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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #195 on: October 08, 2021, 09:11:44 AM »
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I am sure someone has answered this question somewhere in here?  But would Cooper not have anything to worry about now if he were alive due to the statute of limitations?  After all, he did not murder anyone.?  Anyone know?

The statute of limitations was addressed in this case just before the 5 year period expired (circa 1976) by using the Hobbs Act, which is a federal statute that basically nullifies the statute of limitations when extortion is involved.  Having said that, prevailing consensus on the board is that if he were alive, the chances of him going to jail are slim to none.
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #196 on: October 10, 2021, 07:33:34 AM »
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I am sure someone has answered this question somewhere in here?  But would Cooper not have anything to worry about now if he were alive due to the statute of limitations?  After all, he did not murder anyone.?  Anyone know?

The statute of limitations was addressed in this case just before the 5 year period expired (circa 1976) by using the Hobbs Act, which is a federal statute that basically nullifies the statute of limitations when extortion is involved.  Having said that, prevailing consensus on the board is that if he were alive, the chances of him going to jail are slim to none.
   Thanks.  i tend to agree.  I always said in the Escape from Alcatraz case they should have publicly declared immunity if they were to come forward.  The arrogant FBI would not. The letter that was supposedly sent from one of the Anglin Bros about 8-10 years ago I believe they believed could have been legit.  Of course that would mean that THEY MADE IT.   The FBI looks at that as their worst nightmare. They would rather believe that they drowned and that Cooper perished in the jump though evidence and common sense does not support that in either case.
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #197 on: October 10, 2021, 10:44:19 AM »
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I am sure someone has answered this question somewhere in here?  But would Cooper not have anything to worry about now if he were alive due to the statute of limitations?  After all, he did not murder anyone.?  Anyone know?

The statute of limitations was addressed in this case just before the 5 year period expired (circa 1976) by using the Hobbs Act, which is a federal statute that basically nullifies the statute of limitations when extortion is involved.  Having said that, prevailing consensus on the board is that if he were alive, the chances of him going to jail are slim to none.
   Thanks.  i tend to agree.  I always said in the Escape from Alcatraz case they should have publicly declared immunity if they were to come forward.  The arrogant FBI would not. The letter that was supposedly sent from one of the Anglin Bros about 8-10 years ago I believe they believed could have been legit.  Of course that would mean that THEY MADE IT.   The FBI looks at that as their worst nightmare. They would rather believe that they drowned and that Cooper perished in the jump though evidence and common sense does not support that in either case.

The Alcatraz escape is another really cool mystery to explore.  Yeah, you know, I almost can't blame the FBI with what they state publicly in these cases where they appear to get beat at a particular moment in time.  What they state publicly in terms of Coop or the Anglin/Morris trio dying is not necessarily what they believe internally.  Part of me thinks that the FBI stating that Cooper died may have been more of them trying to get Cooper to communicate and rebuff them, thus possibly causing an unforced error and leading to his capture.  They certainly didn't act like they were very confident that he was dead based on all of the 302s showing them go after 1000s of leads....
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #198 on: October 11, 2021, 05:10:26 AM »
The feds in the mid 1970s and mid-1980s clearly believed DBC survived since they actively considered schemes to get him to confess, offer him immunity deals, etc.
 
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #199 on: October 11, 2021, 11:33:35 AM »
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The feds in the mid 1970s and mid-1980s clearly believed DBC survived since they actively considered schemes to get him to confess, offer him immunity deals, etc.

I agree with that assessment. 100%.
 
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #200 on: October 12, 2021, 03:36:56 AM »
Finally, G. It only took us 13 years to find something to agree on.. smile....
 
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #201 on: October 13, 2021, 01:19:05 PM »
CooperCon 2021 Schedule:

Saturday, November 20th
>10:00a-10:10a | Intro with Darren Schaefer
>10:10a-11:00a | Overview of the Skyjacking (Bruce Smith, Eric Ulis)
>11:10a-12:00p | Diatom Presentation with Tom Kaye
>12:10p-1:00p | Did DB Cooper Survive? (Martin Andrade, Mark Meltzer, Mary Jean Fryar)
>1:10p-2:00p | Tie Particles Discussion (Tom Kaye, Nicholas Broughton)
>2:10p-3:10p | Suspects Panel (Vern Jones, Nicholas Broughton, Ron Forman, Martin Andrade, Mark Meltzer, Marla Wynn Cooper)
>3:20p-4:00p | Catherine Scott Conversation (Eric Ulis)

Sunday, November 21st
>10:00a-10:10a | Day 2 Opening with Darren Schaefer
10:10a-11:00a | Other PNW Legends: Bigfoot, Flying Saucers, and Cow Mutilations (Brett Eichenberger, Bruce Smith)
11:10a-12:00p | Conspiracy Theories Panel (Bruce Smith, Nicholas Broughton, Marla Wynn Cooper, Mary Jean Fryar)
12:10p-1:00p | Flight Path Panel (Eric Ulis, Martin Andrade, Cliff Ammerman)
1:10p-2:00p | Brian Ingram Conversation (Tom Kaye)
2:10p-3:00p | Tena Bar & The Money Find (Eric Ulis, Tom Kaye, Mark Meltzer)
3:10p-4:00p | DB Cooper on TV (Eric Ulis, Bruce Smith, Marla Wynn Cooper, Tom Kaye)

In addition to the above schedule, there will be socials starting at 6pm on: Friday, November 19th at Von Ebert’s Brew Pub in NE Portland; Saturday, November 20th at Victor23 Craft Brewery in Vancouver; Sunday, November 21st at Von Ebert’s Brew Pub in NE Portland.
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #202 on: October 13, 2021, 04:38:11 PM »
Looks like an awesome event. Wish I could be there, but I'm a loser.
 
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #203 on: October 14, 2021, 09:21:07 AM »
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The feds in the mid 1970s and mid-1980s clearly believed DBC survived since they actively considered schemes to get him to confess, offer him immunity deals, etc.

Bruce: Very good point. I think this is overlooked.  The FBI clearly wanted the public to believe he died.  Everything they said made it look like that, and even to this day Larry Carr is saying he died.  But why have a worldwide manhunt for so many years?  That seems like a good amount of government waste that at some point would have raised a red flag.  If you're convinced he died, why not use all the government resources to comb the area of the flight path?  Go after missing persons? Go after unclaimed bodies? Do an analysis on the money and truly try to find out if it got spent?  If the FBI had made an effort to collect only the San Francisco series bills, they could have used probability to determine if the money was likely spent.  My feeling is they highly suspected that he lived.  It looks bad for the FBI that this is unsolved, and it might look worse if a regular citizen solved it and they didn't.
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #204 on: October 15, 2021, 04:49:25 AM »
Chaucer wrote: “ Looks like an awesome event. Wish I could be there, but I'm a loser.”

Loser is a relative term. There are no losers at Cooper Con. Everyone at CooperCon is a loser. Both statements are true. Something about particle duality. Or simply the muddling effects of beer.

These CooperCons really are enjoyable events. The after hours socializing at local brew pubs has been especially fun. We’ve had a few strangers approach the group at these venues with their own stories about finding parachutes etc. None seemed worthy of further investigation but you never know what will happen next time.

I really enjoyed sharing a few brews with Catherine Scott’s boyfriend, a very savvy senior airline pilot with lots of 727 time. He’s not just an airplane driver. He restores antique planes and has a deep understanding of systems, flight dynamics etc.

The Vortex Mayor, Bruce Smith, keeps things lively. 

As John Lennon said: “I’m a loser, but I’m not what I appear to be.”

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #205 on: October 15, 2021, 09:48:55 AM »
Also, the Army Data Analyst, “Anonymous,” will be taking part in the Suspects Panel discussion at CooperCon. Therefore, after CC21, he’ll no longer be anonymous.
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #206 on: October 15, 2021, 06:44:19 PM »
Don't think I'm familiar with Mary Jean Fryar. Can someone give me a brief?
 

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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #207 on: October 15, 2021, 09:39:52 PM »
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #208 on: October 15, 2021, 10:14:39 PM »
Well that is in fact brief, but it doesn't tell me anything about her Cooper connection, haha.
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Re: CooperCon 2021
« Reply #209 on: October 15, 2021, 11:20:05 PM »
In 2003 or so, as FBI agent, Mary Jean and her female partner, who was described as a "tall drink of water" in a Bruce Smith interview/article, swab Ed Sheridan for DNA and interviewed him at his apartment. It was the subject of Sheridan's 2007 Smokejumper article.