoy?
Why Bourbon and 7up?
How did the wife help? Specifically, what did she do?
When did he start skydiving? Where are his jump documents or cards?
How come there's no picture of him wearing the tie with the tie clip?
What shoes was he wearing? Do we have pictures of him in those shoes?
Why was he wearing loafers?

Etc etc
 
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #260 on: December 16, 2021, 06:53:25 PM »
Excellent list of questions, Marty.

Do you think Gryder is gonna take them and start on his next video documentary on McCoy as Cooper?
 
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #261 on: December 16, 2021, 07:25:56 PM »
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I find McCoy's daughter not only very hot, but very credible.

Maybe you find her credible because you find her hot. That mistake has been the downfall of many a man.
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #262 on: December 16, 2021, 07:42:37 PM »
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I find McCoy's daughter not only very hot, but very credible.

Maybe you find her credible because you find her hot. That mistake has been the downfall of many a man.
I swear this is the horniest true crime case of all time…
 
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #263 on: December 16, 2021, 08:06:31 PM »
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I find McCoy's daughter not only very hot, but very credible.

Maybe you find her credible because you find her hot. That mistake has been the downfall of many a man.
I swear this is the horniest true crime case of all time…

Certainly the thirstyist.
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #264 on: December 16, 2021, 09:12:58 PM »
Perhaps Eric can stage The Battle of the Blondes at CC22 - Marla, Lisa Story, and now Chante McCoy. At CC21, neither Marla nor Lisa budged an inch in their belief that their uncles were DB Cooper. Now we've got another blond bombshell that not only claims her Daddy was DB, but that Mommy was in on it, too!

Perhaps it could be followed by a mud-wrestling contest between Old Man Gryder and Half-A-Haircut Darren Schaefer. Kick his motherf*****g ass, Darren. My money's on ya!

We might need a bigger venue, Eric. I don't think the Kiggins is gonna be big enough.
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #265 on: December 17, 2021, 05:20:53 AM »
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I find McCoy's daughter not only very hot, but very credible.

Maybe you find her credible because you find her hot. That mistake has been the downfall of many a man.

Or an onerous tax, as 377 once advised me.
 
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #266 on: December 17, 2021, 02:32:55 PM »
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I find McCoy's daughter not only very hot, but very credible.

Maybe you find her credible because you find her hot. That mistake has been the downfall of many a man.

Cant argue with you on that man
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #267 on: December 29, 2021, 03:52:12 PM »

Andrade, is your presentation at CooperCon 2021 available?  I am particularly interested in the mathematics you used.
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #268 on: December 29, 2021, 05:28:09 PM »
I don't believe so, it was a panel discussion anyway, so I didn't go in depth. Eventually I will publish a post on the Bayesian analysis I did. I think I've given the numbers before on here. I want to flesh everything out.
 
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