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Down to a depth of 3 feet? Wow…how would a shard end up buried 3 feet in the sand? It’s one thing for a whole packet, but a shard??

all that land could have been modified by water/wind/bulldozer action.

Like I said before, the total sum of information, is so imprecise, that people with super-precise theories, seem to be ignoring the likelihood of lots of other random things happening.

I have been a proponent of this concept from the beginning. I call it “entropy” but R99 gets upset when I do. LOL

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Question on the money for anyone.  We know that packets/bundles etc. were found, totaling around $5800.  We believe that all those bills had serial numbers.  Current research says maybe it was less than $5800? Maybe more?  Maybe some of the serial numbers are wrong.  My question is this: Weren't there shards found (quite a bit)? Were these tied to the bills that were found, or are they totally separate?  If they are separate, then more money was lost/buried/went through the dredge etc.  If so, how much?

The "extra" money, meaning those bills that created the shards, is undetermined. Nevertheless, there is some data that gives an educated opinion on the total number of bills deposited at T-Bar. Dorwin told me that he and his team found dozens, if not hundreds, of shards of at least 1-inch in diameter for a radius of 20 feet from the Ingram find, and down to a depth of three feet. Plus, we have seen the KATU videos of about six shards of at least 2-3 inches being placed in Plasticine evidence envelopes, which are all now missing.

I have heard numerous discussions that estimate these shards were generated from another $400 worth of bills - basically another 20 twenties. That makes the grand total of T-Bar money to be about $6,200. That's the figure I use in my book.

so any money theory needs to account for shards being created, of 1 inch diameter, and displaced 20 feet from where the bundles were found.

Sounds consistent with what  a dredge might do (coupled with bulldozer).

Yet people want to say dredge is impossible. ?

I go to dredging operations for my job from time to time. I've had conversations with dredge operators about this. One guy told me that I "would be surprised at some of the things that make it through a dredge". When I asked about Cooper money specifically, the answer has always been that yes, it could have made it through the dredge intact. It shouldn't, but it could. So no, it certainly isn't impossible, at least not from that perspective. Where the money was found in relation to the dredge spoils however, could eliminate the possibility I guess??

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Question on the money for anyone.  We know that packets/bundles etc. were found, totaling around $5800.  We believe that all those bills had serial numbers.  Current research says maybe it was less than $5800? Maybe more?  Maybe some of the serial numbers are wrong.  My question is this: Weren't there shards found (quite a bit)? Were these tied to the bills that were found, or are they totally separate?  If they are separate, then more money was lost/buried/went through the dredge etc.  If so, how much?

The "extra" money, meaning those bills that created the shards, is undetermined. Nevertheless, there is some data that gives an educated opinion on the total number of bills deposited at T-Bar. Dorwin told me that he and his team found dozens, if not hundreds, of shards of at least 1-inch in diameter for a radius of 20 feet from the Ingram find, and down to a depth of three feet. Plus, we have seen the KATU videos of about six shards of at least 2-3 inches being placed in Plasticine evidence envelopes, which are all now missing.

I have heard numerous discussions that estimate these shards were generated from another $400 worth of bills - basically another 20 twenties. That makes the grand total of T-Bar money to be about $6,200. That's the figure I use in my book.

so any money theory needs to account for shards being created, of 1 inch diameter, and displaced 20 feet from where the bundles were found.

Sounds consistent with what  a dredge might do (coupled with bulldozer).

Yet people want to say dredge is impossible. ?

I go to dredging operations for my job from time to time. I've had conversations with dredge operators about this. One guy told me that I "would be surprised at some of the things that make it through a dredge". When I asked about Cooper money specifically, the answer has always been that yes, it could have made it through the dredge intact. It shouldn't, but it could. So no, it certainly isn't impossible, at least not from that perspective. Where the money was found in relation to the dredge spoils however, could eliminate the possibility I guess??

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Question on the money for anyone.  We know that packets/bundles etc. were found, totaling around $5800.  We believe that all those bills had serial numbers.  Current research says maybe it was less than $5800? Maybe more?  Maybe some of the serial numbers are wrong.  My question is this: Weren't there shards found (quite a bit)? Were these tied to the bills that were found, or are they totally separate?  If they are separate, then more money was lost/buried/went through the dredge etc.  If so, how much?

The "extra" money, meaning those bills that created the shards, is undetermined. Nevertheless, there is some data that gives an educated opinion on the total number of bills deposited at T-Bar. Dorwin told me that he and his team found dozens, if not hundreds, of shards of at least 1-inch in diameter for a radius of 20 feet from the Ingram find, and down to a depth of three feet. Plus, we have seen the KATU videos of about six shards of at least 2-3 inches being placed in Plasticine evidence envelopes, which are all now missing.

I have heard numerous discussions that estimate these shards were generated from another $400 worth of bills - basically another 20 twenties. That makes the grand total of T-Bar money to be about $6,200. That's the figure I use in my book.

so any money theory needs to account for shards being created, of 1 inch diameter, and displaced 20 feet from where the bundles were found.

Sounds consistent with what  a dredge might do (coupled with bulldozer).

Yet people want to say dredge is impossible. ?

I go to dredging operations for my job from time to time. I've had conversations with dredge operators about this. One guy told me that I "would be surprised at some of the things that make it through a dredge". When I asked about Cooper money specifically, the answer has always been that yes, it could have made it through the dredge intact. It shouldn't, but it could. So no, it certainly isn't impossible, at least not from that perspective. Where the money was found in relation to the dredge spoils however, could eliminate the possibility I guess??

You can't really have a conversation about "intact" without more detail.
like if you said
"Imagine a money bag with 50 packets of bills at the bottom of the columbia for while, so the packets had individual bills stuck together. If the dredge hit that money bag, could 3 of the packets end up together in the dredge spoils?"

sure 47 or so could get destroyed, but in the process protect 3.

People don't seem to want to think like that.

they think about individual packets individually. Which is wrong. You have to think about the group (and maybe the money bag)


You can think of it as a gamble also. Sure it's risky to jump thru a dredge. But if you try it 50 times, you might succeed 3 times, if you're as small as a bill packet.

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If Tom Kaye was willing to say the dredge spoils were part of what kept the Cooper money "covered" over time, in his estimation, and that cessation of dredge spoils led to the current erosion state...
well, then what is the difference between the dredge spoils covering, and the dredge spoils also bringing the money with them? Nothing.

Tom just assumes money can't go the dredge...and continues with his biased judgement.

I agree 100%. Tom is ignoring time and movement of spoils north - the Columbia flows south to north at this location. Another issue Tom avoids completely is: was the Cooper money contaminated by unique chemistry only attributable to the spoils? If the answer is yes, then the next question is how ? I think Tom is just dug in on the issue of spoils ...   

I've been wondering about the possibility of specific chemicals, pollutants, organics, ph or other characteristics of the dredging affecting bill decomposition. Not sure though. But it goes thinking about how to artificially recreate the tena bar bills today...i.e. what's the recipe?