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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1920 on: April 23, 2019, 07:18:51 PM »
I'm using the red crosses on the map..radar plots.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1921 on: April 23, 2019, 07:24:43 PM »
The 8:03 plot is very close to being on a straight line from 8:02 to 8:05...probably 300 feet to the west.

The primary differences in our plots are subtle, but yours are slightly west of mine which would move the flight path closer to the placard. As I noted I still show a distance of approximately 2000 feet with yours whereas mine is about 4200 feet.

Our placard find plots are identical.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1922 on: April 23, 2019, 07:31:41 PM »
I'm showing under 500 feet...
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1923 on: April 23, 2019, 07:51:55 PM »
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1924 on: April 23, 2019, 07:59:32 PM »
Using your 8:03 plot and 8:05 plot and drawing a straight line between I show the placard at 471 feet NE of the flight path.

It seems to me that your 8:03 plot is too far west. If you note on the yellow map, the 8:03 plot is very close to the west-to-east halfway point between 8:02 and 8:05. I'm talking about the distance east that 8:05 is to 8:02.

Using your points, the 8:03 plot is about 20% of the distance east between 8:02 and 8:05.

I realize this is not very clear. My point is that it appears that your 8:03 plot is too far west.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1925 on: April 23, 2019, 09:37:50 PM »
After reviewing the coords again. it appears it's about 1,500 feet east of the card...that's about .3 miles...
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1926 on: April 23, 2019, 10:42:30 PM »
I haven't checked these numbers yet but this is the best I can do. I used two crosshairs to zero in on the plot. the inside corners are where the plot lines are at the top and side. followed by the crosshair from Skyvector. you can see the coords given by Skyvector in the upper right of the photo. I give up past this point  :rofl:


The coords for 8:03
N46°15.02' W122°41.22'
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The coords for 8:05
N46°11.12' W122°38.79'
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1927 on: April 24, 2019, 09:27:21 PM »
3 or 4 days ago I was in the area of the placard find. Weyerhaeuser owns a lot of the forest rights and Locked gates hindered my exploration. I’m still trying to locate the other hunter who accompanied Carroll Hicks who passed away quite a few years ago. Georger says Tom Kaye knows but I contacted Tom and he doesn’t know the name of the other hunter. Does anyone know who the other hunter was ? As I mentioned before, I have a friend who grew up In Toutle and might know the hunter if I knew his name.
 

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« Reply #1928 on: April 24, 2019, 09:52:37 PM »
I think the only option is to contact the family...
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1929 on: April 24, 2019, 11:18:42 PM »
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I think the only option is to contact the family...

How is it even possible that there are 2 hunters who found the placard from flight 305 and nobody from the FBI interviewed the second hunter ? The second hunter might remember a lot more details of where the placard was found !
 

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« Reply #1930 on: April 24, 2019, 11:44:30 PM »
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I think the only option is to contact the family...

How is it even possible that there are 2 hunters who found the placard from flight 305 and nobody from the FBI interviewed the second hunter ? The second hunter might remember a lot more details of where the placard was found !


The Hicks family. perhaps they would know who the friend was?
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1931 on: April 25, 2019, 12:13:36 AM »
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I think the only option is to contact the family...

How is it even possible that there are 2 hunters who found the placard from flight 305 and nobody from the FBI interviewed the second hunter ? The second hunter might remember a lot more details of where the placard was found !


The Hicks family. perhaps they would know who the friend was?

Much to do about nothing imho. The placard is not going to prove the whole flight path or when Cooper bailed, in any event. Does anyone seriously believe Hick's friend is going to issue NEW information and say the placard was found .... outside Dallas Texas!?  :rofl:
 

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« Reply #1932 on: April 25, 2019, 01:07:18 AM »
Yes Georger. Dallas. Grassy Knoll. H. Howard Hunt. Carlos Marcello. David Ferry. Oswald and clones 1 through 4. Duane of course knew all the players.

The only physical clue we have as to when Cooper left the aircraft is the pressure bump. Placard is not really relevant to determining jumper exit point.

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« Reply #1933 on: April 25, 2019, 02:57:01 PM »
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I think the only option is to contact the family...

How is it even possible that there are 2 hunters who found the placard from flight 305 and nobody from the FBI interviewed the second hunter ? The second hunter might remember a lot more details of where the placard was found !


The Hicks family. perhaps they would know who the friend was?

Much to do about nothing imho. The placard is not going to prove the whole flight path or when Cooper bailed, in any event. Does anyone seriously believe Hick's friend is going to issue NEW information and say the placard was found .... outside Dallas Texas!?  :rofl:
First off this guy was actually a hunting buddy who was there when the placard was found. As I recall they were picking up litter and had simply put the placard in their pocket and had no reason to mark the exact spot where it was found. His memory could actually be far better then Carroll Hicks. I had a hunting partner who had a terrible sense of direction and never had any idea where he was. The placard find location is one of ONLY two items ever recovered from the hyjacking. If you or others think the placard find location is meaningless, so be it.
I happen to think it’s relevant to at least giving a clue as to where the aircraft was flying SHORTLY before Cooper bailed. Many people have combed over Tina Bar site ad Nauseum but to my knowledge very few have ever been to the placard location. I find it interesting and the area is awesome !
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1934 on: April 25, 2019, 03:14:31 PM »
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First off this guy was actually a hunting buddy who was there when the placard was found. As I recall they were picking up litter and had simply put the placard in their pocket and had no reason to mark the exact spot where it was found. His memory could actually be far better then Carroll Hicks. I had a hunting partner who had a terrible sense of direction and never had any idea where he was. The placard find location is one of ONLY two items ever recovered from the hyjacking. If you or others think the placard find location is meaningless, so be it.
I happen to think it’s relevant to at least giving a clue as to where the aircraft was flying SHORTLY before Cooper bailed. Many people have combed over Tina Bar site ad Nauseum but to my knowledge very few have ever been to the placard location. I find it interesting and the area is awesome !

I agree that the placard is very important. Furthermore, it has been largely overlooked as a valid piece of evidence that could clarify a flight path. I believe the reason it has been ignored for all of these years is because the Tena Bar money find was shortly thereafter and that immediately took over the spotlight.

Shutter, I have obtained the necessary info from Weyerhaeuser to gain access to the placard find spot. My primary objective will be to get a feel for the lay of the land, take pictures and perhaps leave a piece of a similar item behind to study any migration patterns that may occur over the course of the year.
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