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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7860 on: June 21, 2022, 09:46:47 AM »
As I said on another forum this weekend, McCoy is the most obvious suspect. If he were Cooper, the case would have been solved and long forgotten decades ago.
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7861 on: June 21, 2022, 12:36:31 PM »
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As I said on another forum this weekend, McCoy is the most obvious suspect. If he were Cooper, the case would have been solved and long forgotten decades ago.
I am not going to rule McCoy out based on the recollection of a 21 yr old passenger who had the hots for Flo.  He said he had a Turkey neck.  OK.  thats the only thing you have to eliminate McCoy?  And the fact that he left a fingerprint?  So many times criminals, bank robbers who have gotten away with it sometimes even many times, eventually get sloppy.  Why is it not possible the real DB Cooper could have gotten overconfident and gotten just a little sloppy?   Im not saying it was McCoy for sure. But if I had a gun held to my head and had to tell someone who I thought the real Cooper was, McCoy is my only answer.  Buts its like 80% if I had to put a number on it.  If its McCoy or not, this may now be unsolvable.  Unless something big happens.  Like someone finds some of the money  somewhere.  But dont you think it would have happened by now?  UNLESS, he is still alive.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7862 on: June 21, 2022, 12:46:07 PM »
Every witness said it wasn't McCoy.

Flo, Tina, Alice, Mitchell

Every. Single. One.

During his hijacking, McCoy attempted to disguise himself, but every witness was later able to ID him.

That alone is a huge hurdle, and that's ignoring the detailed and thorough investigation of McCoy that cleared him of the Cooper hijacking.
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7863 on: June 21, 2022, 01:38:14 PM »
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Every witness said it wasn't McCoy.

Flo, Tina, Alice, Mitchell

Every. Single. One.

During his hijacking, McCoy attempted to disguise himself, but every witness was later able to ID him.

That alone is a huge hurdle, and that's ignoring the detailed and thorough investigation of McCoy that cleared him of the Cooper hijacking.

^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

I'm always amazed at the ease in which people dismiss the word of those who actually laid eyes on the man himself.
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7864 on: June 21, 2022, 06:28:00 PM »
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And the fact that he left a fingerprint?

Was there a McCoy fingerprint on 305 that no one else is aware of?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7865 on: June 22, 2022, 12:23:29 PM »
Can someone clarify or explain the boarding pass to me with the "Dan Cooper" name on it ?  Did the hijacker actually touch this pass ?  Is this what the ticket agent handed to him and then he handed it to the boarding agent as he walked onto the plane ? 

Seems like most people agree that the ticket agent signed the name, I was just skimming through the Tom Colbert site and his team seems to imply that they believe the hijacker may have signed it.  (they did some comparison to one of the letters that came in shortly after the hijacking and said the writing was a match or similar)

Thanks !
 

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« Reply #7866 on: June 22, 2022, 01:18:31 PM »
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Can someone clarify or explain the boarding pass to me with the "Dan Cooper" name on it ?  Did the hijacker actually touch this pass ?  Is this what the ticket agent handed to him and then he handed it to the boarding agent as he walked onto the plane ? 

Seems like most people agree that the ticket agent signed the name, I was just skimming through the Tom Colbert site and his team seems to imply that they believe the hijacker may have signed it.  (they did some comparison to one of the letters that came in shortly after the hijacking and said the writing was a match or similar)

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JAG: Here is my two cents.  The ticket agent wrote out the ticket, and then gave a carbon copy to Cooper.  When we talked to Bill Mitchell at CooperCon, he showed us his ticket, and as I remember he told us that he did not write anything on it.  I believe his ticket was given to him at a different time than Cooper's.  His was actually cheaper as I remember (maybe because he was a student or because he bought it last minute, not sure).  I swear I heard Larry Carr mention that Cooper wrote his name on the ticket, but that has been generally disagreed with.  Others can comment more on that.  Bill Mitchell still had his ticket, so that tells me Cooper would have kept part of his too, and maybe that is in some attic somewhere.

I suspect that Cooper did not write his name on that ticket.  The Rackstraw team makes a lot of claims and has very loose interpretation on many things in order to put a 28 year old man in the shoes of a 45 year old man.



 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7867 on: June 22, 2022, 04:31:12 PM »
I have a PDF somewhere from WSHS, I believe. it's an interview with a ticket agent that worked for NW but not that evening. he states they write the tickets out and give the copy to the customers. that's why he said "Cooper, Dan Cooper" the agent asked for his name to put on the ticket...
 

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« Reply #7868 on: June 22, 2022, 04:35:09 PM »
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Can someone clarify or explain the boarding pass to me with the "Dan Cooper" name on it ?  Did the hijacker actually touch this pass ?  Is this what the ticket agent handed to him and then he handed it to the boarding agent as he walked onto the plane ? 

Seems like most people agree that the ticket agent signed the name, I was just skimming through the Tom Colbert site and his team seems to imply that they believe the hijacker may have signed it.  (they did some comparison to one of the letters that came in shortly after the hijacking and said the writing was a match or similar)

Thanks !

JAG: Here is my two cents.  The ticket agent wrote out the ticket, and then gave a carbon copy to Cooper.  When we talked to Bill Mitchell at CooperCon, he showed us his ticket, and as I remember he told us that he did not write anything on it.  I believe his ticket was given to him at a different time than Cooper's.  His was actually cheaper as I remember (maybe because he was a student or because he bought it last minute, not sure).  I swear I heard Larry Carr mention that Cooper wrote his name on the ticket, but that has been generally disagreed with.  Others can comment more on that.  Bill Mitchell still had his ticket, so that tells me Cooper would have kept part of his too, and maybe that is in some attic somewhere.

I suspect that Cooper did not write his name on that ticket.  The Rackstraw team makes a lot of claims and has very loose interpretation on many things in order to put a 28 year old man in the shoes of a 45 year old man.

In the 1971 time frame, the ticket agent would do all the writing on the ticket, which would be a multipart document (probably three-part in this case), and then placed it into a folder or sleeve on which he would write the gate number.  The ticket agent would keep one copy of the ticket and give the remainder to Cooper.  The gate agent would take out one copy of the ticket and return the remainder to Cooper.  So Cooper had at least one copy of the ticket and the folder or sleeve containing it when he boarded the airliner and during the hijacking.  It is unlikely that he touched the ticket itself prior to boarding the airliner. 
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7869 on: June 22, 2022, 09:19:32 PM »
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Can someone clarify or explain the boarding pass to me with the "Dan Cooper" name on it ?  Did the hijacker actually touch this pass ?  Is this what the ticket agent handed to him and then he handed it to the boarding agent as he walked onto the plane ? 

Seems like most people agree that the ticket agent signed the name, I was just skimming through the Tom Colbert site and his team seems to imply that they believe the hijacker may have signed it.  (they did some comparison to one of the letters that came in shortly after the hijacking and said the writing was a match or similar)

Thanks !

JAG: Here is my two cents.  The ticket agent wrote out the ticket, and then gave a carbon copy to Cooper.  When we talked to Bill Mitchell at CooperCon, he showed us his ticket, and as I remember he told us that he did not write anything on it.  I believe his ticket was given to him at a different time than Cooper's.  His was actually cheaper as I remember (maybe because he was a student or because he bought it last minute, not sure).  I swear I heard Larry Carr mention that Cooper wrote his name on the ticket, but that has been generally disagreed with.  Others can comment more on that.  Bill Mitchell still had his ticket, so that tells me Cooper would have kept part of his too, and maybe that is in some attic somewhere.

I suspect that Cooper did not write his name on that ticket.  The Rackstraw team makes a lot of claims and has very loose interpretation on many things in order to put a 28 year old man in the shoes of a 45 year old man.

In the 1971 time frame, the ticket agent would do all the writing on the ticket, which would be a multipart document (probably three-part in this case), and then placed it into a folder or sleeve on which he would write the gate number.  The ticket agent would keep one copy of the ticket and give the remainder to Cooper.  The gate agent would take out one copy of the ticket and return the remainder to Cooper.  So Cooper had at least one copy of the ticket and the folder or sleeve containing it when he boarded the airliner and during the hijacking.  It is unlikely that he touched the ticket itself prior to boarding the airliner.

Thanks R99 and fcastle, so the one in evidence is the one that the ticket agent kept I presume ?  What happened to the second copy that the gate agent would have kept ?  Stating the obvious, they must have checked the one in evidence for fingerprints and came up empty right ?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7870 on: June 22, 2022, 09:37:54 PM »
Thanks for the responses over on DZ also :-)
 

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« Reply #7871 on: June 23, 2022, 12:52:11 AM »
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Can someone clarify or explain the boarding pass to me with the "Dan Cooper" name on it ?  Did the hijacker actually touch this pass ?  Is this what the ticket agent handed to him and then he handed it to the boarding agent as he walked onto the plane ? 

Seems like most people agree that the ticket agent signed the name, I was just skimming through the Tom Colbert site and his team seems to imply that they believe the hijacker may have signed it.  (they did some comparison to one of the letters that came in shortly after the hijacking and said the writing was a match or similar)

Thanks !

JAG: Here is my two cents.  The ticket agent wrote out the ticket, and then gave a carbon copy to Cooper.  When we talked to Bill Mitchell at CooperCon, he showed us his ticket, and as I remember he told us that he did not write anything on it.  I believe his ticket was given to him at a different time than Cooper's.  His was actually cheaper as I remember (maybe because he was a student or because he bought it last minute, not sure).  I swear I heard Larry Carr mention that Cooper wrote his name on the ticket, but that has been generally disagreed with.  Others can comment more on that.  Bill Mitchell still had his ticket, so that tells me Cooper would have kept part of his too, and maybe that is in some attic somewhere.

I suspect that Cooper did not write his name on that ticket.  The Rackstraw team makes a lot of claims and has very loose interpretation on many things in order to put a 28 year old man in the shoes of a 45 year old man.

In the 1971 time frame, the ticket agent would do all the writing on the ticket, which would be a multipart document (probably three-part in this case), and then placed it into a folder or sleeve on which he would write the gate number.  The ticket agent would keep one copy of the ticket and give the remainder to Cooper.  The gate agent would take out one copy of the ticket and return the remainder to Cooper.  So Cooper had at least one copy of the ticket and the folder or sleeve containing it when he boarded the airliner and during the hijacking.  It is unlikely that he touched the ticket itself prior to boarding the airliner.

Thanks R99 and fcastle, so the one in evidence is the one that the ticket agent kept I presume ?  What happened to the second copy that the gate agent would have kept ?  Stating the obvious, they must have checked the one in evidence for fingerprints and came up empty right ?

The Cooper ticket copy in evidence appears to be the one that the gate agent kept.  The gate agent appears to be the one that also put the "used" stamp on the ticket.  Note that Mitchell's ticket copy also has a "used" stamp on the ticket jacket.  Presumably, the Cooper ticket jacket would also have the "used" stamp.

The top copy of the ticket booklet (the one on which the ticket agent wrote) probably went to the airline's accounting office.

In 1971, the airline industry used standard ticket forms.  But around 1980 the Carter administration screwed the airline industry by deregulating it.  After that, no airline had a monopoly on any route and any upstart airline could fly on the most profitable routes.  This resulted in airline service being curtailed on the less profitable routes.  Consequently, the airlines started issuing tickets that were only good on their airline and not transferable to any other airline.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7872 on: June 23, 2022, 12:11:10 PM »
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Every witness said it wasn't McCoy.

Flo, Tina, Alice, Mitchell

Every. Single. One.

During his hijacking, McCoy attempted to disguise himself, but every witness was later able to ID him.

That alone is a huge hurdle, and that's ignoring the detailed and thorough investigation of McCoy that cleared him of the Cooper hijacking.
Yet their composite drawing looked like McCoy.  And the FBI office in Reno made tons of mistakes.  Did not collect many items that could have been used for prints. FBI agent McCallum is a pretty smart cookie.  He is very convinced it was McCoy.  And one agent said that McCoy said something at his trial only  the real Cooper could have known, about the money  being lost.  The money lost was not found until years later. McCoy had the smarts to pull it off, was tough enough to pull it off regardless of being dressed wrong.  Former green beret.  Flo Shaffner is a horrible witness.  She has proven that. He was likely disguised before he got on the plane. How could they know?  And what about his relatives saying the tie and clip were Richards?  Just as damning as your stewardess testimony is non damning.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7873 on: June 23, 2022, 12:33:12 PM »
I have my own claim to fame about this case.  I stayed at the same hotel as Dan Cooper, or at least Richard Floyd McCoy.  The Tropicana.  I still believe it was McCoy the more that I follow this.  Of course I am not at 100%.  Are any of you at 100% on a suspect?  I know you are 100 that it was not Richard.  You do not have to tell me that again.
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« Reply #7874 on: June 23, 2022, 07:54:40 PM »
The main problem I see with the known suspects is they have been on television, newspapers, websites, all over the place for witnesses to see them. not one has come forward to say it's him or really close.

I believe once they actually see a photo of Cooper it would trigger the memory. I remember seeing my old middle school year book I found on classmates.com..I had memory of a lot of them but it came flooding back once I seen there photo's again. you can forget a lot of details until it is presented right in front of you. a lot were already shot down in the first year after the crime by the crew.

Blevins loves to play the memory game to keep his suspect alive on the internet. I'm sure all three of the stews have come across something related to Kenny. Tina shot down Rackstraw and it appears to mean nothing?

I don't believe Cooper has surfaced in any of the suspects...
 
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