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Title: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 02, 2021, 09:41:19 PM
Welcome....sound right? looks funny now
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 02, 2021, 09:55:59 PM
The header is perfect! Thanks.

I'll post a more comprehensive CC21 update tomorrow.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 03, 2021, 09:24:56 AM
CooperCon 2021 UPDATE:

Location: Kiggins Theatre, Vancouver, WA

Dates: Friday, November 19, 2021 - Sunday, November 21, 2021

Schedule (Overview):

>>> Friday, November 19th, Evening Social at Portland, OR location yet to be determined.
>>> Saturday, November 20th, Conference from 10a - 4p at Kiggins. Evening Social at Vancouver, WA location yet to be determined.
>>> Sunday, November 21st, Conference from 10a - 4p at Kiggins. Evening Social at location yet to be determined.

Confirmed Guests and Speakers as of today:

Brian Ingram
Catherine Scott (Capt. Scott's daughter)
Mary Jean Fryar (former FBI)
Tom Kaye
Bruce Smith
Mark Meltzer (377)
Vern Jones
Eric Ulis
Darren Schaefer (Master of Ceremonies)

-My plan is to reach out to several other people who have a connection to the case. I'll post updates as required.
-Also, I'll be creating a website for CC21 which will be LIVE soon.
-Additionally I'm planning on a conference that has plenty of panel discussions about several topics while actively engaging the attendees.
-There will be some giveaways and fun activities too.
-I'm also working to have tables set-up featuring items from local businesses.
-Finally, I will have T-shirts available with the CC21 logo (below).

Feel free to post ideas or thoughts.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Kermit on March 03, 2021, 02:17:44 PM
Just my 2 cents worth here ,
How many people actually lived in the area and were familiar with the circumstances will be speaking at CC 21 ?
A few I’m aware of but we need more and there has to be 100’s ! I was 30 years old and am now 80. Any real witnesses are fast disappearing!
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 03, 2021, 02:25:34 PM
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Just my 2 cents worth here ,
How many people actually lived in the area and were familiar with the circumstances will be speaking at CC 21 ?
A few I’m aware of but we need more and there has to be 100’s ! I was 30 years old and am now 80. Any real witnesses are fast disappearing!

Kermit, I would like to enlist your help with the DB Cooper Photobomb Initiative.

Specifically, I'm looking for old photos taken in or outside of PDX on November 24, 1971. There had to be dozens of family photos and the like as people greeted arriving family and friends for Thanksgiving or saw others off. I intend to analyze each of these pictures carefully and look for Cooper or signs of Cooper in the background.

Please reach out to anyone you know who may have a stray photo or two hanging around in an old photo album or slide projector reel. I can be reached via email.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 04, 2021, 08:07:34 AM
I'm please to announce that Marty Andrade will be at CC21.

I'm stoked to hear him discuss his work particularly related to the survivability of the jump. Would also be cool to hear about his Gunther analysis.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Kermit on March 04, 2021, 12:14:18 PM
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Just my 2 cents worth here ,
How many people actually lived in the area and were familiar with the circumstances will be speaking at CC 21 ?
A few I’m aware of but we need more and there has to be 100’s ! I was 30 years old and am now 80. Any real witnesses are fast disappearing!

Kermit, I would like to enlist your help with the DB Cooper Photobomb Initiative.

Specifically, I'm looking for old photos taken in or outside of PDX on November 24, 1971. There had to be dozens of family photos and the like as people greeted arriving family and friends for Thanksgiving or saw others off. I intend to analyze each of these pictures carefully and look for Cooper or signs of Cooper in the background.

Please reach out to anyone you know who may have a stray photo or two hanging around in an old photo album or slide projector reel. I can be reached via email.

Eric,
Although I have nothing but support for any new ideas, most people would consider your photobomb initiative as a real long shot ! We live nowadays in a society where almost everyone has a smart phone and since the photos cost nothing really, everyone is snapping away ! This event was such a huge happening in Portland in 1971 that I’d think that anyone who did take photos at PDX on Nov 24 would have gone through their photos looking for a Cooper lookalike ! However miracles are always possible so I think enlisting some help from local newspapers might produce something. I actually think producing any photos relating to Portland as it existed in 1971 would be of interest.
I’m sure many of our forum posters have little idea of how different things were back in 1971. That’s why I’d like to see more of the locals that were actually living in The area to get involved in CC21!
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 04, 2021, 12:23:42 PM
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Just my 2 cents worth here ,
How many people actually lived in the area and were familiar with the circumstances will be speaking at CC 21 ?
A few I’m aware of but we need more and there has to be 100’s ! I was 30 years old and am now 80. Any real witnesses are fast disappearing!

Kermit, I would like to enlist your help with the DB Cooper Photobomb Initiative.

Specifically, I'm looking for old photos taken in or outside of PDX on November 24, 1971. There had to be dozens of family photos and the like as people greeted arriving family and friends for Thanksgiving or saw others off. I intend to analyze each of these pictures carefully and look for Cooper or signs of Cooper in the background.

Please reach out to anyone you know who may have a stray photo or two hanging around in an old photo album or slide projector reel. I can be reached via email.

Eric,
Although I have nothing but support for any new ideas, most people would consider your photobomb initiative as a real long shot ! We live nowadays in a society where almost everyone has a smart phone and since the photos cost nothing really, everyone is snapping away ! This event was such a huge happening in Portland in 1971 that I’d think that anyone who did take photos at PDX on Nov 24 would have gone through their photos looking for a Cooper lookalike ! However miracles are always possible so I think enlisting some help from local newspapers might produce something. I actually think producing any photos relating to Portland as it existed in 1971 would be of interest.
I’m sure many of our forum posters have little idea of how different things were back in 1971. That’s why I’d like to see more of the locals that were actually living in The area to get involved in CC21!

There will be a significant amount of promotion and publicity leading up to CC21. Locals will have ample opportunity to show up if interested.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 04, 2021, 12:26:51 PM
Perhaps in the articles you could toss in the "where were you Nov. 24, 1971" to try and capture moments in time and see where people actually were that evening. driving down I-5, dropping someone off at PDX etc.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 04, 2021, 12:29:57 PM
The downfall of course would be the gap in time and locals no longer being locals that now live all over the country by now..
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Chaucer on March 04, 2021, 01:32:20 PM
It seems everyone who lived in the PNW at that time has a Cooper tale of some kind. Would be cool to have something set up for people to share their Cooper stories. Might actually discover a witness or new info that we’ve never heard from before.

Most of those stories are tall tales, but worth a shot.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Kermit on March 04, 2021, 01:48:28 PM
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Just my 2 cents worth here ,
How many people actually lived in the area and were familiar with the circumstances will be speaking at CC 21 ?
A few I’m aware of but we need more and there has to be 100’s ! I was 30 years old and am now 80. Any real witnesses are fast disappearing!

Kermit, I would like to enlist your help with the DB Cooper Photobomb Initiative.

Specifically, I'm looking for old photos taken in or outside of PDX on November 24, 1971. There had to be dozens of family photos and the like as people greeted arriving family and friends for Thanksgiving or saw others off. I intend to analyze each of these pictures carefully and look for Cooper or signs of Cooper in the background.

Please reach out to anyone you know who may have a stray photo or two hanging around in an old photo album or slide projector reel. I can be reached via email.

Eric,
Although I have nothing but support for any new ideas, most people would consider your photobomb initiative as a real long shot ! We live nowadays in a society where almost everyone has a smart phone and since the photos cost nothing really, everyone is snapping away ! This event was such a huge happening in Portland in 1971 that I’d think that anyone who did take photos at PDX on Nov 24 would have gone through their photos looking for a Cooper lookalike ! However miracles are always possible so I think enlisting some help from local newspapers might produce something. I actually think producing any photos relating to Portland as it existed in 1971 would be of interest.
I’m sure many of our forum posters have little idea of how different things were back in 1971. That’s why I’d like to see more of the locals that were actually living in The area to get involved in CC21!

There will be a significant amount of promotion and publicity leading up to CC21. Locals will have ample opportunity to show up if interested.

Perhaps my main point is still lost somewhere ? Very few posters on this forum actually have first hand knowledge of exactly what existed in Portland area in 1971 ! All the commercial businesses located presently weren’t even on the drawing boards near the Airbase ! The 205 bridge wasn’t built yet in 1971 ! Cooper had a lot easier path getting around without being observed in 1971.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 04, 2021, 09:30:23 PM
Just received word that Brett Eichenberger will be a part of CC21. Brett heads up a production company and is a movie director from Portland. His current project is a badass Bigfoot documentary--I have viewed the trailer and it is a first class doc.

I have always had in mind expanding CooperCon beyond DB Cooper. DB is obviously the star of the show and the backbone of the event, but I want to develop CooperCons into festivals that celebrate the Pacific Northwest at large. So Brett will serve as our first foray into this new territory.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robertrand on March 07, 2021, 05:22:32 AM
Looking forward to this!
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 07, 2021, 09:10:41 AM
I know there was a question on another thread about selling tickets to CooperCon 2021.

There will be a ticket price attached to the two-day conference portion of CooperCon--not the social events each evening starting on Friday, November 19th. I believe it will be $20 for both days total. In other words, $20 gets you a ticket good for both days.

The tickets will be available online through Kiggins' website, I believe starting this week. Also, I'll be launching a website this week which will direct people to the Kiggins' ticket portal.

Tickets will also be available at the door as was the case in 2018, but I wouldn't recommend it. After all, I expect a full house this year given the significance of the 50-year anniversary and that there will be a significant amount of media attention focused on the event--I believe even from the UK and Australia.

This year's event is only the beginning. My plan is to grow this into an annual week-long festival every November that celebrates the legends of the Pacific Northwest including Big Foot and purported "Flying Saucer" activity in the region. That said, DBC will serve as the primary thrust of CooperCon going forward and is intended to provide an experience that is festive, fun and informative.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 07, 2021, 03:12:29 PM
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I know there was a question on another thread about selling tickets to CooperCon 2021.

There will be a ticket price attached to the two-day conference portion of CooperCon--not the social events each evening starting on Friday, November 19th. I believe it will be $20 for both days total. In other words, $20 gets you a ticket good for both days.

The tickets will be available online through Kiggins' website, I believe starting this week. Also, I'll be launching a website this week which will direct people to the Kiggins' ticket portal.

Tickets will also be available at the door as was the case in 2018, but I wouldn't recommend it. After all, I expect a full house this year given the significance of the 50-year anniversary and that there will be a significant amount of media attention focused on the event--I believe even from the UK and Australia.

This year's event is only the beginning. My plan is to grow this into an annual week-long festival every November that celebrates the legends of the Pacific Northwest including Big Foot and purported "Flying Saucer" activity in the region. That said, DBC will serve as the primary thrust of CooperCon going forward and is intended to provide an experience that is festive, fun and informative.

Fer gawds sake EU, don't bring the big foot and flying saucer nutcases into the Cooper investigation!  Leave them in their own world.  Big foot and flying saucers have been thoroughly investigated and proven false.  This is not to say that there are some animals and fish that have never been identified or that all flying objects have been explained to the general public.  But just leave the nutcases in their own world.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 07, 2021, 04:17:31 PM
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I know there was a question on another thread about selling tickets to CooperCon 2021.

There will be a ticket price attached to the two-day conference portion of CooperCon--not the social events each evening starting on Friday, November 19th. I believe it will be $20 for both days total. In other words, $20 gets you a ticket good for both days.

The tickets will be available online through Kiggins' website, I believe starting this week. Also, I'll be launching a website this week which will direct people to the Kiggins' ticket portal.

Tickets will also be available at the door as was the case in 2018, but I wouldn't recommend it. After all, I expect a full house this year given the significance of the 50-year anniversary and that there will be a significant amount of media attention focused on the event--I believe even from the UK and Australia.

This year's event is only the beginning. My plan is to grow this into an annual week-long festival every November that celebrates the legends of the Pacific Northwest including Big Foot and purported "Flying Saucer" activity in the region. That said, DBC will serve as the primary thrust of CooperCon going forward and is intended to provide an experience that is festive, fun and informative.

Fer gawds sake EU, don't bring the big foot and flying saucer nutcases into the Cooper investigation!  Leave them in their own world.  Big foot and flying saucers have been thoroughly investigated and proven false.  This is not to say that there are some animals and fish that have never been identified or that all flying objects have been explained to the general public.  But just leave the nutcases in their own world.

I think it adds value to the entire weekend having a panel discussion with experts on these Pacific Northwest legends too. I'm creating a festival with DB Cooper serving as the primary draw. But incorporating other PNW things--for example, featuring tables with local craft beers, wines, coffees, foods, etc., I think makes for an all around fun time. It's part of the reason the DB Cooper escape room experience will play a part too.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 07, 2021, 04:32:05 PM
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I know there was a question on another thread about selling tickets to CooperCon 2021.

There will be a ticket price attached to the two-day conference portion of CooperCon--not the social events each evening starting on Friday, November 19th. I believe it will be $20 for both days total. In other words, $20 gets you a ticket good for both days.

The tickets will be available online through Kiggins' website, I believe starting this week. Also, I'll be launching a website this week which will direct people to the Kiggins' ticket portal.

Tickets will also be available at the door as was the case in 2018, but I wouldn't recommend it. After all, I expect a full house this year given the significance of the 50-year anniversary and that there will be a significant amount of media attention focused on the event--I believe even from the UK and Australia.

This year's event is only the beginning. My plan is to grow this into an annual week-long festival every November that celebrates the legends of the Pacific Northwest including Big Foot and purported "Flying Saucer" activity in the region. That said, DBC will serve as the primary thrust of CooperCon going forward and is intended to provide an experience that is festive, fun and informative.

Fer gawds sake EU, don't bring the big foot and flying saucer nutcases into the Cooper investigation!  Leave them in their own world.  Big foot and flying saucers have been thoroughly investigated and proven false.  This is not to say that there are some animals and fish that have never been identified or that all flying objects have been explained to the general public.  But just leave the nutcases in their own world.

I think it adds value to the entire weekend having a panel discussion with experts on these Pacific Northwest legends too. I'm creating a festival with DB Cooper serving as the primary draw. But incorporating other PNW things--for example, featuring tables with local craft beers, wines, coffees, foods, etc., I think makes for an all around fun time. It's part of the reason the DB Cooper escape room experience will play a part too.

The "other PNW things" are great.  But there are better and more ethical ways to earn a buck than propagating the big foot and flying saucer nonsense.

And as I have posted previously, if you really want to know what the (in)famous "Phoneix Lights" were, all you have to do is call AeroVironment in Simi Valley, California and tell them it is time to confess.  Their number is in the book.  If they haggle, tell them that Bruce Smith has talked to their founder, the late Dr. Paul McCready, in a seance and he (PM) directed you (EU) to make the call.  And the statute of limitations has probably already expired in any event.  Just make the call.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 07, 2021, 04:41:16 PM
A Cryptozoologist is linked the the famous Youtube video's surrounding the letters and briefcase. a lot of the researchers in both Bigfoot and UFO's are far from "crackpots" . personally, I don't believe in Bigfoot but I can't say that with the evidence shown about UFO'S. especially commercial airline pilots and military pilots siting's and radar contacts.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on March 07, 2021, 06:41:35 PM
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Fer gawds sake EU, don't bring the big foot and flying saucer nutcases into the Cooper investigation!  Leave them in their own world....


Too late, Robert. We're already here. In fact, we've been here for some time. For details, come to the Mountain News. I'll be posting my most recent insights shortly on my alien abduction experiences.

Ta da....
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: georger on March 07, 2021, 11:30:48 PM
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Fer gawds sake EU, don't bring the big foot and flying saucer nutcases into the Cooper investigation!  Leave them in their own world....


Too late, Robert. We're already here. In fact, we've been here for some time. For details, come to the Mountain News. I'll be posting my most recent insights shortly on my alien abduction experiences.

Ta da....

Probably the result of a marketing study!  ;)  As EU says: 'this is economics 101'.   
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 08, 2021, 10:58:45 AM
Just had a lengthy conversation with Marla Wynn Cooper and can confirm that she will be attending and on stage at CC21.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 08, 2021, 12:59:47 PM
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Just had a lengthy conversation with Marla Wynn Cooper and can confirm that she will be attending and on stage at CC21.

This is getting worse by the minute.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: georger on March 08, 2021, 03:30:38 PM
They can do anything they want at THEIR Coopercon21 - even Bigfoot, dancing bears and Marla, marijuana law discussion/debate, snow shoe demonstration, and more dancing bears and Marla, Area 51 presentation ... ! Followed by a fancy Campaign Donor Party -  $100k per ticket ?  EU already announced he is going to turn Coopercons into a NW Festival .... so they can market their Festival any way they want. Maybe a TV Production on the History channel is already planned ? But it's a marketing affair in any event - EU made that very clear.   

 :rofl:
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: dudeman17 on March 08, 2021, 04:44:05 PM
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They can do anything they want at THEIR Coopercon21 - even... dancing bears... and more dancing bears...

Jerry died back in the 90's.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Darren on March 08, 2021, 11:37:54 PM
I’m stoked! And you can count on The Cooper Vortex to help spread the word!
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 08, 2021, 11:45:30 PM
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I’m stoked! And you can count on The Cooper Vortex to help spread the word!

It's going to be a lot of fun. I really enjoy talking with all the different people with questions and theories. Who knows, perhaps DB Cooper himself will show up.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: dudeman17 on March 09, 2021, 05:46:38 PM
(Sorry about the joke above, couldn't resist. Hopefully someone got a chuckle out of it.)

On a more serious note...

CooperCon sounds like an interesting affair. I wish I could attend. I would especially be interested in Mark Meltzer (377)'s and Marty Andrade's presentations. Hopefully you will video all the presentations/discussions and make them available at some point.

On reading of Andrade's presentation regarding the survivability of Cooper's jump, I reviewed that section of his book. I found it interesting and appropriate his comparison to WWII bailout statistics. Not sure if this is the appropriate place, but I would like to offer him a bit of info to consider:

You mention that Cooper jumped 'without a working reserve'. True, he did not have a 'second-chance' parachute, but it should be noted that the bailout rig he used IS a reserve. I believe the malfunction rate you cited was for sport main parachutes. Often, sport mains have design features meant for higher flight performance that introduce malfunction possibilities. Para-Commander type canopies, popular in those days, are a prime example of this. They are also packed by the user, 'in the field', often several times a day. The design and construction of Cooper's reserve-type parachute, plus the fact that it is inspected and packed by a licensed FAA rigger under the controlled environment of a rigging loft, would give it a malfunction rate much lower than that of a sport main.

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Eric, did you and your daughter make your jumps yet?
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: andrade1812 on March 09, 2021, 06:02:14 PM
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(Sorry about the joke above, couldn't resist. Hopefully someone got a chuckle out of it.)

On a more serious note...

CooperCon sounds like an interesting affair. I wish I could attend. I would especially be interested in Mark Meltzer (377)'s and Marty Andrade's presentations. Hopefully you will video all the presentations/discussions and make them available at some point.

On reading of Andrade's presentation regarding the survivability of Cooper's jump, I reviewed that section of his book. I found it interesting and appropriate his comparison to WWII bailout statistics. Not sure if this is the appropriate place, but I would like to offer him a bit of info to consider:

You mention that Cooper jumped 'without a working reserve'. True, he did not have a 'second-chance' parachute, but it should be noted that the bailout rig he used IS a reserve. I believe the malfunction rate you cited was for sport main parachutes. Often, sport mains have design features meant for higher flight performance that introduce malfunction possibilities. Para-Commander type canopies, popular in those days, are a prime example of this. They are also packed by the user, 'in the field', often several times a day. The design and construction of Cooper's reserve-type parachute, plus the fact that it is inspected and packed by a licensed FAA rigger under the controlled environment of a rigging loft, would give it a malfunction rate much lower than that of a sport main.


377 sent me a lot of information a few years ago regarding these issues. Without digging into my files, I believe the mal rate he gave me was 5% for WWII canopies (which he believed showed some degree of user error as RAF numbers were higher than that. US mal rates were around 5%). I can't remember if that was for conicals or rounds. I'd definitely be interested in references to mal rates for emergency reserve parachutes. I have to revisit all this data and write a presentation, so if anyone has pertinent information I would be grateful.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 09, 2021, 06:10:28 PM
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Eric, did you and your daughter make your jumps yet?

Yes we did jump on February 1st--my 55th birthday. We jumped from 13K feet. It was totally badass. I wasn't nervous at all. That said, the "swallow hard" moment was when they opened the door at 13K and suddenly you could hear and feel the rush of the cold air. It was at this moment when I thought, "Shit just got real."

The free fall was the best part--I could literally feel the temperature rising as we fell.

My daughter, who is 20, was a champ. No misgivings, just jumped. In fact, we're both going to jump on her birthday this July when we're in New England.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on March 09, 2021, 07:56:48 PM
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(Sorry about the joke above, couldn't resist. Hopefully someone got a chuckle out of it.)


... um, Mr. Dude, I didn't get the joke. Please explain. T'anx.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 10, 2021, 11:19:06 AM
Should airline pilots be concerned about UFO's....interesting article. must be one of them there new smart flares...

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https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/articles/news/should-airline-pilots-be-concerned-about-ufos.html
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 10, 2021, 03:11:49 PM
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Should airline pilots be concerned about UFO's....interesting article. must be one of them there new smart flares...

..
https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/articles/news/should-airline-pilots-be-concerned-about-ufos.html

Don't get your hopes up about little green men from Mars flying UFOs in the Earth's atmosphere.  Little green men from Mars don't exist in the first place.  And there is no such thing as flying saucers either.

Bill Nye's explanation is the correct one.  Remember that Nye was an aeronautical engineer working for Boeing in his earlier life. 

Aircraft flying above 60,000 feet are all VFR and do not have to report to any air traffic control facility.  Such high flying aircraft will not be squawking anything that the air traffic control people can decipher.  However, they will be in constant contact with "home base", whatever and wherever that may be.  They will be using enciphered data links, satellites, etc., etc..

Douglass is a long time observer of what goes on visually and electronically in the skies of western Texas.  His photographs have frequently appeared in Aviation Week and revealed new designs including, a couple of years ago, what may be the new B-21 flying wing.

Aviation Week has also published pictures in the last few years of the unique contrails of an aircraft that is referred to as the "Pulser".  But the people who took those pictures did not see or hear the actual aircraft.  The term "pulse" refers to a pulse detonation engine.  Lockheed has publicly stated that they were working on such an engine that could be used from takeoff to the hypersonic flight regime.  If such an engine is successfully developed, and the project appears to be ongoing, then that would be a giant jump in high speed engine technology.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: georger on March 10, 2021, 03:40:07 PM
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Should airline pilots be concerned about UFO's....interesting article. must be one of them there new smart flares...

..
https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/articles/news/should-airline-pilots-be-concerned-about-ufos.html

Don't get your hopes up about little green men from Mars flying UFOs in the Earth's atmosphere.  Little green men from Mars don't exist in the first place.  And there is no such thing as flying saucers either.

Bill Nye's explanation is the correct one.  Remember that Nye was an aeronautical engineer working for Boeing in his earlier life. 

Aircraft flying above 60,000 feet are all VFR and do not have to report to any air traffic control facility.  Such high flying aircraft will not be squawking anything that the air traffic control people can decipher.  However, they will be in constant contact with "home base", whatever and wherever that may be.  They will be using enciphered data links, satellites, etc., etc..

Douglass is a long time observer of what goes on visually and electronically in the skies of western Texas.  His photographs have frequently appeared in Aviation Week and revealed new designs including, a couple of years ago, what may be the new B-21 flying wing.

Aviation Week has also published pictures in the last few years of the unique contrails of an aircraft that is referred to as the "Pulser".  But the people who took those pictures did not see or hear the actual aircraft.  The term "pulse" refers to a pulse detonation engine.  Lockheed has publicly stated that they were working on such an engine that could be used from takeoff to the hypersonic flight regime.  If such an engine is successfully developed, and the project appears to be ongoing, then that would be a giant jump in high speed engine technology.

Ah yes. The technology that the Angels use.  Hard to know since we are inferior beings. Angelology: https://bible.org/article/angelology-doctrine-angels   

Cooper may have know how angels fly. Cooper may have been an Angel - he vanished in thin air didn't he! 
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 10, 2021, 03:53:35 PM
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Should airline pilots be concerned about UFO's....interesting article. must be one of them there new smart flares...

..
https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/articles/news/should-airline-pilots-be-concerned-about-ufos.html

Don't get your hopes up about little green men from Mars flying UFOs in the Earth's atmosphere.  Little green men from Mars don't exist in the first place.  And there is no such thing as flying saucers either.

Bill Nye's explanation is the correct one.  Remember that Nye was an aeronautical engineer working for Boeing in his earlier life. 

Aircraft flying above 60,000 feet are all VFR and do not have to report to any air traffic control facility.  Such high flying aircraft will not be squawking anything that the air traffic control people can decipher.  However, they will be in constant contact with "home base", whatever and wherever that may be.  They will be using enciphered data links, satellites, etc., etc..

Douglass is a long time observer of what goes on visually and electronically in the skies of western Texas.  His photographs have frequently appeared in Aviation Week and revealed new designs including, a couple of years ago, what may be the new B-21 flying wing.

Aviation Week has also published pictures in the last few years of the unique contrails of an aircraft that is referred to as the "Pulser".  But the people who took those pictures did not see or hear the actual aircraft.  The term "pulse" refers to a pulse detonation engine.  Lockheed has publicly stated that they were working on such an engine that could be used from takeoff to the hypersonic flight regime.  If such an engine is successfully developed, and the project appears to be ongoing, then that would be a giant jump in high speed engine technology.

Ah yes. The technology that the Angels use.  Hard to know since we are inferior beings. Angelology: https://bible.org/article/angelology-doctrine-angels   

Cooper may have know how angels fly. Cooper may have been an Angel - he vanished in thin air didn't he!

None of the three colleges that I have degrees from, or the other 8 or 10 that I have taken courses at, offered a course on the aerodynamics of angels.  However, I have taken enough courses that included lectures on gravity that I sincerely doubt if Cooper disappeared "in thin air".  I'll bet that gravity returned him to sea level where the air is about as thick as it gets.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Chaucer on March 10, 2021, 04:33:00 PM
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None of the three colleges that I have degrees from, or the other 8 or 10 that I have taken courses at
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Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 10, 2021, 04:56:27 PM
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None of the three colleges that I have degrees from, or the other 8 or 10 that I have taken courses at
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Chaucer, is that a photograph of you? :)
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 10, 2021, 05:01:47 PM
Do not pollute this thread with soft bear porn.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Chaucer on March 10, 2021, 05:16:16 PM
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None of the three colleges that I have degrees from, or the other 8 or 10 that I have taken courses at
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Chaucer, is that a photograph of you? :)
Metaphorically? Yes.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: dudeman17 on March 10, 2021, 05:20:08 PM
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(Sorry about the joke above, couldn't resist. Hopefully someone got a chuckle out of it.)


... um, Mr. Dude, I didn't get the joke. Please explain. T'anx.

Dancing bears, Jerry, Jerry Garcia, the Grateful Dead dancing bears...

C'mon, Bruce, I believe you're from that era and you're somewhat mystical, I figured you'd get that joke if anyone would. Oh, well, my apologies to everyone.

As for Chaucer's post, I don't think that's the bear anyone had in mind.

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Eric, did you and your daughter make your jumps yet?

Yes we did jump on February 1st--my 55th birthday. We jumped from 13K feet. It was totally badass. I wasn't nervous at all. That said, the "swallow hard" moment was when they opened the door at 13K and suddenly you could hear and feel the rush of the cold air. It was at this moment when I thought, "Shit just got real."

The free fall was the best part--I could literally feel the temperature rising as we fell.

My daughter, who is 20, was a champ. No misgivings, just jumped. In fact, we're both going to jump on her birthday this July when we're in New England.

Cool, I'm glad you guys had fun. By all means, post the videos!

As one of my early mentors used to say, "If you ain't scared, you don't fully understand the situation." Ha!
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 10, 2021, 05:29:12 PM
She had her jump filmed. I did not film my jump.

That said, we jumped at the same time so I'm in part of her video before we jump and then in the background under a blue canopy. The video is viewable at the following link:

https://revlx.cloud/render/e9fce25a-ee77-4edf-b351-91dac466efeb/share-page
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Chaucer on March 10, 2021, 05:33:46 PM
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She had her jump filmed. I did not film my jump.

That said, we jumped at the same time so I'm in part of her video before we jump and then in the background under a blue canopy. The video is viewable at the following link:

https://revlx.cloud/render/e9fce25a-ee77-4edf-b351-91dac466efeb/share-page
You should plan a jump in November at CooperCon.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 10, 2021, 05:37:52 PM
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She had her jump filmed. I did not film my jump.

That said, we jumped at the same time so I'm in part of her video before we jump and then in the background under a blue canopy. The video is viewable at the following link:

https://revlx.cloud/render/e9fce25a-ee77-4edf-b351-91dac466efeb/share-page
You should plan a jump in November at CooperCon.

That's actually a pretty cool idea. I'm sure 377 would jump too.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Chaucer on March 10, 2021, 06:47:26 PM
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She had her jump filmed. I did not film my jump.

That said, we jumped at the same time so I'm in part of her video before we jump and then in the background under a blue canopy. The video is viewable at the following link:

https://revlx.cloud/render/e9fce25a-ee77-4edf-b351-91dac466efeb/share-page
You should plan a jump in November at CooperCon.

That's actually a pretty cool idea. I'm sure 377 would jump too.
You have to do it at night wearing only a business suit and loafers with $200,000 tied to your torso though or it doesn’t count.  :rofl:
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 10, 2021, 10:41:53 PM
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She had her jump filmed. I did not film my jump.

That said, we jumped at the same time so I'm in part of her video before we jump and then in the background under a blue canopy. The video is viewable at the following link:

https://revlx.cloud/render/e9fce25a-ee77-4edf-b351-91dac466efeb/share-page

Where is Skydive Phoenix located?  Is it near Maricopa?  I have spent several hundred hours flying in the Maricopa area and some of the mountains looked familiar, but I don't recognize the airport that Skydive Phoenix was located at.  It looks relatively new.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 10, 2021, 10:48:36 PM
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Should airline pilots be concerned about UFO's....interesting article. must be one of them there new smart flares...

..
https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/articles/news/should-airline-pilots-be-concerned-about-ufos.html

Don't get your hopes up about little green men from Mars flying UFOs in the Earth's atmosphere.  Little green men from Mars don't exist in the first place.  And there is no such thing as flying saucers either.

Bill Nye's explanation is the correct one.  Remember that Nye was an aeronautical engineer working for Boeing in his earlier life. 

Aircraft flying above 60,000 feet are all VFR and do not have to report to any air traffic control facility.  Such high flying aircraft will not be squawking anything that the air traffic control people can decipher.  However, they will be in constant contact with "home base", whatever and wherever that may be.  They will be using enciphered data links, satellites, etc., etc..

Douglass is a long time observer of what goes on visually and electronically in the skies of western Texas.  His photographs have frequently appeared in Aviation Week and revealed new designs including, a couple of years ago, what may be the new B-21 flying wing.

Aviation Week has also published pictures in the last few years of the unique contrails of an aircraft that is referred to as the "Pulser".  But the people who took those pictures did not see or hear the actual aircraft.  The term "pulse" refers to a pulse detonation engine.  Lockheed has publicly stated that they were working on such an engine that could be used from takeoff to the hypersonic flight regime.  If such an engine is successfully developed, and the project appears to be ongoing, then that would be a giant jump in high speed engine technology.

After posting the above, I accidentally found some related articles on the general subject that had been posted just today.  If you are interested, just Google SR-72, B-21, the new aircraft that was designed and flown in less than a year, and what P&W is doing to the SR-71 engine design to produce an engine that can do Mach 5+ compared to the Mach 3.2+ engine in the SR-71.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 10, 2021, 11:28:59 PM
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She had her jump filmed. I did not film my jump.

That said, we jumped at the same time so I'm in part of her video before we jump and then in the background under a blue canopy. The video is viewable at the following link:

https://revlx.cloud/render/e9fce25a-ee77-4edf-b351-91dac466efeb/share-page

Where is Skydive Phoenix located?  Is it near Maricopa?  I have spent several hundred hours flying in the Maricopa area and some of the mountains looked familiar, but I don't recognize the airport that Skydive Phoenix was located at.  It looks relatively new.

Yes it's just outside of Maricopa. The runway was short and something between gravel and paved. Nice view from above.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on March 11, 2021, 05:01:26 AM
My dear Chaucer... you have provided the best chuckle of the day. Thank you.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 11, 2021, 04:26:16 PM
Per discussions on another thread: I have put calls into all three flight attendants. My impression is that it will be difficult to get any of them to CooperCon. That said, we will see.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 12, 2021, 12:08:34 PM
I have a very basic CooperCon 2021 site up now which will be dramatically updated in the summer. For now the current site will list those confirmed to be attending CC21. The site is at: http://CooperCon2021.com.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 14, 2021, 04:04:25 PM
I just had a 70-minute phone call with Bill Rataczak. He will be attending CooperCon 2021 barring a health issue on the home front. He will also be speaking with Tina Mucklow today about her taking part, and expressed interest in reaching out to the rest of the crew.

This year's event will be huge!
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 14, 2021, 04:32:00 PM
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I just had a 70-minute phone call with Bill Rataczak. He will be attending CooperCon 2021 barring a health issue on the home front. He will also be speaking with Tina Mucklow today about her taking part, and expressed interest in reaching out to the rest of the crew.

This year's event will be huge!

Great!!!!  This is getting to be very interesting. 

This is all the more reason for keeping the Big Foot and Flying Saucer people out of this.  They are on plenty of internet sites already.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 14, 2021, 05:06:17 PM
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I just had a 70-minute phone call with Bill Rataczak. He will be attending CooperCon 2021 barring a health issue on the home front. He will also be speaking with Tina Mucklow today about her taking part, and expressed interest in reaching out to the rest of the crew.

This year's event will be huge!

Great!!!!  This is getting to be very interesting. 

This is all the more reason for keeping the Big Foot and Flying Saucer people out of this.  They are on plenty of internet sites already.

The bigfoot, UFO, legends of the PNW panel is staying in. The event is going to be very informative and a lot of fun all the way around.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 14, 2021, 05:34:22 PM
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I just had a 70-minute phone call with Bill Rataczak. He will be attending CooperCon 2021 barring a health issue on the home front. He will also be speaking with Tina Mucklow today about her taking part, and expressed interest in reaching out to the rest of the crew.

This year's event will be huge!

Great!!!!  This is getting to be very interesting. 

This is all the more reason for keeping the Big Foot and Flying Saucer people out of this.  They are on plenty of internet sites already.

The bigfoot, UFO, legends of the PNW panel is staying in. The event is going to be very informative and a lot of fun all the way around.

Okay, but do be prepared to ask any member of the flight crew that attends some real and enlightening questions, such as you just reportedly asked Rataczak on the flight path thread here.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 14, 2021, 05:37:41 PM
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I just had a 70-minute phone call with Bill Rataczak. He will be attending CooperCon 2021 barring a health issue on the home front. He will also be speaking with Tina Mucklow today about her taking part, and expressed interest in reaching out to the rest of the crew.

This year's event will be huge!

Great!!!!  This is getting to be very interesting. 

This is all the more reason for keeping the Big Foot and Flying Saucer people out of this.  They are on plenty of internet sites already.

The bigfoot, UFO, legends of the PNW panel is staying in. The event is going to be very informative and a lot of fun all the way around.

Okay, but do be prepared to ask any member of the flight crew that attends some real and enlightening questions, such as you just reportedly asked Rataczak on the flight path thread here.

Bill and I discussed the opportunity to establish an unvarnished historical record--likely the last opportunity. This will be LIVE. No opportunity for a producer somewhere to edit.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 14, 2021, 11:24:50 PM
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I just had a 70-minute phone call with Bill Rataczak. He will be attending CooperCon 2021 barring a health issue on the home front. He will also be speaking with Tina Mucklow today about her taking part, and expressed interest in reaching out to the rest of the crew.

This year's event will be huge!

Great!!!!  This is getting to be very interesting. 

This is all the more reason for keeping the Big Foot and Flying Saucer people out of this.  They are on plenty of internet sites already.

The bigfoot, UFO, legends of the PNW panel is staying in. The event is going to be very informative and a lot of fun all the way around.

Okay, but do be prepared to ask any member of the flight crew that attends some real and enlightening questions, such as you just reportedly asked Rataczak on the flight path thread here.

Bill and I discussed the opportunity to establish an unvarnished historical record--likely the last opportunity. This will be LIVE. No opportunity for a producer somewhere to edit.

Great!  Be sure to document it in both video and transcript form if at all possible.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 14, 2021, 11:37:54 PM
The entire thing is being video taped. I'll check into transcription.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 14, 2021, 11:58:24 PM
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The entire thing is being video taped. I'll check into transcription.

Check your e-mail.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on March 15, 2021, 12:06:55 AM
CooperCon21 Line-up

Here's the latest at CooperCon21, as it currently stands, at the Mountain News:

https://themountainnewswa.net/2021/03/14/coopercon2021-to-celebrate-the-50th-anniversary-of-the-db-cooper-skyjacking-in-grand-style/

Rumor has it that Marla doesn't hate me anymore... I'm sure more surprises await us at the 50th!
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on March 15, 2021, 12:08:52 AM
Wanna be part of the DB Cooper Chorus and perform "Singin' da DB Cooper Blues" at CooperCon?* Email me and I'll send y'all the lyrics.

* Or at the Victor 23 Tavern, or that Oyster Bar whose name I forget.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 15, 2021, 12:23:05 AM
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Wanna be part of the DB Cooper Chorus and perform "Singin' da DB Cooper Blues" at CooperCon?* Email me and I'll send y'all the lyrics.

* Or at the Victor 23 Tavern, or that Oyster Bar whose name I forget.

Some sort of karaoke one night sounds fun. If we make it happen I'll get up there too...perhaps my best George Strait, or Portugal.The Man, or Harry Styles.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Kermit on March 15, 2021, 01:15:58 AM
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Wanna be part of the DB Cooper Chorus and perform "Singin' da DB Cooper Blues" at CooperCon?* Email me and I'll send y'all the lyrics.

* Or at the Victor 23 Tavern, or that Oyster Bar whose name I forget.
The name is Dan and Louie’s Oyster Bar ! It’s been around for about 100 years so I have my doubts that it’s OUR Danny Boy ! Lol
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 15, 2021, 09:55:58 PM
Confirming that Nicholas Broughton will be at CC21. He'll be repping Klansnic during our "suspects panel."
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Parrotheadvol on March 16, 2021, 10:28:54 AM
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Wanna be part of the DB Cooper Chorus and perform "Singin' da DB Cooper Blues" at CooperCon?* Email me and I'll send y'all the lyrics.

* Or at the Victor 23 Tavern, or that Oyster Bar whose name I forget.

Some sort of karaoke one night sounds fun. If we make it happen I'll get up there too...perhaps my best George Strait, or Portugal.The Man, or Harry Styles.

If you’re going to karaoke, this is the song you need to do:

“Floating, I'm floating on down through the sky
Never had no ambition to learn how to fly
I'll be glad when it's over and ready to land
With this bag full of money I've got in my hand
If you can't get a job and they think you're insane
If the years of your youth have been washed down the drain
And you wake up some mornin' with nothin' but pain
It was then I decided to grab me a plane“


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EiTaqqIkK5I
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: dudeman17 on March 16, 2021, 05:21:49 PM
So who's their suspect that was in Korea rather than Vietnam?

Check out the intro to this live version...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J45_W0q_MPk
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on March 16, 2021, 05:27:10 PM
This is now on the play list. Definitely. I had never heard of it before!
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on March 16, 2021, 05:37:55 PM

"Bag Full of Money" – The Byrds


Floating I'm floating on down through the sky
Never had no ambition to learn how to fly
I'll be glad when it's over and ready to land
With this bag full of money I've got in my hand

Oh I grew up believing in Jesse and Frank
Cause I never had nothin' or no one to thank
And I came pretty close to unloadin' a bank
But I was saved by my draft board who made me a yank

Floating I'm floating...

And in the 101st they busted your hump
But they taught me a man isn't always a chump
In the course of Korea I learned how to jump
In the card game of life I was holding a trump

Floating I'm floating...

If you can't get a job and they think you're insane
If the years of your youth have been washed down the drain
And you wake up some mornin' with nothin' but pain
It was then I decided to grab me a plane

Floating I'm floating...

With all of my training it wasn't too tough
Now I'm through taking orders and all of their guff
Gonna buy a Rolls Royce and some luxury stuff
Cause a veteran's pension ain't nearly enough

Floating I'm floating... on down through the sky
Never had no ambition to learn how to fly
I'll be glad when it's over and ready to land
With this bag full of money I've got in my hand
If you can't get a job and they think you're insane
If the years of your youth have been washed down the drain
And you wake up some mornin' with nothin' but pain
It was then I decided to grab me a plane“
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on March 16, 2021, 05:41:38 PM
Singin’ the DB Cooper Blues


It was rainy, it was cold, it was dark, but he was bold.             C- Am
The night before Thanksgivin’, DB Cooper did a little skyjackin,’    F- G
After getting his cash and parachutes, he got his show on the road.
On a deserted runway down at Sea-Tac, he let his passengers go.


Refrain:
But, DB, DB, DB Cooper where did you go?
DB, DB, DB Cooper, a helluva lot of people sure wanna know.
DB, DB, DB Cooper can you give us a clue?
… vamp
The FBI’s officially closed the case, so, whaddaya say, Dude?


Bridge 1
Somewhere over Washington he put a chute on his back.       F-C
Then wrapped 200 Big Ones around him, tied in a sack          Em-Am
When DB Cooper jumped, he never looked back.                   F-C
And no one saw him go, - and folks that’s a fact!                     Em-G

Refrain:
DB, DB, DB Cooper where did you go?                    C-Am
DB, DB, DB Cooper, a helluva lot of people sure wanna know.     F-G
DB, DB, DB Cooper can you give us a clue?
None of the witnesses are talking, so, now we’re talkin’ to you!


Bridge 2
Nothing was found, nothing is known                     F-C
‘cept three bundles of money, found in Columbia River sand.      Em-Am   
(But) no one knows how it got there, and no one knows when      F-C
Lotsa mysteries baffling’ us investigatin’ men.                   Em-G

Refrain:
DB, DB, DB Cooper, where did you go?
DB, DB, DB Cooper, a lot of people sure wanna know.
DB, DB, DB Cooper, can you (at least) tell us your name?
C’mon buddy boy, you’re already in the skyjackers’ Hall of Fame.

Bridge 3:
Down in Portland you told Northwest that your name was “Dan”
The “DB” came from a mix-up between a TV reporter and a G-man.
So - DB, DB, DB Cooper, where did you go?
DB, DB, DB Cooper, a lot of people sure wanna know -


Bridge 4:
Besides those three bundolas, nothing’s been found               F-C
No body, no briefcase - no chutes or the bomb.             Em-Am   
The FBI has lost a ton of its evidence (so please tell us)            F-C
Is this part of a cover-up, or just governmental negligence?     Em-G

Refrain:
So, DB, DB, DB Cooper where did you go?                 C-Am
DB, DB, DB Cooper, a lot of people sure wanna know         F-G
DB, DB, DB Cooper, look here DB -                                C-Am
There’s a lot of missing pieces here, and…               F
… I’d SURE like to know.                              G-C




©
2019
Bruce A. Smith

Note: I'll be able to post the melody once I can figure out how to download the software stuff from PreSonus so that their "audiobox USB 96" will actually work. Sigh.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on March 16, 2021, 06:13:46 PM
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So who's their suspect that was in Korea rather than Vietnam?


MAC V SOG trooper JD Bath told me that Sgt. Ted Braden had told him that he, Braden, had fought with the 101st at Bastogne in WW II. Braden was also in Korea, as I understand his deployments, but with whom and what, I don't know. Author Drew Beeson might.

But I think it reasonable to consider the reference by The Byrds to be poetic license.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 19, 2021, 03:13:47 PM
Confirming that Cliff Ammerman will be taking part in CC21.

Cliff is one person that I know many will be interested in hearing as he recounts his recollections from the night of the skyjacking given that he was handling 305, the F-106's and the T-33 from Seattle ATC at the time DBC jumped.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 19, 2021, 08:08:27 PM
Tickets for CooperCon 2021 are now available

Ticket costs are $20 and get you into both days--Saturday, November 20th, 2021 and Sunday, November 21st, 2021.
Tickets may be purchased through the Kiggins Theatre ticket portal which is available via the CooperCon 2021 website at:

http://CooperCon2021.com

CooperCon will sell out this year. As you can see from the CooperCon website there will be a rockstar line-up with plenty of additions to come.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Chaucer on March 19, 2021, 10:49:51 PM
I’d like to suggest a dunk tank with Darren dressed as Cooper. He’d be a no-pull of course. 
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: georger on March 19, 2021, 11:28:49 PM
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Confirming that Cliff Ammerman will be taking part in CC21.

Cliff is one person that I know many will be interested in hearing as he recounts his recollections from the night of the skyjacking given that he was handling 305, the F-106's and the T-33 from Seattle ATC at the time DBC jumped.

Thats an asset - congrats!  :congrats:
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 21, 2021, 12:32:08 PM
I will have the CC21 schedule out this coming week. As the date draws near, many new participants will be added to the various panels and meet-and-greets.

http://CooperCon2021.com
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: DBfan57 on March 22, 2021, 01:23:26 PM
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I know there was a question on another thread about selling tickets to CooperCon 2021.

There will be a ticket price attached to the two-day conference portion of CooperCon--not the social events each evening starting on Friday, November 19th. I believe it will be $20 for both days total. In other words, $20 gets you a ticket good for both days.

The tickets will be available online through Kiggins' website, I believe starting this week. Also, I'll be launching a website this week which will direct people to the Kiggins' ticket portal.

Tickets will also be available at the door as was the case in 2018, but I wouldn't recommend it. After all, I expect a full house this year given the significance of the 50-year anniversary and that there will be a significant amount of media attention focused on the event--I believe even from the UK and Australia.

This year's event is only the beginning. My plan is to grow this into an annual week-long festival every November that celebrates the legends of the Pacific Northwest including Big Foot and purported "Flying Saucer" activity in the region. That said, DBC will serve as the primary thrust of CooperCon going forward and is intended to provide an experience that is festive, fun and informative.

Fer gawds sake EU, don't bring the big foot and flying saucer nutcases into the Cooper investigation!  Leave them in their own world.  Big foot and flying saucers have been thoroughly investigated and proven false.  This is not to say that there are some animals and fish that have never been identified or that all flying objects have been explained to the general public.  But just leave the nutcases in their own world.
Nut cases?  Like the Navy pilot that took the Tic Tac footage and the Phoenix Lights that were witnessed by thousands on March 13, 1997 in Phoenix?  David Fraver is the Navy pilot.  Due some research on the matter before you call them nut cases.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: 377 on March 22, 2021, 02:35:44 PM
Congrats to EU on enlisting people for CooperCon21 who were actually involve in the NORJAK event. They will be a refreshing alternative to people (like me) who are just speculating about what actually happened with flight path, jump time, weather etc. I am very much looking forward to the 2021 conference.

$20 admission seems reasonable. I’ll bet Eric spends a lot transporting and hosting speakers.

Although I’m on the 2021 speaker list I’ll gladly cede all or part my time slot to accommodate new speakers if that’s needed. If I do present, I think my new theme will be how I would have planned the caper if I were Cooper. A lot of things worked out for Cooper that could have gone very wrong. Was it luck or skill? I’ll also try to come up with a scenario that fits in with TK’s diatom research findings. The tie particles remain a mystery. I think they may provide direct links to Cooper’s employment. I’ve so far been unable to find a single source for all the particles.

I do hope Marla comes. She really lit up the first Portland symposium. Between Rataczak and Ammerman we should learn more about the flight path and possible exit points. A dialogue between the two might prove fruitful.

I think CKRET would be a great add.

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Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 22, 2021, 05:18:14 PM
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I know there was a question on another thread about selling tickets to CooperCon 2021.

There will be a ticket price attached to the two-day conference portion of CooperCon--not the social events each evening starting on Friday, November 19th. I believe it will be $20 for both days total. In other words, $20 gets you a ticket good for both days.

The tickets will be available online through Kiggins' website, I believe starting this week. Also, I'll be launching a website this week which will direct people to the Kiggins' ticket portal.

Tickets will also be available at the door as was the case in 2018, but I wouldn't recommend it. After all, I expect a full house this year given the significance of the 50-year anniversary and that there will be a significant amount of media attention focused on the event--I believe even from the UK and Australia.

This year's event is only the beginning. My plan is to grow this into an annual week-long festival every November that celebrates the legends of the Pacific Northwest including Big Foot and purported "Flying Saucer" activity in the region. That said, DBC will serve as the primary thrust of CooperCon going forward and is intended to provide an experience that is festive, fun and informative.

Fer gawds sake EU, don't bring the big foot and flying saucer nutcases into the Cooper investigation!  Leave them in their own world.  Big foot and flying saucers have been thoroughly investigated and proven false.  This is not to say that there are some animals and fish that have never been identified or that all flying objects have been explained to the general public.  But just leave the nutcases in their own world.
Nut cases?  Like the Navy pilot that took the Tic Tac footage and the Phoenix Lights that were witnessed by thousands on March 13, 1997 in Phoenix?  David Fraver is the Navy pilot.  Due some research on the matter before you call them nut cases.

I don't know what the "Tic Tac footage" is that you are referring to.  But if it is the footage recently released by the Navy, I think the jury is still out on that.

The case for the "Phoenix Lights" is open and shut.  All you have to do is Goggle "AeroVirnoment" or check out their page on Wiki.  Or if you are still a doubter, call AeroVirnoment in Simi Valley, California.  Their number is in the book.

But the "Phoenix Lights" give every indication of being designed by Earthlings, operated by Earthlings, and having escaped from that reservation up in Nevada. 
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 22, 2021, 05:26:58 PM
Perhaps the Phoenix lights and DBC are connected?

AerVironment was founded in 1971 by Paul MacCready. MacCready looks similar to DBC and was the right age (46 at time of skyjacking). Apparently he needed 200K for start-up.

Bingo! Case Solved.  :)
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 22, 2021, 06:14:56 PM
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Perhaps the Phoenix lights and DBC are connected?

AerVironment was founded in 1971 by Paul MacCready. MacCready looks similar to DBC and was the right age (46 at time of skyjacking). Apparently he needed 200K for start-up.

Bingo! Case Solved.  :)

Paul MacCready was a soaring pilot and has a "MacCready Ring" named after him which helps a soaring pilot determine which speed to fly between thermals.  MacCready also made at least one parachute jump and it was featured in an aviation publication.  Further, he won a prize (I don't remember the name of it) for designing a man powered aircraft that flew a specified track and won him some significant money.  I think he also designed the man powered aircraft that was the first such machine to fly across the English Channel.

MacCready had a PhD from Cal Tech and AeroVironment designed and flew numerous electrically powered machines that are a spitting image of the "UFO" that was seen in Phoenix.  However, the claim by at least one witness that the Phoenix UFO was one mile wide is nonsense.  No such aircraft has ever been built and won't be due to technical reasons, not to mention common sense.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 24, 2021, 06:31:17 PM
I spoke with Kiggins Theatre today and learned that tickets are selling very well. I was pleasantly surprised given that zero has been done thus far to market the event and we're still several months out.

That said, there is a lot yet to come TV-wise regarding DBC this year and CooperCon 2021 will sell out.

Therefore, for those viewing this site who perhaps aren't members but plan on attending CC21, I would encourage you to get your tickets now.

Visit the CooperCon 2021 website at CooperCon2021 (dot) com.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Darren on March 24, 2021, 11:59:30 PM
I've heard from a few fans of the show that they've already bought tickets. I would be surprised if it didn't sell out. Of course it'll be promoted on my show, but I'll be appearing on a few other podcasts as well to help promote it.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 25, 2021, 12:03:48 AM
Not according to Robert B. lol

Another funny thing is he always gets an email or what ever soon after Eric makes an update. last conference it was sudden emails from the producers. today, actually, I should say several hours after Eric's updates it was someone surrounding Kiggins, not to mention the begging.. :chr2:

This should give grounds for a full page response...
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 25, 2021, 12:26:49 AM
CooperCon 2021 will sell out (approx 500 tickets), and well before the event takes place. A word to the wise: Do not wait too long. This year will be a classic and the one year that people will forever talk about.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 25, 2021, 01:00:24 AM
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CooperCon 2021 will sell out (approx 500 tickets), and well before the event takes place. A word to the wise: Do not wait too long. This year will be a classic and the one year that people will forever talk about.

In so far as possible, just ignore RMB.  He is really desperate just as he was last time.  I trust Kiggins has been alerted to the possibility of getting a nasty letter from him.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 25, 2021, 02:06:48 AM
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CooperCon 2021 will sell out (approx 500 tickets), and well before the event takes place. A word to the wise: Do not wait too long. This year will be a classic and the one year that people will forever talk about.

In so far as possible, just ignore RMB.  He is really desperate just as he was last time.  I trust Kiggins has been alerted to the possibility of getting a nasty letter from him.

He tried the smear campaign with Kiggins in 2019. An email was sent to them at that time in an attempt to play spoiler like the Portland Yacht Club.

CC21 will be a huge success and will only grow year-in and year-out after this year.

Stay tuned!
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 25, 2021, 09:08:03 AM
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He tried the smear campaign with Kiggins in 2019. An email was sent to them at that time in an attempt to play spoiler like the Portland Yacht Club.

Two "poison pen" letters back to back. one in 2018 and the other in 2019, neither conference had anything to do with him or any reason for him to toss law suits at anyone. he even lied trying to justify the letter in Portland in the same posts.

I've heard from a few fans of the show that they've already bought tickets.
$20 admission seems reasonable. I’ll bet Eric spends a lot transporting and hosting speakers.
I spoke with Kiggins Theatre today and learned that tickets are selling very well.

Eric has held events for several years and doesn't whine about things or cancel the event and then promote it again. Robert still promotes the fact it might be cancelled yet again. you don't hit a home run everytime at the plate. as you read the quotes above some come from people other than the promoter. Robert tries to speak for everyone or act like he's speaking for people with everything he does. all his "emails" have perfect timing.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Parrotheadvol on March 25, 2021, 11:13:55 AM
It's jealousy, plain in simple. Eric has a long and impressive list of speakers that still continues to grow. Blevins has Greg the Techie Guy and the Kenny look a like contest.

I'm too far away, otherwise I would love to attend. $20 is nothing to attend, I would gladly pay more. Blevins acts like it's a kings ransom.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 25, 2021, 04:39:44 PM
Yes, it should be historical to the investigation. key people in the same room. word on the street is it's already becoming noticed. I seriously doubt Robert is needed. people see right through his nonsense. nothing wrong with his little camping trip. it appears he's on his own.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: DBfan57 on March 25, 2021, 05:08:28 PM
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I know there was a question on another thread about selling tickets to CooperCon 2021.

There will be a ticket price attached to the two-day conference portion of CooperCon--not the social events each evening starting on Friday, November 19th. I believe it will be $20 for both days total. In other words, $20 gets you a ticket good for both days.

The tickets will be available online through Kiggins' website, I believe starting this week. Also, I'll be launching a website this week which will direct people to the Kiggins' ticket portal.

Tickets will also be available at the door as was the case in 2018, but I wouldn't recommend it. After all, I expect a full house this year given the significance of the 50-year anniversary and that there will be a significant amount of media attention focused on the event--I believe even from the UK and Australia.

This year's event is only the beginning. My plan is to grow this into an annual week-long festival every November that celebrates the legends of the Pacific Northwest including Big Foot and purported "Flying Saucer" activity in the region. That said, DBC will serve as the primary thrust of CooperCon going forward and is intended to provide an experience that is festive, fun and informative.

Fer gawds sake EU, don't bring the big foot and flying saucer nutcases into the Cooper investigation!  Leave them in their own world.  Big foot and flying saucers have been thoroughly investigated and proven false.  This is not to say that there are some animals and fish that have never been identified or that all flying objects have been explained to the general public.  But just leave the nutcases in their own world.
Nut cases?  Like the Navy pilot that took the Tic Tac footage and the Phoenix Lights that were witnessed by thousands on March 13, 1997 in Phoenix?  David Fraver is the Navy pilot.  Due some research on the matter before you call them nut cases.

I don't know what the "Tic Tac footage" is that you are referring to.  But if it is the footage recently released by the Navy, I think the jury is still out on that.

The case for the "Phoenix Lights" is open and shut.  All you have to do is Goggle "AeroVirnoment" or check out their page on Wiki.  Or if you are still a doubter, call AeroVirnoment in Simi Valley, California.  Their number is in the book.

But the "Phoenix Lights" give every indication of being designed by Earthlings, operated by Earthlings, and having escaped from that reservation up in Nevada.
The Tic Tac objects in the Pacific, near San Diego and the one in the Atlantic that I cannot bring the name to mind right now, are from the USS Nimitz encounters.  And not only were the small tick tac shaped objects on Navy radar, a "mother ship" is on Navy SONAR.    And these things defied our laws of aerodynamics and physics, we nor the Russians have anything capable of suck manuevers.  For the record, I am Catholic and a firm believer in God.  And I also believe in science.  Just to give you my background.  Catch you  later. 
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 25, 2021, 05:10:48 PM
I just watched the tic tac video a week or so again. I remember when it first came out. it's a little harder to dismiss vs a blurred photo. same with bigfoot. always blurry photo's. I remember a comedian years back saying the problem might be that bigfoot is blurry  :rofl:
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 25, 2021, 05:14:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkPn-YMp9vI&ab_channel=TheTelegraph
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 25, 2021, 05:28:03 PM
Looks more like the "Bat signal" than a tic tac...
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 25, 2021, 08:35:40 PM
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I know there was a question on another thread about selling tickets to CooperCon 2021.

There will be a ticket price attached to the two-day conference portion of CooperCon--not the social events each evening starting on Friday, November 19th. I believe it will be $20 for both days total. In other words, $20 gets you a ticket good for both days.

The tickets will be available online through Kiggins' website, I believe starting this week. Also, I'll be launching a website this week which will direct people to the Kiggins' ticket portal.

Tickets will also be available at the door as was the case in 2018, but I wouldn't recommend it. After all, I expect a full house this year given the significance of the 50-year anniversary and that there will be a significant amount of media attention focused on the event--I believe even from the UK and Australia.

This year's event is only the beginning. My plan is to grow this into an annual week-long festival every November that celebrates the legends of the Pacific Northwest including Big Foot and purported "Flying Saucer" activity in the region. That said, DBC will serve as the primary thrust of CooperCon going forward and is intended to provide an experience that is festive, fun and informative.

Fer gawds sake EU, don't bring the big foot and flying saucer nutcases into the Cooper investigation!  Leave them in their own world.  Big foot and flying saucers have been thoroughly investigated and proven false.  This is not to say that there are some animals and fish that have never been identified or that all flying objects have been explained to the general public.  But just leave the nutcases in their own world.
Nut cases?  Like the Navy pilot that took the Tic Tac footage and the Phoenix Lights that were witnessed by thousands on March 13, 1997 in Phoenix?  David Fraver is the Navy pilot.  Due some research on the matter before you call them nut cases.

I don't know what the "Tic Tac footage" is that you are referring to.  But if it is the footage recently released by the Navy, I think the jury is still out on that.

The case for the "Phoenix Lights" is open and shut.  All you have to do is Goggle "AeroVirnoment" or check out their page on Wiki.  Or if you are still a doubter, call AeroVirnoment in Simi Valley, California.  Their number is in the book.

But the "Phoenix Lights" give every indication of being designed by Earthlings, operated by Earthlings, and having escaped from that reservation up in Nevada.
The Tic Tac objects in the Pacific, near San Diego and the one in the Atlantic that I cannot bring the name to mind right now, are from the USS Nimitz encounters.  And not only were the small tick tac shaped objects on Navy radar, a "mother ship" is on Navy SONAR.    And these things defied our laws of aerodynamics and physics, we nor the Russians have anything capable of suck manuevers.  For the record, I am Catholic and a firm believer in God.  And I also believe in science.  Just to give you my background.  Catch you  later.

Nothing defies our laws of aerodynamics and physics!  When in Rome you do as the Romans do.  Any little green men from Mars, or anywhere else, are going to have to follow Earth physics when visiting our fair planet.

I may have seen some video of these Tic Tac objects.  If I did, I was impressed by how the object stayed relatively in the same position with respect to the camera during some maneuvers.  That is actually a bit difficult to do at high speeds and altitudes.  The Navy Blue Angels and the USAF Thunderbirds are an exception to this rule.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 25, 2021, 11:18:15 PM
In a military report made public by KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, another crew member with 17 years of experience on similar cruisers would later observe that the objects “exhibited ballistic-missile characteristics” as they zoomed from 60,000 feet to 50 feet above the Pacific Ocean, alarmingly without producing sonic booms. All told, radar operators with the Princeton spent about two weeks attempting to figure out what the objects were, a process that included having the ship’s radar system shut down and recalibrated to make sure that the mysterious radar returns were not not false positives, or “ghost tracks.”

The footage appears to depict what Fravor had identified as a 40-foot-long, white, oblong shape (hence “Tic Tac”), hovering somewhere between 15,000 and 24,000 feet in midair and exhibiting no notable exhaust from conventional propulsion sources, even as it makes a surprising dart leftward in the video’s final moments. Of the three UFO incidents captured by U.S. Navy airmen via infrared gun-camera pods, Underwood’s footage remains unique for its lack of cross talk between the pilots — a fact that has led to some speculation about its authenticity. But “there wasn’t anything on it that was protected,

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/tic-tac-ufo-video-q-and-a-with-navy-pilot-chad-underwood.html
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 26, 2021, 12:09:24 AM
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In a military report made public by KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, another crew member with 17 years of experience on similar cruisers would later observe that the objects “exhibited ballistic-missile characteristics” as they zoomed from 60,000 feet to 50 feet above the Pacific Ocean, alarmingly without producing sonic booms. All told, radar operators with the Princeton spent about two weeks attempting to figure out what the objects were, a process that included having the ship’s radar system shut down and recalibrated to make sure that the mysterious radar returns were not not false positives, or “ghost tracks.”

The footage appears to depict what Fravor had identified as a 40-foot-long, white, oblong shape (hence “Tic Tac”), hovering somewhere between 15,000 and 24,000 feet in midair and exhibiting no notable exhaust from conventional propulsion sources, even as it makes a surprising dart leftward in the video’s final moments. Of the three UFO incidents captured by U.S. Navy airmen via infrared gun-camera pods, Underwood’s footage remains unique for its lack of cross talk between the pilots — a fact that has led to some speculation about its authenticity. But “there wasn’t anything on it that was protected,

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/tic-tac-ufo-video-q-and-a-with-navy-pilot-chad-underwood.html

Let me point out that the linked site gives inconsistent descriptions of what appears to be more than one object.  I would like to see more information on this before making any speculations as to what they might be.

But for the record, birds have been seen at or very near the summit of Mount Everest which is 28,000 feet high above sea level.  I have seen hawks and other birds as high as 10,000 feet above the surface.  I have also seen newspaper pages and bugs up about 10,000 feet above the surface.  I tried to snag a newspaper once several thousand feet above the surface, but the wing affected the flow field in front of it to the point that the paper would move out of the way and I couldn't contact it.

The descent, hover, and such things described in the link are not physically possible and there must be some other explanation.

 
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 26, 2021, 12:20:01 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkPn-YMp9vI&ab_channel=TheTelegraph

Note that the object is essentially stationary with respect to the camera.  This is not the way things would happen in real life.  I suspect there is a gremlin somewhere in the system.  But if the pilot saw this object by just looking out the canopy at the same time it was being recorded, then that adds tremendous credibility to the story.  If the pilot saw the object only thru his gun sight at the same time it was being filmed, then the problem is going to be somewhere in the system. 
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 26, 2021, 03:16:06 AM
Underwood said the object definitely wasn't a bird or a weather balloon, and since it was moving at a speed of about 138 mph, it was presumably too slow to be an aircraft. It also had no wings or heat, which ruled out the possibility of a cruise missile.

The DOD report said the object "possibly demonstrated the ability to 'cloak' or become invisible to the human eye" and might be able to "operate undersea completely undetectable by our most advanced sensors.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: dudeman17 on March 26, 2021, 04:59:01 AM
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Note that the object is essentially stationary with respect to the camera.  This is not the way things would happen in real life.  I suspect there is a gremlin somewhere in the system.  But if the pilot saw this object by just looking out the canopy at the same time it was being recorded, then that adds tremendous credibility to the story.  If the pilot saw the object only thru his gun sight at the same time it was being filmed, then the problem is going to be somewhere in the system.

Um...  The camera locks on to the object and tracks it automatically. You can literally watch that process happen in the very video you reposted.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: DBfan57 on March 26, 2021, 10:35:52 AM
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I know there was a question on another thread about selling tickets to CooperCon 2021.

There will be a ticket price attached to the two-day conference portion of CooperCon--not the social events each evening starting on Friday, November 19th. I believe it will be $20 for both days total. In other words, $20 gets you a ticket good for both days.

The tickets will be available online through Kiggins' website, I believe starting this week. Also, I'll be launching a website this week which will direct people to the Kiggins' ticket portal.

Tickets will also be available at the door as was the case in 2018, but I wouldn't recommend it. After all, I expect a full house this year given the significance of the 50-year anniversary and that there will be a significant amount of media attention focused on the event--I believe even from the UK and Australia.

This year's event is only the beginning. My plan is to grow this into an annual week-long festival every November that celebrates the legends of the Pacific Northwest including Big Foot and purported "Flying Saucer" activity in the region. That said, DBC will serve as the primary thrust of CooperCon going forward and is intended to provide an experience that is festive, fun and informative.

Fer gawds sake EU, don't bring the big foot and flying saucer nutcases into the Cooper investigation!  Leave them in their own world.  Big foot and flying saucers have been thoroughly investigated and proven false.  This is not to say that there are some animals and fish that have never been identified or that all flying objects have been explained to the general public.  But just leave the nutcases in their own world.
Nut cases?  Like the Navy pilot that took the Tic Tac footage and the Phoenix Lights that were witnessed by thousands on March 13, 1997 in Phoenix?  David Fraver is the Navy pilot.  Due some research on the matter before you call them nut cases.

I don't know what the "Tic Tac footage" is that you are referring to.  But if it is the footage recently released by the Navy, I think the jury is still out on that.

The case for the "Phoenix Lights" is open and shut.  All you have to do is Goggle "AeroVirnoment" or check out their page on Wiki.  Or if you are still a doubter, call AeroVirnoment in Simi Valley, California.  Their number is in the book.

But the "Phoenix Lights" give every indication of being designed by Earthlings, operated by Earthlings, and having escaped from that reservation up in Nevada.
The other event and object i meant to mention was the Gimble object, spotted by the Navy in the Atlantic. That is the one with the mother ship they recorded on Sonar to my memory?  And I disagree with you on the Phoenix lights being open and shut.   The tic tac and gimble objects you will not be able to shoot down.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 26, 2021, 10:52:13 AM
They have shown up at missile sites as well. 1967 they shutdown 10 ICBM's to a "no-go" status..all becoming inoperable.

https://www.cufon.org/cufon/malmstrom/malm1.htm

I remember another one in England if not mistaken just outside a military base. tape recordings of the incident can be found online.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 26, 2021, 11:01:21 AM
Throughout history, unexplained aerial phenomena (UAPs) have shocked, frightened and fascinated sky watchers. And in the last century, more than a few have been reported in military contexts. In late World War II, U.S. airmen called them “foo fighters”: strange orange flying lights by the French-German border. During the Korean War, some soldiers claimed a blue-green light emitting “pulsing rays” made their whole battalion sick with what, to some, resembled radiation poisoning.

Less known: In the last 75 years, high-ranking U.S. military and intelligence personnel have also reported UAPs near sites associated with nuclear power, weaponry and technology—from the early atomic-bomb development and test sites to active nuclear naval fleets.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 26, 2021, 02:02:01 PM
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Note that the object is essentially stationary with respect to the camera.  This is not the way things would happen in real life.  I suspect there is a gremlin somewhere in the system.  But if the pilot saw this object by just looking out the canopy at the same time it was being recorded, then that adds tremendous credibility to the story.  If the pilot saw the object only thru his gun sight at the same time it was being filmed, then the problem is going to be somewhere in the system.

Um...  The camera locks on to the object and tracks it automatically. You can literally watch that process happen in the very video you reposted.

Did the pilot see the same thing and if so was he looking at it through his gun sight or out the cockpit window? 
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 26, 2021, 02:12:43 PM
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I know there was a question on another thread about selling tickets to CooperCon 2021.

There will be a ticket price attached to the two-day conference portion of CooperCon--not the social events each evening starting on Friday, November 19th. I believe it will be $20 for both days total. In other words, $20 gets you a ticket good for both days.

The tickets will be available online through Kiggins' website, I believe starting this week. Also, I'll be launching a website this week which will direct people to the Kiggins' ticket portal.

Tickets will also be available at the door as was the case in 2018, but I wouldn't recommend it. After all, I expect a full house this year given the significance of the 50-year anniversary and that there will be a significant amount of media attention focused on the event--I believe even from the UK and Australia.

This year's event is only the beginning. My plan is to grow this into an annual week-long festival every November that celebrates the legends of the Pacific Northwest including Big Foot and purported "Flying Saucer" activity in the region. That said, DBC will serve as the primary thrust of CooperCon going forward and is intended to provide an experience that is festive, fun and informative.

Fer gawds sake EU, don't bring the big foot and flying saucer nutcases into the Cooper investigation!  Leave them in their own world.  Big foot and flying saucers have been thoroughly investigated and proven false.  This is not to say that there are some animals and fish that have never been identified or that all flying objects have been explained to the general public.  But just leave the nutcases in their own world.
Nut cases?  Like the Navy pilot that took the Tic Tac footage and the Phoenix Lights that were witnessed by thousands on March 13, 1997 in Phoenix?  David Fraver is the Navy pilot.  Due some research on the matter before you call them nut cases.

I don't know what the "Tic Tac footage" is that you are referring to.  But if it is the footage recently released by the Navy, I think the jury is still out on that.

The case for the "Phoenix Lights" is open and shut.  All you have to do is Goggle "AeroVirnoment" or check out their page on Wiki.  Or if you are still a doubter, call AeroVirnoment in Simi Valley, California.  Their number is in the book.

But the "Phoenix Lights" give every indication of being designed by Earthlings, operated by Earthlings, and having escaped from that reservation up in Nevada.
The other event and object i meant to mention was the Gimble object, spotted by the Navy in the Atlantic. That is the one with the mother ship they recorded on Sonar to my memory?  And I disagree with you on the Phoenix lights being open and shut.   The tic tac and gimble objects you will not be able to shoot down.

Admittedly, you can't shoot down something that is not a physical object or that is not there in the first place.  Some of these incidents are being pushed by known "UFO" believers, advocates, and speculators.

There is every indication that the Phoenix Lights were a physical object of known origin as I have explained previously.  You need to read the Wiki page for the company I have previously mentioned and see what they were doing and who they were doing it for in that same time frame.

For the UFO believers, get a good night's sleep.  The world will look better tomorrow.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 26, 2021, 02:26:41 PM
A former U.S. Navy fighter pilot spoke this month about what he says was an encounter with a “Tic Tac”-shaped UFO and believes the flying object committed an “act of war.”

Retired Cmdr. David Fravor recalled the strange encounter off San Diego 16 years ago in a Sept. 8 podcast with MIT research scientist Lex Fridman.

Fravor says he was dispatched to investigate radar anomalies and later described what he saw as "like nothing I've ever seen" – a Tic Tac-shaped object able to turn on a dime and make itself invisible to radar, New Zealand’s TV Channel 3 reported.

"This is not like, 'we saw it and it was gone', or 'I saw lights in the sky and it's gone' – we watched this thing on a crystal clear day with four trained observers," Fravor said."

"The radar is smart enough that when the signal comes back if it's been messed with, it will tell you – it will give you indications that it's being jammed... It's being jammed into about every mode you can see... You can tell it's being jammed,” he said.

"When you actively jam another platform, that's technically an act of war," Fravor told Fridman.

Fridman called Fravor "one of the most credible witnesses" in the history of UFO research.

Complete nutcase?
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 26, 2021, 02:50:05 PM
The pilot spoke at a conference saying it had been going on for 10 weeks. the objects would go from 60,000 to 20,000 sitting there for 3 hours. they were tracked sitting and moving at a high rate of speed. Fravor states he didn't want to talk about "little green men" but believes there is a lot out there that we don't know about.

Tossing everyone into the same bowl is not going to make it false or give the excuse of a flare or a high altitude flyover..
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: dudeman17 on March 26, 2021, 05:27:21 PM
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Note that the object is essentially stationary with respect to the camera.  This is not the way things would happen in real life.  I suspect there is a gremlin somewhere in the system.  But if the pilot saw this object by just looking out the canopy at the same time it was being recorded, then that adds tremendous credibility to the story.  If the pilot saw the object only thru his gun sight at the same time it was being filmed, then the problem is going to be somewhere in the system.

Um...  The camera locks on to the object and tracks it automatically. You can literally watch that process happen in the very video you reposted.

Did the pilot see the same thing and if so was he looking at it through his gun sight or out the cockpit window?

In the segments with audio, they sound like they're watching the same thing. How they're looking at it I don't know, not sure how that would affect what the camera is doing. In the second segment, the guy reacts when the camera successfully locks on. My guess would be that he saw it through the window, then manipulated the camera to make it lock on.

I'm not saying that I believe in UFO's. My take on UFO's is the same as my take on Bigfoot or the details of the Cooper case: I don't know.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 26, 2021, 05:40:21 PM
Odds are they had visual as well as radar contacts. this was something going on for 10 weeks. they claim it cloaks and speak about crystal clear days. natural things wouldn't fly along with you or not permit you to get close.

I have no idea what it is either but it's not something easily dismissed.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on March 26, 2021, 07:10:06 PM
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Note that the object is essentially stationary with respect to the camera.  This is not the way things would happen in real life.  I suspect there is a gremlin somewhere in the system.  But if the pilot saw this object by just looking out the canopy at the same time it was being recorded, then that adds tremendous credibility to the story.  If the pilot saw the object only thru his gun sight at the same time it was being filmed, then the problem is going to be somewhere in the system.

Um...  The camera locks on to the object and tracks it automatically. You can literally watch that process happen in the very video you reposted.

Did the pilot see the same thing and if so was he looking at it through his gun sight or out the cockpit window?

In the segments with audio, they sound like they're watching the same thing. How they're looking at it I don't know, not sure how that would affect what the camera is doing. In the second segment, the guy reacts when the camera successfully locks on. My guess would be that he saw it through the window, then manipulated the camera to make it lock on.

I'm not saying that I believe in UFO's. My take on UFO's is the same as my take on Bigfoot or the details of the Cooper case: I don't know.

The display indicates that whatever the camera saw had quite a few additions to it before it was displayed to the pilot.  These were modern aircraft that saw these objects and that means there is quite a bit of processing between the raw images and the images displayed in the cockpit.  The pilot simply could not lock onto the object by looking out the window.  He had to be looking at the processed camera display.  This means that there was probably a gremlin somewhere in the system.

The modern computer-controlled naval ships produced a surprise a few years ago.  A large US Navy ship, it may have been an aircraft carrier, was sailing merrily along on the high seas when the propulsion system suddenly shut completely down.  The crew did manage to get underway again but an investigation was made into the cause of the problem.  The investigation included a complete analysis of the computer software that controlled the propulsion system.  The investigators discovered that somewhere in the software, the computer had tried to divide by zero.  Division by zero is not defined and the conditions under which the ship was operating were apparently the first time they had experienced that.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 26, 2021, 07:54:12 PM
If the pilots only seen the object through the radar the military would have a easy explanation of what they saw and end the controversy. objects were around battleships in the same area as well.

Files from the Pentagon were released. why go that far if it was so easy to dismiss as a glitch in the system. it sounds like that option is off the table. portion from the pentagon below..

According to the report, one of the pilots dispatched to investigate the object reported seeing a disturbance in the otherwise calm ocean. The pilot reported that the “disturbance appeared to be 50 to 100 meters in diameter and close to round” and “reminded him of images of something rapidly submerging from the surface like a submarine or ship sinking.”

As Dudeman and myself pointed out, we didn't say it was an alien craft. here is what "MIT astrophysicist science" states.

 “what people sometimes don’t get about science is that we often have phenomena that remain unexplained.”

Simply knocking it down as glitches and flares etc. is old school thinking. sometimes it can hide the truth using this logic.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 26, 2021, 08:05:00 PM
an unknown, 45-foot long Tic Tac shaped object played cat and mouse with the U.S. Navy off the coast of California. The mighty U.S.S. Nimitz aircraft carrier, and its support ships including the U.S.S. Princeton, carrying the most sophisticated sensor systems in the world, repeatedly detected recurring glimpses of the Tic Tac but were unable to lock on.

On Nov.14, F-18s were ordered into the area and saw it up close. Veteran pilot Dave Fravor, commander of the elite Black Aces unit, says the Tic Tac reacted to the presence of the F-18s then took off like a bullet fired from a gun.

Pentagon report

The report lists the advanced sensors involved at the time, AN/SPY, capable of tracking a golf ball at 100 miles, the E-2C Hawkeye Airborne Early Warning aircraft, as well as shipboard radars and sensors on multiple F-18s which interacted with the Tic Tac, and with something else.

Pilots reported a large disturbance just under the surface of the ocean, round and 100 yards across. It appeared as if the Tic Tac was rendezvousing with the underwater object.

Among the key findings in the report — the AAV is not something that belongs to the U.S. or any other nation. It was so advanced, it rendered U.S. capabilities ineffective. It showed velocities far greater than anything known to exist, and it could turn itself invisible, both to radar and the human eye. Essentially, it was undetectable, and unchallenged.

I'm going to move this topic off of this thread..
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on March 26, 2021, 09:50:17 PM
Where's the UFO topic going, Shut?

To me, the argument over whether UFOs are real or not was over a long time ago. I think the real question is two-fold: why do non-believers believe that way, and secondly, what are we UFO believers gonna do about it.

I've come to learn in my 71 years on this planet that people believe what they do because they really need to believe it. Folks may become irksome while doing their believing, but that doesn't really diminish their need.

For me, the UFO believers are divided into two groups: The Tech Guys who investigate the sightings, crashes, close encounters, etc. The Second Group are my people - the abductees.

For those of us who have seen an UFO or been abducted, the argument over "realness" is ridiculous. We know what we saw. We know what happened. We know most folks don't believe us. So, we become selective on who, when and where we share. When people call us crazy we simply walk away. It's the only polite thing to do, really.

So, when the CC22 shifts into PNW Weirdness, I hope we don't get hung up on arguing on the realness of UFOs, Aliens, Biggie, etc., but rather on who saw what and when, and what it all means to us. There lies the true mystery and the utter wonderment of life.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 26, 2021, 10:34:20 PM
Two things:

First, I am confirming that Ron and Pat Forman will be taking part in CC21.

Second, Bruce you do not have to wait until CC22; CC21 will feature the "Legends of the Pacific Northwest" panel that will discuss Bigfoot and UFOs.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on March 26, 2021, 11:16:54 PM
Does Bill Rataczak know he's coming to a Bigfoot conference? Mixing the 50th AND Bigfoot sounds pretty risky to me.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on March 26, 2021, 11:29:00 PM
I guess since UFO's will be discussed at the conference the comments can remain here.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on March 27, 2021, 05:38:43 PM
CooperCon 2021 Proposed Discussions and Presentations:

CC21 will run 10AM - 4PM each day, Sat., Nov. 20 and Sun., Nov. 21, 2021. Therefore, I am planning on four one-hour segments not including lunch and transition time each day. The following is a list of the eight segments I've tentatively settled upon. That said, feel free to make some suggestions before the schedule is set--consider that if something new is added, something from this list must be eliminated.

1) Flight Crew Discussion
2) Suspects Discussion
3) Tena Bar Money Discussion
4) Flight Path Discussion
5) Did DB Cooper Survive Discussion
6) Diatom Discovery Presentation
7) Tie Evidence Presentation
8) Other Pacific Northwest Legends Discussion


The current list of speakers and tickets are available at: http://CooperCon2021.com .
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: DBfan57 on March 30, 2021, 12:38:37 PM
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A former U.S. Navy fighter pilot spoke this month about what he says was an encounter with a “Tic Tac”-shaped UFO and believes the flying object committed an “act of war.”

Retired Cmdr. David Fravor recalled the strange encounter off San Diego 16 years ago in a Sept. 8 podcast with MIT research scientist Lex Fridman.

Fravor says he was dispatched to investigate radar anomalies and later described what he saw as "like nothing I've ever seen" – a Tic Tac-shaped object able to turn on a dime and make itself invisible to radar, New Zealand’s TV Channel 3 reported.

"This is not like, 'we saw it and it was gone', or 'I saw lights in the sky and it's gone' – we watched this thing on a crystal clear day with four trained observers," Fravor said."

"The radar is smart enough that when the signal comes back if it's been messed with, it will tell you – it will give you indications that it's being jammed... It's being jammed into about every mode you can see... You can tell it's being jammed,” he said.

"When you actively jam another platform, that's technically an act of war," Fravor told Fridman.

Fridman called Fravor "one of the most credible witnesses" in the history of UFO research.

Complete nutcase?

He is very credible.  I have seen many of his interviews. 
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: DBfan57 on March 30, 2021, 12:40:27 PM
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CooperCon 2021 Proposed Discussions and Presentations:

CC21 will run 10AM - 4PM each day, Sat., Nov. 20 and Sun., Nov. 21, 2021. Therefore, I am planning on four one-hour segments not including lunch and transition time each day. The following is a list of the eight segments I've tentatively settled upon. That said, feel free to make some suggestions before the schedule is set--consider that if something new is added, something from this list must be eliminated.

1) Flight Crew Discussion
2) Suspects Discussion
3) Tena Bar Money Discussion
4) Flight Path Discussion
5) Did DB Cooper Survive Discussion
6) Diatom Discovery Presentation
7) Tie Evidence Presentation
8) Other Pacific Northwest Legends Discussion


The current list of speakers and tickets are available at: http://CooperCon2021.com .
Sorry, I did not mean to post over this announcement. I was replying to another discussion.  So please bump the highlighted thread.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on April 06, 2021, 02:54:52 PM
I just spoke with Bill Rataczak and was informed that he does not believe that he will be able to make it to CC21 given the health of his wife. If something changes he will let me know.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robertrand on April 09, 2021, 12:00:33 AM
I'm sorry to hear that! Hopefully one of the Flight Attendants, if not all, will agree to attend. I'm always around Vancouver, if you need help.  :chr2:


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I just spoke with Bill Rataczak and was informed that he does not believe that he will be able to make it to CC21 given the health of his wife. If something changes he will let me know.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on April 09, 2021, 11:49:03 PM
Sad news for cc21 and worse for Bill. hopefully, she will recover.

Blevins decided to take advantage of her illness to try and gain points denying any health issues claiming Bill backed out. the guy has no respect...

Rereading his comment does show he believes his wife is ill but still takes advantage of the cause to spew false assumptions..
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on April 10, 2021, 12:29:24 AM
I like Bill a lot. He has been very generous with his time. His wife has had a few strokes over recent months which have been challenging. Bill told me early on that his wife's health could be an issue. When we last spoke Bill said he would have to cancel and that if anything changed he would let me know.

Anyone who attempts to leverage Bill's misfortune and that of his wife not only doesn't know what the f#.K they're talking about, they're also a world-class piece of shit. Enough said.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on April 10, 2021, 01:22:58 AM
rereading his comment shows he did believe his wife is ill but adds in his own explanation of why he couldn't make it. he's taken advantage of the issue adding his reason for Bill backing out.

It would of been nice to have him at the conference but I fully understand his reasons and back what ever he does..
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: DBfan57 on April 13, 2021, 05:01:23 AM
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CooperCon 2021 UPDATE:

Location: Kiggins Theatre, Vancouver, WA

Dates: Friday, November 19, 2021 - Sunday, November 21, 2021

Schedule (Overview):

Not sure where Mucklow  lives?  I know Shafner is in S Carolina somewhere no doubt with a new last name?  If Tina does not live close, its going to cost them money to fly there, money for a hotel, and really, its something they have tried to avoid over the years.  So getting them to come is a stretch.  Dont you think?  It would sure help if there were funds available to offer them the cost of the flight and hotel.  That way they might be motivated?  Just a thought.  Would it be worth the investment to get one of the two main stewardess's present that "knew him"?  They are after all the star witness's in this case.  The only two that have a  snowball in hell's chance of identifying his voice lets say?  The cigarettes are gone forever.  Stupid beyond words.   So I believe that Mucklow is the key to this entire thing.  Still alive and healthy as far as I know?

>>> Friday, November 19th, Evening Social at Portland, OR location yet to be determined.
>>> Saturday, November 20th, Conference from 10a - 4p at Kiggins. Evening Social at Vancouver, WA location yet to be determined.
>>> Sunday, November 21st, Conference from 10a - 4p at Kiggins. Evening Social at location yet to be determined.

Confirmed Guests and Speakers as of today:

Brian Ingram
Catherine Scott (Capt. Scott's daughter)
Mary Jean Fryar (former FBI)
Tom Kaye
Bruce Smith
Mark Meltzer (377)
Vern Jones
Eric Ulis
Darren Schaefer (Master of Ceremonies)

-My plan is to reach out to several other people who have a connection to the case. I'll post updates as required.
-Also, I'll be creating a website for CC21 which will be LIVE soon.
-Additionally I'm planning on a conference that has plenty of panel discussions about several topics while actively engaging the attendees.
-There will be some giveaways and fun activities too.
-I'm also working to have tables set-up featuring items from local businesses.
-Finally, I will have T-shirts available with the CC21 logo (below).

Feel free to post ideas or thoughts.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on April 17, 2021, 03:36:04 PM
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Should airline pilots be concerned about UFO's....interesting article. must be one of them there new smart flares...

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https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/articles/news/should-airline-pilots-be-concerned-about-ufos.html

Don't get your hopes up about little green men from Mars flying UFOs in the Earth's atmosphere.  Little green men from Mars don't exist in the first place.  And there is no such thing as flying saucers either.

Bill Nye's explanation is the correct one.  Remember that Nye was an aeronautical engineer working for Boeing in his earlier life. 

Aircraft flying above 60,000 feet are all VFR and do not have to report to any air traffic control facility.  Such high flying aircraft will not be squawking anything that the air traffic control people can decipher.  However, they will be in constant contact with "home base", whatever and wherever that may be.  They will be using enciphered data links, satellites, etc., etc..

Douglass is a long time observer of what goes on visually and electronically in the skies of western Texas.  His photographs have frequently appeared in Aviation Week and revealed new designs including, a couple of years ago, what may be the new B-21 flying wing.

Aviation Week has also published pictures in the last few years of the unique contrails of an aircraft that is referred to as the "Pulser".  But the people who took those pictures did not see or hear the actual aircraft.  The term "pulse" refers to a pulse detonation engine.  Lockheed has publicly stated that they were working on such an engine that could be used from takeoff to the hypersonic flight regime.  If such an engine is successfully developed, and the project appears to be ongoing, then that would be a giant jump in high-speed engine technology.

Further to the above, the Navy has just released a new video of a UFO encounter that can be viewed on the CNN home page today.  This video is believable.  It shows a triangle-shaped aircraft that is maneuvering ahead of an F-18.  They are definitely not flying in formation so it is not a gremlin in any F-18 system.

The UFO appears to have at least low supersonic speed capability but definitely not hypersonic capability.  The video was described as being filmed off the east coast of the USA and over the Atlantic Ocean.

Fear not, it didn't come from Mars and wasn't being flown by little green men.  It gave every appearance of being designed, constructed, and operated (whether manned or un-manned) by Earthlings.

Who the UFO belongs to is open to question, but it apparently just got caught in the Navy's airspace which resulted in the video.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: DBfan57 on April 18, 2021, 07:16:24 PM
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Should airline pilots be concerned about UFO's....interesting article. must be one of them there new smart flares...

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https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/articles/news/should-airline-pilots-be-concerned-about-ufos.html

Please do not act like you have all the answers on this matter.

Don't get your hopes up about little green men from Mars flying UFOs in the Earth's atmosphere.  Little green men from Mars don't exist in the first place.  And there is no such thing as flying saucers either.

Bill Nye's explanation is the correct one.  Remember that Nye was an aeronautical engineer working for Boeing in his earlier life. 

Aircraft flying above 60,000 feet are all VFR and do not have to report to any air traffic control facility.  Such high flying aircraft will not be squawking anything that the air traffic control people can decipher.  However, they will be in constant contact with "home base", whatever and wherever that may be.  They will be using enciphered data links, satellites, etc., etc..

Douglass is a long time observer of what goes on visually and electronically in the skies of western Texas.  His photographs have frequently appeared in Aviation Week and revealed new designs including, a couple of years ago, what may be the new B-21 flying wing.

Aviation Week has also published pictures in the last few years of the unique contrails of an aircraft that is referred to as the "Pulser".  But the people who took those pictures did not see or hear the actual aircraft.  The term "pulse" refers to a pulse detonation engine.  Lockheed has publicly stated that they were working on such an engine that could be used from takeoff to the hypersonic flight regime.  If such an engine is successfully developed, and the project appears to be ongoing, then that would be a giant jump in high-speed engine technology.

Further to the above, the Navy has just released a new video of a UFO encounter that can be viewed on the CNN home page today.  This video is believable.  It shows a triangle-shaped aircraft that is maneuvering ahead of an F-18.  They are definitely not flying in formation so it is not a gremlin in any F-18 system.

The UFO appears to have at least low supersonic speed capability but definitely not hypersonic capability.  The video was described as being filmed off the east coast of the USA and over the Atlantic Ocean.

Fear not, it didn't come from Mars and wasn't being flown by little green men.  It gave every appearance of being designed, constructed, and operated (whether manned or un-manned) by Earthlings.

Who the UFO belongs to is open to question, but it apparently just got caught in the Navy's airspace which resulted in the video.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Lynn on May 08, 2021, 03:37:24 AM
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She had her jump filmed. I did not film my jump.

That said, we jumped at the same time so I'm in part of her video before we jump and then in the background under a blue canopy. The video is viewable at the following link:

https://revlx.cloud/render/e9fce25a-ee77-4edf-b351-91dac466efeb/share-page
You should plan a jump in November at CooperCon.

That's actually a pretty cool idea. I'm sure 377 would jump too.
You have to do it at night wearing only a business suit and loafers with $200,000 tied to your torso though or it doesn’t count.  :rofl:
Pfft, I'm a first-class chicken, but if someone wants to strap $200,000 to me, shag it, I'll pick up the suit and tie myself. Marty's book convinced me I'd have a better chance of surviving that than a trip downtown at this point. ;)
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: DBfan57 on May 10, 2021, 03:25:36 PM
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Should airline pilots be concerned about UFO's....interesting article. must be one of them there new smart flares...

..
https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/articles/news/should-airline-pilots-be-concerned-about-ufos.html

Don't get your hopes up about little green men from Mars flying UFOs in the Earth's atmosphere.  Little green men from Mars don't exist in the first place.  And there is no such thing as flying saucers either.

Bill Nye's explanation is the correct one.  Remember that Nye was an aeronautical engineer working for Boeing in his earlier life. 

Aircraft flying above 60,000 feet are all VFR and do not have to report to any air traffic control facility.  Such high flying aircraft will not be squawking anything that the air traffic control people can decipher.  However, they will be in constant contact with "home base", whatever and wherever that may be.  They will be using enciphered data links, satellites, etc., etc..

Douglass is a long time observer of what goes on visually and electronically in the skies of western Texas.  His photographs have frequently appeared in Aviation Week and revealed new designs including, a couple of years ago, what may be the new B-21 flying wing.

Aviation Week has also published pictures in the last few years of the unique contrails of an aircraft that is referred to as the "Pulser".  But the people who took those pictures did not see or hear the actual aircraft.  The term "pulse" refers to a pulse detonation engine.  Lockheed has publicly stated that they were working on such an engine that could be used from takeoff to the hypersonic flight regime.  If such an engine is successfully developed, and the project appears to be ongoing, then that would be a giant jump in high-speed engine technology.

Further to the above, the Navy has just released a new video of a UFO encounter that can be viewed on the CNN home page today.  This video is believable.  It shows a triangle-shaped aircraft that is maneuvering ahead of an F-18.  They are definitely not flying in formation so it is not a gremlin in any F-18 system.

The UFO appears to have at least low supersonic speed capability but definitely not hypersonic capability.  The video was described as being filmed off the east coast of the USA and over the Atlantic Ocean.

Fear not, it didn't come from Mars and wasn't being flown by little green men.  It gave every appearance of being designed, constructed, and operated (whether manned or un-manned) by Earthlings.

Who the UFO belongs to is open to question, but it apparently just got caught in the Navy's airspace which resulted in the video.

You have no idea who flew the tic tac or gimlin objects.  None!  There is no earthly explanation.  On another matter, do you guys have Tina booked yet?  If not, too bad.  But you have lots of time to get her a plane ticket.  It’s Tina or bust IMO.  Go get her!   She might be able to lure the old boy out if alive? Nobody else can.  And what does a guy that was 8 years old and found a bunch of his damaged loot have to add?  The proverbial squirrel 🐿 that found a 🥜.  Good luck
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on May 10, 2021, 03:37:15 PM
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Should airline pilots be concerned about UFO's....interesting article. must be one of them there new smart flares...

..
https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/articles/news/should-airline-pilots-be-concerned-about-ufos.html

Don't get your hopes up about little green men from Mars flying UFOs in the Earth's atmosphere.  Little green men from Mars don't exist in the first place.  And there is no such thing as flying saucers either.

Bill Nye's explanation is the correct one.  Remember that Nye was an aeronautical engineer working for Boeing in his earlier life. 

Aircraft flying above 60,000 feet are all VFR and do not have to report to any air traffic control facility.  Such high flying aircraft will not be squawking anything that the air traffic control people can decipher.  However, they will be in constant contact with "home base", whatever and wherever that may be.  They will be using enciphered data links, satellites, etc., etc..

Douglass is a long time observer of what goes on visually and electronically in the skies of western Texas.  His photographs have frequently appeared in Aviation Week and revealed new designs including, a couple of years ago, what may be the new B-21 flying wing.

Aviation Week has also published pictures in the last few years of the unique contrails of an aircraft that is referred to as the "Pulser".  But the people who took those pictures did not see or hear the actual aircraft.  The term "pulse" refers to a pulse detonation engine.  Lockheed has publicly stated that they were working on such an engine that could be used from takeoff to the hypersonic flight regime.  If such an engine is successfully developed, and the project appears to be ongoing, then that would be a giant jump in high-speed engine technology.

Further to the above, the Navy has just released a new video of a UFO encounter that can be viewed on the CNN home page today.  This video is believable.  It shows a triangle-shaped aircraft that is maneuvering ahead of an F-18.  They are definitely not flying in formation so it is not a gremlin in any F-18 system.

The UFO appears to have at least low supersonic speed capability but definitely not hypersonic capability.  The video was described as being filmed off the east coast of the USA and over the Atlantic Ocean.

Fear not, it didn't come from Mars and wasn't being flown by little green men.  It gave every appearance of being designed, constructed, and operated (whether manned or un-manned) by Earthlings.

Who the UFO belongs to is open to question, but it apparently just got caught in the Navy's airspace which resulted in the video.

You have no idea who flew the tic tac or gimlin objects.  None!  There is no earthly explanation.  On another matter, do you guys have Tina booked yet?  If not, too bad.  But you have lots of time to get her a plane ticket.  It’s Tina or bust IMO.  Go get her!   She might be able to lure the old boy out if alive? Nobody else can.  And what does a guy that was 8 years old and found a bunch of his damaged loot have to add?  The proverbial squirrel 🐿 that found a 🥜.  Good luck

Oh, my gawd!  Is there really a True UFO Believer on this site? :o
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 10, 2021, 06:22:31 PM
There's at least two, Robert99.

In fact, there may be more shortly. My alien abductee support group is based in Vancouver, WA and they went NUTS last week when I told them I had written a book on DB Cooper. Now they want me to come on down and talk to the group about Danny Boy!
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on May 10, 2021, 06:57:24 PM
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There's at least two, Robert99.

In fact, there may be more shortly. My alien abductee support group is based in Vancouver, WA and they went NUTS last week when I told them I had written a book on DB Cooper. Now they want me to come on down and talk to the group about Danny Boy!

Bruce, if you were abducted by aliens, what were they interested in?  And why did they release you?
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Chaucer on May 10, 2021, 08:15:43 PM
Maybe the reason you have never been abducted, Bob, is because the aliens don’t like you either.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 10, 2021, 11:34:10 PM
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There's at least two, Robert99.

In fact, there may be more shortly. My alien abductee support group is based in Vancouver, WA and they went NUTS last week when I told them I had written a book on DB Cooper. Now they want me to come on down and talk to the group about Danny Boy!

Bruce, if you were abducted by aliens, what were they interested in?  And why did they release you?

Ostensibly, the aliens known as "Grays" wanted to have sex with me for their hybridization program. Like most predators, when they were done with me they just threw me back in the pond.

But the bigger question is: Is any of this real? Sex with aliens? Hybridization? Etc.? Are the aliens themselves real? The short answer is: I don't know.

The longer answer involves the historical record of the Sumerians and all the theories that the History Channel presents in their Ancient Aliens series. There are a number of convincing moments in human history that suggest a dynamic intervention by ETs in human affairs, such as the evolution from Homo erectus to Home sapiens about 250,000 years ago, or the expansion of the frontal lobes about 50,000 years ago. My first paid gig as a freelance journalist was interviewing Zecharia Sitchin thirty years ago to discuss his work in his "Twelfth Planet" series that discusses all of the above dynamics. Zech clearly states that human evolution has been engineered by aliens.

To what purpose, though, is unclear. Sitchin says that initially a group of aliens known as the Nephalim wanted to transform erectus into smarter and tougher creatures so they could act as laborers and mine important minerals in Africa for the off-shoot ET group known as the Annunaki.

Currently, the emerging perspective is that ET interventions continue today, especially in the form of raising the consciousness in humans to a transformative state where telekinesis, telepathy, and teleportation are commonplace. A channeled entity by the name of Bashar says that he and his fellow ETs are preparing humanity to become Homo galacticus. This new degree of speciation will not only involve all the abovementioned "tele" stuff, but the ability to interact with interdimensional beings. As I understands Bashar, those humans who chose to go galactic will in about 100-300 years be able to double our life span, heal ourselves, live without sleep or food, and function as equal partners across the universe. In effect, we will become the New ETs.

I have posted much of my writings on alien abduction at the Mountain News, for those who are interested.

Lastly, the guy known as the "Alien Hunter," Derrel Sims, says that the folks who are being abducted by aliens are chosen because the abductees can "think outside the box." I think there is a high degree of truth to that perspective.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on May 11, 2021, 12:28:17 AM
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There's at least two, Robert99.

In fact, there may be more shortly. My alien abductee support group is based in Vancouver, WA and they went NUTS last week when I told them I had written a book on DB Cooper. Now they want me to come on down and talk to the group about Danny Boy!

Bruce, if you were abducted by aliens, what were they interested in?  And why did they release you?

Ostensibly, the aliens known as "Grays" wanted to have sex with me for their hybridization program. Like most predators, when they were done with me they just threw me back in the pond.

But the bigger question is: Is any of this real? Sex with aliens? Hybridization? Etc.? Are the aliens themselves real? The short answer is: I don't know.

The longer answer involves the historical record of the Sumerians and all the theories that the History Channel presents in their Ancient Aliens series. There are a number of convincing moments in human history that suggest a dynamic intervention by ETs in human affairs, such as the evolution from Homo erectus to Home sapiens about 250,000 years ago, or the expansion of the frontal lobes about 50,000 years ago. My first paid gig as a freelance journalist was interviewing Zecharia Sitchin thirty years ago to discuss his work in his "Twelfth Planet" series that discusses all of the above dynamics. Zech clearly states that human evolution has been engineered by aliens.

To what purpose, though, is unclear. Sitchin says that initially a group of aliens known as the Nephalim wanted to transform erectus into smarter and tougher creatures so they could act as laborers and mine important minerals in Africa for the off-shoot ET group known as the Annunaki.

Currently, the emerging perspective is that ET interventions continue today, especially in the form of raising the consciousness in humans to a transformative state where telekinesis, telepathy, and teleportation are commonplace. A channeled entity by the name of Bashar says that he and his fellow ETs are preparing humanity to become Homo galacticus. This new degree of speciation will not only involve all the abovementioned "tele" stuff, but the ability to interact with interdimensional beings. As I understands Bashar, those humans who chose to go galactic will in about 100-300 years be able to double our life span, heal ourselves, live without sleep or food, and function as equal partners across the universe. In effect, we will become the New ETs.

I have posted much of my writings on alien abduction at the Mountain News, for those who are interested.

Lastly, the guy known as the "Alien Hunter," Derrel Sims, says that the folks who are being abducted by aliens are chosen because the abductees can "think outside the box." I think there is a high degree of truth to that perspective.

Bruce, my takeaway from the first two paragraphs above is that you don't really know if you had sex with aliens or even if aliens are real.  I'm sure that Chaucer will come up with a convoluted explanation of how aliens exist and don't exist at the same time, facts be damned.

But in any event, I'm sure that Chaucer will want to attend all future meetings of your alien support group.  He should fit right in. 
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on May 11, 2021, 12:32:26 AM
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Maybe the reason you have never been abducted, Bob, is because the aliens don’t like you either.

Chaucer, that is really cold!  :(

Have you been fornicating with aliens just as Bruce may, or may not, have been doing?
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 11, 2021, 05:21:00 AM
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Bruce, my takeaway from the first two paragraphs above is that you don't really know if you had sex with aliens or even if aliens are real.  I'm sure that Chaucer will come up with a convoluted explanation of how aliens exist and don't exist at the same time...


Ah, the Schrodinger Paradox which states that an event or thing is both real and non-real until observed directly by a conscious being. (I am paraphrasing here.)

The act of observation thus collapses the superpositional nature of the alleged fornication.

Ironically, I am increasingly thinking that these kinds of conversations are exactly why the ETs are flying around in fancy tin cans and having encounters with humanity - eg: expanding our minds.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Chaucer on May 11, 2021, 09:04:14 AM
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Maybe the reason you have never been abducted, Bob, is because the aliens don’t like you either.

Chaucer, that is really cold!  :(

Have you been fornicating with aliens just as Bruce may, or may not, have been doing?
I’ve been married for almost 25 years, so there’s very little fornicating going on at all in my life.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Parrotheadvol on May 11, 2021, 06:31:23 PM
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As I understands Bashar, those humans who chose to go galactic will in about 100-300 years be able to double our life span, heal ourselves, live without sleep or food,

Count me out, I enjoy sleep and food too much...there's always beer though, I guess.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on May 11, 2021, 07:54:44 PM
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Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on May 11, 2021, 08:02:36 PM
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very little fornicating going on at all in my life.

How about "Californication"  :rofl:

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Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: DBfan57 on May 17, 2021, 04:13:55 PM
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Should airline pilots be concerned about UFO's....interesting article. must be one of them there new smart flares...

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https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/articles/news/should-airline-pilots-be-concerned-about-ufos.html

Don't get your hopes up about little green men from Mars flying UFOs in the Earth's atmosphere.  Little green men from Mars don't exist in the first place.  And there is no such thing as flying saucers either.

Bill Nye's explanation is the correct one.  Remember that Nye was an aeronautical engineer working for Boeing in his earlier life. 

Aircraft flying above 60,000 feet are all VFR and do not have to report to any air traffic control facility.  Such high flying aircraft will not be squawking anything that the air traffic control people can decipher.  However, they will be in constant contact with "home base", whatever and wherever that may be.  They will be using enciphered data links, satellites, etc., etc..

Douglass is a long time observer of what goes on visually and electronically in the skies of western Texas.  His photographs have frequently appeared in Aviation Week and revealed new designs including, a couple of years ago, what may be the new B-21 flying wing.

Aviation Week has also published pictures in the last few years of the unique contrails of an aircraft that is referred to as the "Pulser".  But the people who took those pictures did not see or hear the actual aircraft.  The term "pulse" refers to a pulse detonation engine.  Lockheed has publicly stated that they were working on such an engine that could be used from takeoff to the hypersonic flight regime.  If such an engine is successfully developed, and the project appears to be ongoing, then that would be a giant jump in high-speed engine technology.

Further to the above, the Navy has just released a new video of a UFO encounter that can be viewed on the CNN home page today.  This video is believable.  It shows a triangle-shaped aircraft that is maneuvering ahead of an F-18.  They are definitely not flying in formation so it is not a gremlin in any F-18 system.

The UFO appears to have at least low supersonic speed capability but definitely not hypersonic capability.  The video was described as being filmed off the east coast of the USA and over the Atlantic Ocean.

Fear not, it didn't come from Mars and wasn't being flown by little green men.  It gave every appearance of being designed, constructed, and operated (whether manned or un-manned) by Earthlings.

Who the UFO belongs to is open to question, but it apparently just got caught in the Navy's airspace which resulted in the video.

You have no idea who flew the tic tac or gimlin objects.  None!  There is no earthly explanation.  On another matter, do you guys have Tina booked yet?  If not, too bad.  But you have lots of time to get her a plane ticket.  It’s Tina or bust IMO.  Go get her!   She might be able to lure the old boy out if alive? Nobody else can.  And what does a guy that was 8 years old and found a bunch of his damaged loot have to add?  The proverbial squirrel 🐿 that found a 🥜.  Good luck

Oh, my gawd!  Is there really a True UFO Believer on this site? :o

I believe in God , Catholic and I also believe other life is out there in the universe.  It’s not wise to make fun and criticize people and pretend to have all the the answers!
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on May 17, 2021, 04:40:16 PM
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Should airline pilots be concerned about UFO's....interesting article. must be one of them there new smart flares...

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https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/articles/news/should-airline-pilots-be-concerned-about-ufos.html

Don't get your hopes up about little green men from Mars flying UFOs in the Earth's atmosphere.  Little green men from Mars don't exist in the first place.  And there is no such thing as flying saucers either.

Bill Nye's explanation is the correct one.  Remember that Nye was an aeronautical engineer working for Boeing in his earlier life. 

Aircraft flying above 60,000 feet are all VFR and do not have to report to any air traffic control facility.  Such high flying aircraft will not be squawking anything that the air traffic control people can decipher.  However, they will be in constant contact with "home base", whatever and wherever that may be.  They will be using enciphered data links, satellites, etc., etc..

Douglass is a long time observer of what goes on visually and electronically in the skies of western Texas.  His photographs have frequently appeared in Aviation Week and revealed new designs including, a couple of years ago, what may be the new B-21 flying wing.

Aviation Week has also published pictures in the last few years of the unique contrails of an aircraft that is referred to as the "Pulser".  But the people who took those pictures did not see or hear the actual aircraft.  The term "pulse" refers to a pulse detonation engine.  Lockheed has publicly stated that they were working on such an engine that could be used from takeoff to the hypersonic flight regime.  If such an engine is successfully developed, and the project appears to be ongoing, then that would be a giant jump in high-speed engine technology.

Further to the above, the Navy has just released a new video of a UFO encounter that can be viewed on the CNN home page today.  This video is believable.  It shows a triangle-shaped aircraft that is maneuvering ahead of an F-18.  They are definitely not flying in formation so it is not a gremlin in any F-18 system.

The UFO appears to have at least low supersonic speed capability but definitely not hypersonic capability.  The video was described as being filmed off the east coast of the USA and over the Atlantic Ocean.

Fear not, it didn't come from Mars and wasn't being flown by little green men.  It gave every appearance of being designed, constructed, and operated (whether manned or un-manned) by Earthlings.

Who the UFO belongs to is open to question, but it apparently just got caught in the Navy's airspace which resulted in the video.

You have no idea who flew the tic tac or gimlin objects.  None!  There is no earthly explanation.  On another matter, do you guys have Tina booked yet?  If not, too bad.  But you have lots of time to get her a plane ticket.  It’s Tina or bust IMO.  Go get her!   She might be able to lure the old boy out if alive? Nobody else can.  And what does a guy that was 8 years old and found a bunch of his damaged loot have to add?  The proverbial squirrel 🐿 that found a 🥜.  Good luck

Oh, my gawd!  Is there really a True UFO Believer on this site? :o

I believe in God , Catholic and I also believe other life is out there in the universe.  It’s not wise to make fun and criticize people and pretend to have all the the answers!

I have never claimed to have all the answers.  I also believe that there is other life somewhere out there in the universe.

But we are dealing with life here on Planet Earth and not life from somewhere beyond Pluto.  When in Rome do as the Romans do, likewise when close to Earth you are going to have to obey Earth physics.  With the recent interest in aerial phenomena, I can only say that some of what I have seen, and that has been credited to non-human sources, can easily be explained, some is impossible, and some is possible but I would like more details on the events.   
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 17, 2021, 05:26:25 PM
More details may be on the way, R99. I understand that the Pentagon is being required by the recently enacted Covid Stimulus package to provide an update to Congress by September on unexplained aerial phenomenon.

Many in the UFO community are skeptical that it will provide any information other than spin, but at least we'll see a bit further into how the gov't is perceiving this issue.

In the meantime, the YouTube channels researching the Tic-Tacs and other reports from Navy pilots are exploding! Especially the reports from pilots off the USS Teddy Roosevelt in the Atlantic. Daily encounters with UFO, or UAP as they are now officially called - "Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon."

Personally, I prefer "UFO." It's kind of like "DB Cooper" vs. "Dan Cooper."

Or Tina Bar vs. Tena Bar. I'm stickin' with Tina....
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Chaucer on May 17, 2021, 08:46:14 PM
Frankly, I HOPE these are extraterrestrial because based on what the Navy pilots are describing, if they are a foreign technology, then that means that Russia or China have lapped up two or three times in terms of military technology.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on May 17, 2021, 10:37:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVL6jv-h1W0&ab_channel=MSNBCMSNBCVerified
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: DBfan57 on May 18, 2021, 09:16:13 PM
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More details may be on the way, R99. I understand that the Pentagon is being required by the recently enacted Covid Stimulus package to provide an update to Congress by September on unexplained aerial phenomenon.

Many in the UFO community are skeptical that it will provide any information other than spin, but at least we'll see a bit further into how the gov't is perceiving this issue.

In the meantime, the YouTube channels researching the Tic-Tacs and other reports from Navy pilots are exploding! Especially the reports from pilots off the USS Teddy Roosevelt in the Atlantic. Daily encounters with UFO, or UAP as they are now officially called - "Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon."

Personally, I prefer "UFO." It's kind of like "DB Cooper" vs. "Dan Cooper."

Or Tina Bar vs. Tena Bar. I'm stickin' with Tina....
Boy you have the hots for Tina.  Keep working on getting her to the conference!!
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 18, 2021, 11:17:59 PM
Me, I'm not knocking on Tina's door any time soon. Rather, I perceive that Tina is more receptive to women. The folks who got her in front of a camera for the History Channel and the HBO docu were both women, as was the freelancer who penned the Rolling Stone article.

Vicki W. - wanna give it a try? Smokin'99? Lynn???
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: DBfan57 on May 19, 2021, 06:37:36 PM
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Me, I'm not knocking on Tina's door any time soon. Rather, I perceive that Tina is more receptive to women. The folks who got her in front of a camera for the History Channel and the HBO docu were both women, as was the freelancer who penned the Rolling Stone article.

Vicki W. - wanna give it a try? Smokin'99? Lynn???

It’s a great idea to have these women reach out to her Bruce.  I watched another doc today, and they had his age anywhere from 35-45.  If he looked older than he was who knows, very good chance he is still around.  The fact nothing has ever been found supports that a bit too. Tina or Flo are the two he would respond to.  I’d move Heaven and Earth to get them to try and persuade her.  And even Flo, even though I hear she has secluded herself from this.  Somewhere in S Carolina under a new name
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on May 22, 2021, 02:35:36 AM
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Should airline pilots be concerned about UFO's....interesting article. must be one of them there new smart flares...

..
https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/articles/news/should-airline-pilots-be-concerned-about-ufos.html

Don't get your hopes up about little green men from Mars flying UFOs in the Earth's atmosphere.  Little green men from Mars don't exist in the first place.  And there is no such thing as flying saucers either.

Bill Nye's explanation is the correct one.  Remember that Nye was an aeronautical engineer working for Boeing in his earlier life. 

Aircraft flying above 60,000 feet are all VFR and do not have to report to any air traffic control facility.  Such high flying aircraft will not be squawking anything that the air traffic control people can decipher.  However, they will be in constant contact with "home base", whatever and wherever that may be.  They will be using enciphered data links, satellites, etc., etc..

Douglass is a long time observer of what goes on visually and electronically in the skies of western Texas.  His photographs have frequently appeared in Aviation Week and revealed new designs including, a couple of years ago, what may be the new B-21 flying wing.

Aviation Week has also published pictures in the last few years of the unique contrails of an aircraft that is referred to as the "Pulser".  But the people who took those pictures did not see or hear the actual aircraft.  The term "pulse" refers to a pulse detonation engine.  Lockheed has publicly stated that they were working on such an engine that could be used from takeoff to the hypersonic flight regime.  If such an engine is successfully developed, and the project appears to be ongoing, then that would be a giant jump in high-speed engine technology.

Further to the above, the Navy has just released a new video of a UFO encounter that can be viewed on the CNN home page today.  This video is believable.  It shows a triangle-shaped aircraft that is maneuvering ahead of an F-18.  They are definitely not flying in formation so it is not a gremlin in any F-18 system.

The UFO appears to have at least low supersonic speed capability but definitely not hypersonic capability.  The video was described as being filmed off the east coast of the USA and over the Atlantic Ocean.

Fear not, it didn't come from Mars and wasn't being flown by little green men.  It gave every appearance of being designed, constructed, and operated (whether manned or un-manned) by Earthlings.

Who the UFO belongs to is open to question, but it apparently just got caught in the Navy's airspace which resulted in the video.

You have no idea who flew the tic tac or gimlin objects.  None!  There is no earthly explanation.  On another matter, do you guys have Tina booked yet?  If not, too bad.  But you have lots of time to get her a plane ticket.  It’s Tina or bust IMO.  Go get her!   She might be able to lure the old boy out if alive? Nobody else can.  And what does a guy that was 8 years old and found a bunch of his damaged loot have to add?  The proverbial squirrel 🐿 that found a 🥜.  Good luck

Oh, my gawd!  Is there really a True UFO Believer on this site? :o

I believe in God , Catholic and I also believe other life is out there in the universe.  It’s not wise to make fun and criticize people and pretend to have all the the answers!

I have never claimed to have all the answers.  I also believe that there is other life somewhere out there in the universe.

But we are dealing with life here on Planet Earth and not life from somewhere beyond Pluto.  When in Rome do as the Romans do, likewise when close to Earth you are going to have to obey Earth physics.  With the recent interest in aerial phenomena, I can only say that some of what I have seen, and that has been credited to non-human sources, can easily be explained, some is impossible, and some is possible but I would like more details on the events.   

Further to the above, an optics expert was interviewed on CNN this evening and he basically explained all the aerial phenomena that have been publicized recently.  And he explained that the delta-shaped object that looked like it was possibly an aircraft, which I discussed recently, as being produced by an optical device.  He demonstrated some of this on the program including an explanation of the so-called objects that magically disappeared into the sea.  Sorry to disappoint the UFO people.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: DBfan57 on May 23, 2021, 12:09:43 PM
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Should airline pilots be concerned about UFO's....interesting article. must be one of them there new smart flares...

You have not blown the UFO sightings out of the water like you may think you are doing fella.  They are still UFO's.  And no damn idea what they were. David Fraver has very much credibility. You have an agenda here. 
On another topic I highly recommend Missing 411:David Paulades.  A very smart cookie and a fabulous narrator and outdoorsman and he has suffered a recent tragedy that is very sad. But he does many missing cases in that region where Cooper was.  Lots of Oregon, Wash, and some very strange circumstances. 
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https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/articles/news/should-airline-pilots-be-concerned-about-ufos.html

Don't get your hopes up about little green men from Mars flying UFOs in the Earth's atmosphere.  Little green men from Mars don't exist in the first place.  And there is no such thing as flying saucers either.

Bill Nye's explanation is the correct one.  Remember that Nye was an aeronautical engineer working for Boeing in his earlier life. 

Aircraft flying above 60,000 feet are all VFR and do not have to report to any air traffic control facility.  Such high flying aircraft will not be squawking anything that the air traffic control people can decipher.  However, they will be in constant contact with "home base", whatever and wherever that may be.  They will be using enciphered data links, satellites, etc., etc..

Douglass is a long time observer of what goes on visually and electronically in the skies of western Texas.  His photographs have frequently appeared in Aviation Week and revealed new designs including, a couple of years ago, what may be the new B-21 flying wing.

Aviation Week has also published pictures in the last few years of the unique contrails of an aircraft that is referred to as the "Pulser".  But the people who took those pictures did not see or hear the actual aircraft.  The term "pulse" refers to a pulse detonation engine.  Lockheed has publicly stated that they were working on such an engine that could be used from takeoff to the hypersonic flight regime.  If such an engine is successfully developed, and the project appears to be ongoing, then that would be a giant jump in high-speed engine technology.

Further to the above, the Navy has just released a new video of a UFO encounter that can be viewed on the CNN home page today.  This video is believable.  It shows a triangle-shaped aircraft that is maneuvering ahead of an F-18.  They are definitely not flying in formation so it is not a gremlin in any F-18 system.

The UFO appears to have at least low supersonic speed capability but definitely not hypersonic capability.  The video was described as being filmed off the east coast of the USA and over the Atlantic Ocean.

Fear not, it didn't come from Mars and wasn't being flown by little green men.  It gave every appearance of being designed, constructed, and operated (whether manned or un-manned) by Earthlings.

Who the UFO belongs to is open to question, but it apparently just got caught in the Navy's airspace which resulted in the video.

You have no idea who flew the tic tac or gimlin objects.  None!  There is no earthly explanation.  On another matter, do you guys have Tina booked yet?  If not, too bad.  But you have lots of time to get her a plane ticket.  It’s Tina or bust IMO.  Go get her!   She might be able to lure the old boy out if alive? Nobody else can.  And what does a guy that was 8 years old and found a bunch of his damaged loot have to add?  The proverbial squirrel 🐿 that found a 🥜.  Good luck

Oh, my gawd!  Is there really a True UFO Believer on this site? :o

I believe in God , Catholic and I also believe other life is out there in the universe.  It’s not wise to make fun and criticize people and pretend to have all the the answers!

I have never claimed to have all the answers.  I also believe that there is other life somewhere out there in the universe.

But we are dealing with life here on Planet Earth and not life from somewhere beyond Pluto.  When in Rome do as the Romans do, likewise when close to Earth you are going to have to obey Earth physics.  With the recent interest in aerial phenomena, I can only say that some of what I have seen, and that has been credited to non-human sources, can easily be explained, some is impossible, and some is possible but I would like more details on the events.   

Further to the above, an optics expert was interviewed on CNN this evening and he basically explained all the aerial phenomena that have been publicized recently.  And he explained that the delta-shaped object that looked like it was possibly an aircraft, which I discussed recently, as being produced by an optical device.  He demonstrated some of this on the program including an explanation of the so-called objects that magically disappeared into the sea.  Sorry to disappoint the UFO people.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: DBfan57 on May 28, 2021, 05:07:52 AM
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Maybe the reason you have never been abducted, Bob, is because the aliens don’t like you either.

Chaucer, that is really cold!  :(

Have you been fornicating with aliens just as Bruce may, or may not, have been doing?
I’ve been married for almost 25 years, so there’s very little fornicating going on at all in my life.

I respect you for your blunt honesty.  Hard to find guys like you these days.  As for Tina Mucklow, I still think she must want to know what happened to the old boy?  She is the only one he would likely be interested in talking to at this stage of the game.  If he is alive. I worry more about him quitting the smokes than him surviving the jump.  He survived the jump.  Gauranteed
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 28, 2021, 05:28:19 AM
An Ethical Dilemma

If you have sex while in a dream state, such as a lucid dream, is it still sex? If you have sex with aliens while married to a human being, is that really cheating?

Just asking...
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Parrotheadvol on May 28, 2021, 10:33:58 AM
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An Ethical Dilemma

If you have sex while in a dream state, such as a lucid dream, is it still sex? If you have sex with aliens while married to a human being, is that really cheating?

Just asking...

1. Unfortunately, no.
2. Sex is sex, so yes.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 28, 2021, 05:05:40 PM
Good to know, Parrot. Always helps to have an expanded perspective on intergalactic sexual activity....

BTW: How you feeling? Still dragging?
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Parrotheadvol on May 29, 2021, 01:02:06 AM
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Good to know, Parrot. Always helps to have an expanded perspective on intergalactic sexual activity....

BTW: How you feeling? Still dragging?

Still have the episodes of shortness of breath, but they seem to be a little less frequent the last few days. Other than that, I'm doing well. Thanks for asking!
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: DBfan57 on May 30, 2021, 09:15:31 AM
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Should airline pilots be concerned about UFO's....interesting article. must be one of them there new smart flares...

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https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/articles/news/should-airline-pilots-be-concerned-about-ufos.html

Don't get your hopes up about little green men from Mars flying UFOs in the Earth's atmosphere.  Little green men from Mars don't exist in the first place.  And there is no such thing as flying saucers either.

Bill Nye's explanation is the correct one.  Remember that Nye was an aeronautical engineer working for Boeing in his earlier life. 

Aircraft flying above 60,000 feet are all VFR and do not have to report to any air traffic control facility.  Such high flying aircraft will not be squawking anything that the air traffic control people can decipher.  However, they will be in constant contact with "home base", whatever and wherever that may be.  They will be using enciphered data links, satellites, etc., etc..

Douglass is a long time observer of what goes on visually and electronically in the skies of western Texas.  His photographs have frequently appeared in Aviation Week and revealed new designs including, a couple of years ago, what may be the new B-21 flying wing.

Aviation Week has also published pictures in the last few years of the unique contrails of an aircraft that is referred to as the "Pulser".  But the people who took those pictures did not see or hear the actual aircraft.  The term "pulse" refers to a pulse detonation engine.  Lockheed has publicly stated that they were working on such an engine that could be used from takeoff to the hypersonic flight regime.  If such an engine is successfully developed, and the project appears to be ongoing, then that would be a giant jump in high-speed engine technology.

Further to the above, the Navy has just released a new video of a UFO encounter that can be viewed on the CNN home page today.  This video is believable.  It shows a triangle-shaped aircraft that is maneuvering ahead of an F-18.  They are definitely not flying in formation so it is not a gremlin in any F-18 system.

The UFO appears to have at least low supersonic speed capability but definitely not hypersonic capability.  The video was described as being filmed off the east coast of the USA and over the Atlantic Ocean.

Fear not, it didn't come from Mars and wasn't being flown by little green men.  It gave every appearance of being designed, constructed, and operated (whether manned or un-manned) by Earthlings.

Who the UFO belongs to is open to question, but it apparently just got caught in the Navy's airspace which resulted in the video.

You have no idea who flew the tic tac or gimlin objects.  None!  There is no earthly explanation.  On another matter, do you guys have Tina booked yet?  If not, too bad.  But you have lots of time to get her a plane ticket.  It’s Tina or bust IMO.  Go get her!   She might be able to lure the old boy out if alive? Nobody else can.  And what does a guy that was 8 years old and found a bunch of his damaged loot have to add?  The proverbial squirrel 🐿 that found a 🥜.  Good luck

Oh, my gawd!  Is there really a True UFO Believer on this site? :o

I believe in God , Catholic and I also believe other life is out there in the universe.  It’s not wise to make fun and criticize people and pretend to have all the the answers!

I have never claimed to have all the answers.  I also believe that there is other life somewhere out there in the universe.

But we are dealing with life here on Planet Earth and not life from somewhere beyond Pluto.  When in Rome do as the Romans do, likewise when close to Earth you are going to have to obey Earth physics.  With the recent interest in aerial phenomena, I can only say that some of what I have seen, and that has been credited to non-human sources, can easily be explained, some is impossible, and some is possible but I would like more details on the events.   

Further to the above, an optics expert was interviewed on CNN this evening and he basically explained all the aerial phenomena that have been publicized recently.  And he explained that the delta-shaped object that looked like it was possibly an aircraft, which I discussed recently, as being produced by an optical device.  He demonstrated some of this on the program including an explanation of the so-called objects that magically disappeared into the sea.  Sorry to disappoint the UFO people.

Now we have the 2019 event with the USS Omaha being surrounded by UFO's and on radar.  They go into the ocean, come back up, and they have no damn idea.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Robert99 on May 30, 2021, 01:03:49 PM
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Further to the above, an optics expert was interviewed on CNN this evening and he basically explained all the aerial phenomena that have been publicized recently.  And he explained that the delta-shaped object that looked like it was possibly an aircraft, which I discussed recently, as being produced by an optical device.  He demonstrated some of this on the program including an explanation of the so-called objects that magically disappeared into the sea.  Sorry to disappoint the UFO people.

Now we have the 2019 event with the USS Omaha being surrounded by UFO's and on radar.  They go into the ocean, come back up, and they have no damn idea.
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Did these objects make splashes when they entered and exited the ocean water?  Did anyone see them visually with their very own eyeballs?
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on May 30, 2021, 01:38:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPrYVmYkL5w&t=3s
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Parrotheadvol on May 31, 2021, 10:56:14 PM
Interesting stuff. I've always been a skeptic when it comes to things like aliens, bigfoot, etc, and will remain a skeptic. But, who knows, I could be wrong...

Maybe, if they are aliens, and have been watching us for a while, perhaps they were watching on November 24, 1971. Hmmm......
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on June 01, 2021, 03:37:43 AM
..and maybe that's how DBC got away.....
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: DBfan57 on June 01, 2021, 08:46:45 AM
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..and maybe that's how DBC got away.....

So the aliens scooped him up during his descent!  Present that at the conference, I dare ya!😀
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on June 01, 2021, 04:59:51 PM
DB-57, I spoke mainly in jest, but this conversation does point to where we are going as a society. These days everyone is talking about UFOs, or UAPs to use the politically-correct term emanating from the Pentagon. I sense that most folks, mainstream media, Repubs and Dems, are now accepting UFOs as real.

That begs the question, who's flying the crafts? I think that will be our next great challenge as a society - dealing with the reality of ETs. How will they interact with us? Will they mingle? With whom and why? How extensive will the contacts be?

After that, we'll have to deal with the realities they bring to the table - the technologies, the consciousness, the purposes for existence that they are engaging - and what it all means to us.

For instance, if they bring hyper-dimensional travel to us, who is gonna take a ride? Some humans will jump at the chance, but most I figure will say, "No, thanks."

The same might exist for time travel. Will those folks want to re-write history, or change it? Will we need a History Police to keep things stable throughout time?

Thus, there may be many pressures upon the DB Cooper story. The Vortex is about to go Galactic! Darren, you listening?
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: georger on June 01, 2021, 11:29:35 PM
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DB-57, I spoke mainly in jest, but this conversation does point to where we are going as a society. These days everyone is talking about UFOs, or UAPs to use the politically-correct term emanating from the Pentagon. I sense that most folks, mainstream media, Repubs and Dems, are now accepting UFOs as real.

That begs the question, who's flying the crafts? I think that will be our next great challenge as a society - dealing with the reality of ETs. How will they interact with us? Will they mingle? With whom and why? How extensive will the contacts be?

After that, we'll have to deal with the realities they bring to the table - the technologies, the consciousness, the purposes for existence that they are engaging - and what it all means to us.

For instance, if they bring hyper-dimensional travel to us, who is gonna take a ride? Some humans will jump at the chance, but most I figure will say, "No, thanks."

The same might exist for time travel. Will those folks want to re-write history, or change it? Will we need a History Police to keep things stable throughout time?

Thus, there may be many pressures upon the DB Cooper story. The Vortex is about to go Galactic! Darren, you listening?

Assyrian ufo's. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/458382068303854047/

Anunnaki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anunnaki

Smulhelians spotted on Mars. https://www.cnet.com/news/ufo-fanatics-spot-ancient-god-on-mars/
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on June 02, 2021, 04:19:08 AM
My first professional journalism assignment was to interview Zecharia Sitchin and discuss his many books, especially The 12th Planet. His Earth Chronicle series explores the Sumerian texts which reveal that ETs, known as the Nephalim - from the planet Nebiru - sent their astronaut explorers, called The Annunaki, to Earth to do two things. One, mine gold. Secondly, transform the indigenous population of hominids into Homo sapiens so they could do all the heavy lifting.

That kind of genetic intervention in the development of modern humans continues to this day, and along the way included major interventions such as the installation of expanded frontal lobes so that we would have executive decision-making capabilities, along with advanced speech and communication capabilities. That occurred about 50,000 years ago.

Was ol' Zech legit? I don't know, but his reputation and statements are worth investigating. However, the History Channel is buying it lock, stock, and barrel. Their series on ETs, The Ancient Aliens series is in its 14th Season, I believe, with about 24 episodes in each season, so there is a LOT of data on this angle of human evolution.

Of note: since CC21 is attempting to merge the DBC story with UFOs and Big Foot, this might be the time and place to mention that Bashar said recently that Big Foot is a naturally developed hominid, and did not receive any ET tampering. Hence, Big Foot views humans as "alien." Interesting, eh?
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Unsurelock on June 05, 2021, 11:41:08 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPrYVmYkL5w&t=3s

Notice it's just our navy. Are any of the tens of thousands of passenger planes, fishing ships, etc reporting this? No - they all have better camera equipment and no budget to maintain with bullshit stories of emergency spending needed.

Notice the "UFO" disappears under the water at 1:17, then pokes itself back up for a split second before "submerging" again. This is sensor manipulation. There's no object there. Somehow the navy manages to keep all of these objects right in their crosshairs, regardless of how "unbelievably fast" they're moving. Triangles that flash on foggy nights, very similar to the pattern you'd see on a jet wing. All bullshit. Enjoy the R&D increase, Admirals.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on June 06, 2021, 03:49:35 AM
So cynical, Surelock. Remember, those who doubt the alien presence have to dismiss every single UFO report. Just one makes it real. That's quite a burden.

For those of us who are really cynical, we wonder what the gov't's agenda is at this time to release these tic-tac videos, etc. Can't deny the obvious anymore? Steer the public's attention away from something else? Establish the official narrative about "the aliens are here and this is what we need to do about them..." ?
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: georger on June 06, 2021, 04:55:37 AM
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So cynical, Surelock. Remember, those who doubt the alien presence have to dismiss every single UFO report. Just one makes it real. That's quite a burden.

For those of us who are really cynical, we wonder what the gov't's agenda is at this time to release these tic-tac videos, etc. Can't deny the obvious anymore? Steer the public's attention away from something else? Establish the official narrative about "the aliens are here and this is what we need to do about them..." ?

So self indulgent, Smith.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on June 09, 2021, 07:07:46 PM
Commander David Fravor speaks about the UFO's on the Joe Rogan podcast. listening to him makes it hard to try and debunk what they are seeing. it's not just on radar. I find it interesting..can it be explained, possibly.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V285FBT9cAI
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: Shutter on June 09, 2021, 09:54:33 PM
Continued..

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzOolqIYnxw
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: EU on June 13, 2021, 03:28:10 PM
We're a little over five months out from CC21 which begins November 20th in Vancouver, WA. Personally I'm getting stoked. I know we're going to have a great event with a sellout crowd of around 400-500 over the two days, not to mention the socials which will be free to attend.

The other cool thing is that DB Cooper will be very prominent over the next six months as we approach the 50th anniversary. I am personally aware of two major productions related to the case that will definitely boost interest--not to mention the Loki publicity right now and the re-airing of 'The Final Hunt' and 'Case Closed' and other DBC programs that are likely to occur come November 24th. Additionally, the media attention, both nationally and internationally will be pronounced.

Hold on. The DB Cooper world is about to get seriously fun.
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: DBfan57 on June 13, 2021, 08:58:30 PM
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DB-57, I spoke mainly in jest, but this conversation does point to where we are going as a society. These days everyone is talking about UFOs, or UAPs to use the politically-correct term emanating from the Pentagon. I sense that most folks, mainstream media, Repubs and Dems, are now accepting UFOs as real.

That begs the question, who's flying the crafts? I think that will be our next great challenge as a society - dealing with the reality of ETs. How will they interact with us? Will they mingle? With whom and why? How extensive will the contacts be?

After that, we'll have to deal with the realities they bring to the table - the technologies, the consciousness, the purposes for existence that they are engaging - and what it all means to us.

For instance, if they bring hyper-dimensional travel to us, who is gonna take a ride? Some humans will jump at the chance, but most I figure will say, "No, thanks."

The same might exist for time travel. Will those folks want to re-write history, or change it? Will we need a History Police to keep things stable throughout time?

Thus, there may be many pressures upon the DB Cooper story. The Vortex is about to go Galactic! Darren, you listening?
First we would have to hope they are not hostile.  If they are friendly, who knows the advances they may have?  They could cure cancer at the snap of your fingers?
Title: Re: CooperCon 2021
Post by: georger on June 13, 2021, 11:35:22 PM
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DB-57, I spoke mainly in jest, but this conversation does point to where we are going as a society. These days everyone is talking about UFOs, or UAPs to use the politically-correct term emanating from the Pentagon. I sense that most folks, mainstream media, Repubs and Dems, are now accepting UFOs as real.

That begs the question, who's flying the crafts? I think that will be our next great challenge as a society - dealing with the reality of ETs. How will they interact with us? Will they mingle? With whom and why? How extensive will the contacts be?

After that, we'll have to deal with the realities they bring to the table - the technologies, the consciousness, the purposes for existence that they are engaging - and what it all means to us.

For instance, if they bring hyper-dimensional travel to us, who is gonna take a ride? Some humans will jump at the chance, but most I figure will say, "No, thanks."

The same might exist for time travel. Will those folks want to re-write history, or change it? Will we need a History Police to keep things stable throughout time?

Thus, there may be many pressures upon the DB Cooper story. The Vortex is about to go Galactic! Darren, you listening?
First we would have to hope they are not hostile.  If they are friendly, who knows the advances they may have?  They could cure cancer at the snap of your fingers?

So you think you know the course of evolutionary biology? Intelligence ? I didnt know silicon got cancer - thanks for the update!   :nono: :rofl: