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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6915 on: August 10, 2021, 11:09:31 AM »
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If Chaucer and Georger want to continue pushing their claims that Columbia River debris from the area of the Portland International Airport is going to end up at Tena Bar by natural means then it would be nice if they could produce a single piece of believable evidence to support their claims.
 

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And I have never claimed that debris in the PIA area could not make it to the Tena Bar area.

These two statements of yours appear to be contradictory.

Chaucer, you should take the Logic 101 course at your local community college.  You would definitely benefit from it.

Tena Bar is the name of a specific small area on the east side of the Columbia River adjacent to the Fazio farm and sand operation.  The term "Tena Bar area" implies a much larger area and, in the context that I used it, means the Oregon or west side of the Columbia River opposite Tena Bar itself.
What a marvelous act of equivocation on your part!  :bravo:

So, now “Tena Bar” can extend as far south at Vancouver, as far north as Caples and can even extend ACROSS the river into Oregon. And debris can end up all along that space EXCEPT for the tiny speck that is actually Tena Bar. All because Robert99 deems it so.

You are proving yourself to be quite the prevaricator, Bob.   :congrats:

Chaucer, if you know anyone who is fluent in English ask them to explain my post above to you.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6916 on: August 10, 2021, 11:28:28 AM »
Perhaps you can extend the "Tena Bar area" 12 miles east to the FBI dropzone. That way you can really square the circle.


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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6917 on: August 10, 2021, 03:26:32 PM »
So who was George Harrison and why is he important ?

"George Harrison, (was) the Northwest Airlines executive at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport who coordinated the hijacker’s demands with the FBI and local law enforcement. The archives from Mr. Harrison include documents never before seen by the public, including 23 pages of handwritten notes with a timeline of the hijacking as it unfolded; a refueling receipt for the Northwest aircraft; copy of the check made out to Seafirst National Bank, for the $200,000 ransom amount paid to the hijacker; and an original copy of the teletype transcript of communications, between the crew of flight 305 and Sea-Tac Airport." (WSHM Oct 24 2013)

Mr. Nicholson claims he is not at liberty to share any of WSHM's work with us! This only makes things more difficult for everyone!

Apparently, Harrison's "23 pages of handwritten notes with a timeline of the hijacking as it unfolded..." was examined by WSHM and Nicholson, resulting in Nicholson's claim 'there are 19 redactions to the publicly released Flight Comms Transcript critical to a correct understanding of the flight path Flight 305 took, and the time and place DB Cooper bailed from the airplane. R99 claims it was the FBI who made the redactions. In other words, a critical analysis of the Harrison timeline notes is crucial to exposing the redactions the FBI made, and a correct plotting of the Cooper flight path and when and where crucial events happened during the hijacking. To that end Nicholson has filed several FOIA requests against the FBI and others, so far with negative results.

THAT is who George Harrison is, and why WSHM chose to cover his story in 2012-14 ?

But alas - nobody cares.  :rofl:
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6918 on: August 10, 2021, 07:33:33 PM »
For those new to the case, reading the above posts over the last couple of pages reminds me of the good ole days of the DZ. Kinda like history repeating itself, so don't feel left out.
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6919 on: August 10, 2021, 07:40:38 PM »
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So who was George Harrison and why is he important ?

"George Harrison, (was) the Northwest Airlines executive at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport who coordinated the hijacker’s demands with the FBI and local law enforcement. The archives from Mr. Harrison include documents never before seen by the public, including 23 pages of handwritten notes with a timeline of the hijacking as it unfolded; a refueling receipt for the Northwest aircraft; copy of the check made out to Seafirst National Bank, for the $200,000 ransom amount paid to the hijacker; and an original copy of the teletype transcript of communications, between the crew of flight 305 and Sea-Tac Airport." (WSHM Oct 24 2013)

Mr. Nicholson claims he is not at liberty to share any of WSHM's work with us! This only makes things more difficult for everyone!

Apparently, Harrison's "23 pages of handwritten notes with a timeline of the hijacking as it unfolded..." was examined by WSHM and Nicholson, resulting in Nicholson's claim 'there are 19 redactions to the publicly released Flight Comms Transcript critical to a correct understanding of the flight path Flight 305 took, and the time and place DB Cooper bailed from the airplane. R99 claims it was the FBI who made the redactions. In other words, a critical analysis of the Harrison timeline notes is crucial to exposing the redactions the FBI made, and a correct plotting of the Cooper flight path and when and where crucial events happened during the hijacking. To that end Nicholson has filed several FOIA requests against the FBI and others, so far with negative results.

THAT is who George Harrison is, and why WSHM chose to cover his story in 2012-14 ?

But alas - nobody cares.  :rofl:

Georger continues making outright lies about material facts on what I have done.  It is the FBI that will not release the unredacted Seattle ATC radio transcripts.  The FBI did not have any objection to releasing the unredacted Oakland ATC radio transcripts.  What is known as the George Harrison papers are publicly available to everyone.

However, my personal e-mails are none of Georger's business.  If Georger has any analytical skills he should be able to do his own analysis.  Unfortunately, it appears that Georger and Chaucer, his protege, do not let their obvious ignorance of things related to aviation, air traffic control, and even basic physics, prevent them from representing themselves as experts or at least knowledgeable in those areas.  So they make silly comments such as the above and as they have done in previous posts. 

 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6920 on: August 10, 2021, 08:45:05 PM »
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So who was George Harrison and why is he important ?

"George Harrison, (was) the Northwest Airlines executive at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport who coordinated the hijacker’s demands with the FBI and local law enforcement. The archives from Mr. Harrison include documents never before seen by the public, including 23 pages of handwritten notes with a timeline of the hijacking as it unfolded; a refueling receipt for the Northwest aircraft; copy of the check made out to Seafirst National Bank, for the $200,000 ransom amount paid to the hijacker; and an original copy of the teletype transcript of communications, between the crew of flight 305 and Sea-Tac Airport." (WSHM Oct 24 2013)

Mr. Nicholson claims he is not at liberty to share any of WSHM's work with us! This only makes things more difficult for everyone!

Apparently, Harrison's "23 pages of handwritten notes with a timeline of the hijacking as it unfolded..." was examined by WSHM and Nicholson, resulting in Nicholson's claim 'there are 19 redactions to the publicly released Flight Comms Transcript critical to a correct understanding of the flight path Flight 305 took, and the time and place DB Cooper bailed from the airplane. R99 claims it was the FBI who made the redactions. In other words, a critical analysis of the Harrison timeline notes is crucial to exposing the redactions the FBI made, and a correct plotting of the Cooper flight path and when and where crucial events happened during the hijacking. To that end Nicholson has filed several FOIA requests against the FBI and others, so far with negative results.

THAT is who George Harrison is, and why WSHM chose to cover his story in 2012-14 ?

But alas - nobody cares.  :rofl:

Georger continues making outright lies about material facts on what I have done.  It is the FBI that will not release the unredacted Seattle ATC radio transcripts.  The FBI did not have any objection to releasing the unredacted Oakland ATC radio transcripts.  What is known as the George Harrison papers are publicly available to everyone.

However, my personal e-mails are none of Georger's business.  If Georger has any analytical skills he should be able to do his own analysis.  Unfortunately, it appears that Georger and Chaucer, his protege, do not let their obvious ignorance of things related to aviation, air traffic control, and even basic physics, prevent them from representing themselves as experts or at least knowledgeable in those areas.  So they make silly comments such as the above and as they have done in previous posts.

Why do his own analysis when A) he's usually wrong and B) he can just yell a people to give him theirs? It's fun! You get to use emojis! -->  :rofl: :congrats: :offtopicman: :conspiracy: :nono:   vote the smileycode and safe
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6921 on: August 10, 2021, 11:46:48 PM »
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So who was George Harrison and why is he important ?

"George Harrison, (was) the Northwest Airlines executive at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport who coordinated the hijacker’s demands with the FBI and local law enforcement. The archives from Mr. Harrison include documents never before seen by the public, including 23 pages of handwritten notes with a timeline of the hijacking as it unfolded; a refueling receipt for the Northwest aircraft; copy of the check made out to Seafirst National Bank, for the $200,000 ransom amount paid to the hijacker; and an original copy of the teletype transcript of communications, between the crew of flight 305 and Sea-Tac Airport." (WSHM Oct 24 2013)

Mr. Nicholson claims he is not at liberty to share any of WSHM's work with us! This only makes things more difficult for everyone!

Apparently, Harrison's "23 pages of handwritten notes with a timeline of the hijacking as it unfolded..." was examined by WSHM and Nicholson, resulting in Nicholson's claim 'there are 19 redactions to the publicly released Flight Comms Transcript critical to a correct understanding of the flight path Flight 305 took, and the time and place DB Cooper bailed from the airplane. R99 claims it was the FBI who made the redactions. In other words, a critical analysis of the Harrison timeline notes is crucial to exposing the redactions the FBI made, and a correct plotting of the Cooper flight path and when and where crucial events happened during the hijacking. To that end Nicholson has filed several FOIA requests against the FBI and others, so far with negative results.

THAT is who George Harrison is, and why WSHM chose to cover his story in 2012-14 ?

But alas - nobody cares.  :rofl:

Georger continues making outright lies about material facts on what I have done.  It is the FBI that will not release the unredacted Seattle ATC radio transcripts.  The FBI did not have any objection to releasing the unredacted Oakland ATC radio transcripts.  What is known as the George Harrison papers are publicly available to everyone.

However, my personal e-mails are none of Georger's business.  If Georger has any analytical skills he should be able to do his own analysis.  Unfortunately, it appears that Georger and Chaucer, his protege, do not let their obvious ignorance of things related to aviation, air traffic control, and even basic physics, prevent them from representing themselves as experts or at least knowledgeable in those areas.  So they make silly comments such as the above and as they have done in previous posts.

Hmmm. Amazing load of garbage. R99 reveals his agenda and his lunacy all in one huge offload. R99 is now taking lessons from Flyjack. Attack the neutral party BEFORE he can attack you ?

My only interest in the Harrison files is to try and understand HOW WSHM (and R99 or whomever?) arrived at 19 redactions. R99 has never explained that very well. I have nothing to conceal and no pre-arranged agenda. Im just a spectator in this enigma. Im just looking for directions ... like a person would ask directions looking for the library. If that is a sin and some grievous error committed against poor R99, then Mr. Nicholson needs a PSYHIATRIST! Its none of his business where I look and who I ask for directions from to whatever end!

There must be some reason and some method by which 'somebody' arrived at 19 redactions? Why not 13 redactions, or 74, or 39? Im just looking for any substance behind Mr. Nicholson's countless posts claiming "19 redactions". Likewise why would the FBI of all people be making socalled redactions to a flight communications transcript? Redactions on what basis and for what purpose? Did George Harrison help the FBI make redactions? Did Harrison claim the FBI made redactions? ... there are a hundred questions that come to mind. What sacred ground have I stepped on that involves Robt Nicholson? As if I just kicked Nicholson's snarling dog in the ass? Since when has Mr. Nicholson become the spokesperson for .... WSHM?

What lies have I stated in my original post? Why dont you simply make any corrections you think are necessary. And leave it at that. That would be the sane thing to do!

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6922 on: August 11, 2021, 12:00:02 AM »
To my knowledge, FLYJACK in capital letters, has never commented about the socalled '19 redactions'. I wonder why ...   :-\

 
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6923 on: August 11, 2021, 12:03:16 AM »
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To my knowledge, FLYJACK in capital letters, has never commented about the socalled '19 redactions'. I wonder why ...   :-\

You don't wonder, you dramatically insinuate - in the most cliche manor.  The Old and the Restless over here. Tell R99 and Flyjack to stay away from your husband and then sip your champagne flute.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6924 on: August 11, 2021, 12:13:37 AM »
Unsurewok your post above is vile and I have filed a complaint and asked it be taken down. 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6925 on: August 11, 2021, 09:39:04 AM »
Bob,
You promised to provide us all with proof that debris from the area between the two bridges could not arrive at Tena Bar.  I'd love to take a look.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6926 on: August 11, 2021, 04:28:58 PM »
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Bob,
You promised to provide us all with proof that debris from the area between the two bridges could not arrive at Tena Bar.  I'd love to take a look.

Who knows what will happen or not happen. My sense is people are scrambling today to cover their options now that WSHM socalled 'redactions' and WSHM files (the actual files) has surfaced as an issue. These files are actually crucial to several people's claims. WSHM itself never posted anything about the claim of redactions others made. Some people have made the Harrison (WSHM) papers central to their claim of an FBI cover up. But today the files aren't even available unless somebody bothered to down load and save them back in 2014 ?

X has claimed to have been investigating the Cooper case for years - what was he doing in 2014? Does he have the WSHM files? Did Bruce Smith even bother to save the WSHM files so he could pass them along today to whomever wants them? Shutter doesn't even have the files in his Vault. Does FLYJACK have the files or can he get them? I am sure FJ would love to be able to comment about "redactions" and people's claims about redactions, socalled. What exactly did WSHM do with the materials the Harrison estate provided them and 'who' did the the comparison work on scroll A vs scroll B ? If FJ can get the files he will be all over that! So some people may be busy today . . .

Bruce Smith for example has never to my knowledge tackled the issue of 'redactions' and WSHM's work comparing TTY scrolls - no articles by Smith on this topic central to the DB Cooper case? Is there anything enlightening about it in his book?

Even if the FBI or someone redacted passages before a public version of the TTY script was released (flight comms transcript today) did that materially change the facts of the flight path and events ? I am sure opinions will differ on that! 

Who knows where this will lead ... or if anyone even cares.         
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« Reply #6927 on: August 11, 2021, 08:44:57 PM »
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Unsurewok your post above is vile and I have filed a complaint and asked it be taken down.

Sure. Make sure the soccer ref sees your pained expression before springing back up. Maybe you'll get a yellow card out of him.  "Vile." lol
 

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« Reply #6928 on: August 11, 2021, 08:50:02 PM »
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Bob,
You promised to provide us all with proof that debris from the area between the two bridges could not arrive at Tena Bar.  I'd love to take a look.

If it comes with a demonstration of how the money stays together in three bundles but also separates from the other 97 bundles, I'll take a look too.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6929 on: August 11, 2021, 10:21:42 PM »
Georger, I don't see any grounds for removing Unsurelocks comment. it's a potshot directed at you for all the comments you post here...some of your own medicine, as they say. people are tired of your crap and insults. do you think Eric started a page to hide from everyone, no. it's because of your behavior on this forum.


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The motion for removal of the comments are DENIED.

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