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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1905 on: April 23, 2019, 05:37:45 PM »
The 20:02 point being the turn at the "21 degrees 30 minutes east" line on the yellow map?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1906 on: April 23, 2019, 05:47:15 PM »
If you look at the 8:02...8:03...8:05 plots you will see the plane drifts east from 8:02 position. it jogs more easterly from 8:03 to 8:05. I was thinking some southerly jog was there but it's not.

 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1907 on: April 23, 2019, 05:53:19 PM »
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"Then what is all of this talk about using flight recorder data and transcript conversations between the crew and Northwest Operations and Seattle Center? How were the plots derived? What about the three red plots hanging out in the open in west Portland?"

These would have been used to pinpoint the timing of the jump, which is dramatically marked in black right next to Ariel on the map by the BigBlackPen guy. It's possible they used the other information to come up with the timestamps on the map, but I believe these would have been part of the data readout.

Those hanging plots out to the west are interesting, but they are each exactly 5 minutes west of the fp. Hominid believed the RedPen guy had an issue reading the printout. Here is what he said: "They are each plotted exactly 5 minutes of longitude to the west of the correct positions.  This was no doubt a result of the fact that the minute marks are not labelled."

On the sectional, the minute marks aren't labelled and so it would be easy to start on the wrong square. Nothing there to hang a conspiracy on, I assure you.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1908 on: April 23, 2019, 06:06:46 PM »
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On the sectional, the minute marks aren't labelled and so it would be easy to start on the wrong square. Nothing there to hang a conspiracy on, I assure you.

I do not use the words "conspiracy" or "plant" in this case. I'm much more likely to use "error" and "buried".
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1909 on: April 23, 2019, 06:10:59 PM »
Semantics.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1910 on: April 23, 2019, 06:15:08 PM »
It appears that the marks could be nothing but an error.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1911 on: April 23, 2019, 06:16:08 PM »
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Semantics.

"Conspiracy" and "plant" imply malice.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1912 on: April 23, 2019, 06:34:51 PM »
I want to get a better reading on the area around the placard. I used a thicker solid line to mark with. using a thinner line as I did the other plots gives me a better reading on positions. I'm going to recheck all coords. these are the new coords for that area along with the yellow map showing the plots. I'm rechecking again...

8:02 plot N46°18.07' W122°42.22'
8:03 plot N46°15.10' W122°41.51'
8:05 plot N46°12.03' W122°39.09'

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1913 on: April 23, 2019, 06:50:50 PM »
I see what everyone means with posting photo's and exceeding the limit. I was on XP that didn't produce photo's like windows 8/10 does. I had no trouble in the past posting them. that's why I put them in Google Drive.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1914 on: April 23, 2019, 06:56:15 PM »
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I want to get a better reading on the area around the placard. I used a thicker solid line to mark with. using a thinner line as I did the other plots gives me a better reading on positions. I'm going to recheck all coords. these are the new coords for that area along with the yellow map showing the plots. I'm rechecking again...

8:02 plot N46°18.07' W122°42.22'
8:03 plot N46°15.10' W122°41.51'
8:05 plot N46°12.03' W122°39.09'

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I just plotted your spot at 8:02 and 8:05 and drew a straight line between the two. I arrive at a distance of 2302 feet between the flight path and placard find at its closest point. Again, this is directly into the wind.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1915 on: April 23, 2019, 06:58:35 PM »
Your 8:02 point is 0.36SM from mine. Your 8:05 point is 1SM from mine. In the case of both of your spots they're plotted slightly west and south of mine.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1916 on: April 23, 2019, 07:02:10 PM »
I'm getting different readings? it now shows the placard west of the path...with these new coords..
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1917 on: April 23, 2019, 07:05:57 PM »
here is what it's reading here?


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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1918 on: April 23, 2019, 07:14:02 PM »
I see where part of your info is different than mine. You have the jet arriving at a point at 8:03 that is west of my 8:03 point. This is because I have the jet flying directly between 8:02 and 8:05.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1919 on: April 23, 2019, 07:14:50 PM »
then you are missing a plot?