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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2205 on: July 06, 2019, 11:29:00 PM »
Amphetamines. At least, that's the logical implication

It's from Tosaw's book...
 
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"Don't worry. I've got some pills to keep them awake"
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2206 on: July 07, 2019, 12:01:54 AM »
GG states it was Benadryl, I think.
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2207 on: July 07, 2019, 12:06:39 AM »
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Amphetamines. At least, that's the logical implication

It's from Tosaw's book...
 
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"Don't worry. I've got some pills to keep them awake"

What Tosaw doesn't tell you or his audience is - Amphetamines and DRUGS OF ALL KINDS were endemic to all wars, WWI, II, Korea, Vietnam, etc. All service branches. All nations especially Germany and China and the US of A. All pilots. All truck drivers. Laborers everywhere on Earth!

It's like Tosaw announcing: humans breath oxygen! Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh I didn't know!  :rofl:

So Cooper tells a stew who probably has had an amp or two to tell pilots who have probably taken amps ... that he has amps if they want them, too!. He should have told Tina he had genitals, arms, feet, and a head ? That he drank water and needed air! Then he turns around and wants meals for everyone!

How about a free night at the Koka Kabana in Havannah?

There is something about this that is just a little WEIRD. Like rocks on the Moon and shells on turtles. And wings on birds. And other good Christian news from Mr. Tosaw. Amerikans wanna know. 

Fact is, its like telling a baseball player you need to hit in this game. So Bring bat. Not a stick or a broom! ?

Tina responds 'I will go deliver the message to the pharmacists right now'!   

Who tracks Indians best? Another Indian?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2208 on: July 07, 2019, 12:07:45 AM »
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GG states it was Benadryl, I think.

Oh gee - have we mixed up the drugs?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2209 on: July 07, 2019, 12:24:03 AM »
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Amphetamines. At least, that's the logical implication

It's from Tosaw's book...
 
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"Don't worry. I've got some pills to keep them awake"

What kind of guy tells aviators familiar with drugs, that he has drugs to help them? 

1. a small moron
2. BIG idiot
3. a forgetful person who is on drugs or senile?
4. a person with a checklist on how to conduct a hijacking he's running through?
5. it never happened
6. a Baptist
7. an auditor at the Chase Manhattan Bank.
8. . . .
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2210 on: July 07, 2019, 12:32:14 AM »
Not to interrupt the flow here, but do we have photos of the SkyChef restaurant at PDX ca.1971?
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2211 on: July 07, 2019, 12:33:56 AM »
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Not to interrupt the flow here, but do we have photos of the SkyChef restaurant at PDX ca.1971?

Damn! Good question. You're not interrupting anything!  ;)
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2212 on: July 07, 2019, 12:45:51 AM »
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Am deep in novel revisions for my publisher. Does anyone remember (without my digging for hours through all this stuff, lol) what kind of drugs he offered Tina for the flight crew and whether that is confirmed by the FBI docs?

Cooper reportedly said that he had drugs for the pilots if they got tired.  This would probably be something like pills truck drivers reportedly use for long distance drives.

However, if Cooper had some special forces type of military training, the drugs could be something that the military issues to such troops to keep them alert during extended missions.

Even the USAF reportedly issues drugs to pilots that are involved in extended flights.  Perhaps you have seen pictures of pilots with a small pill container attached to the collar of their flight suit.
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2213 on: July 07, 2019, 12:58:59 AM »
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Not to interrupt the flow here, but do we have photos of the SkyChef restaurant at PDX ca.1971?

All I could find at the moment is a postcard showing a bar in PDX. it appears to have a restaurant next to it. it looks similar to a Skychef in Denver...

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2214 on: July 07, 2019, 01:38:46 AM »
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Am deep in novel revisions for my publisher. Does anyone remember (without my digging for hours through all this stuff, lol) what kind of drugs he offered Tina for the flight crew and whether that is confirmed by the FBI docs?

Cooper reportedly said that he had drugs for the pilots if they got tired.  This would probably be something like pills truck drivers reportedly use for long distance drives.

However, if Cooper had some special forces type of military training, the drugs could be something that the military issues to such troops to keep them alert during extended missions.

Even the USAF reportedly issues drugs to pilots that are involved in extended flights.  Perhaps you have seen pictures of pilots with a small pill container attached to the collar of their flight suit.

Tosaw appears to be the only source for this bizarre drug story. I guess Tosaw got a scoop that everyone else missed, and there is no other record of.

But of course Tosaw also claimed that Cooper landed in the Columbia.

Tina missed an opportunity. Pills from Cooper might lead to a source.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2215 on: July 07, 2019, 01:59:44 AM »
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Am deep in novel revisions for my publisher. Does anyone remember (without my digging for hours through all this stuff, lol) what kind of drugs he offered Tina for the flight crew and whether that is confirmed by the FBI docs?

Cooper reportedly said that he had drugs for the pilots if they got tired.  This would probably be something like pills truck drivers reportedly use for long distance drives.

However, if Cooper had some special forces type of military training, the drugs could be something that the military issues to such troops to keep them alert during extended missions.

Even the USAF reportedly issues drugs to pilots that are involved in extended flights.  Perhaps you have seen pictures of pilots with a small pill container attached to the collar of their flight suit.

Tosaw appears to be the only source for this bizarre drug story. I guess Tosaw got a scoop that everyone else missed, and there is no other record of.

But of course Tosaw also claimed that Cooper landed in the Columbia.
Hm, I will take a slog through the docs again, but like you, I don't remember pills specifically from the initial interviews. Am trying to remember the medicinal elements - maybe something that coated pills? - they found on the tie. GG did have access to some witnesses most others haven't  - a lot of detail about Flo's thoughts, I would think too much for dramatic license given she's a living person, and with Alice as well. I just re-checked GG's book - I like his description of the skyjack itself for sheer in-the-moment elements, but I wish he hadn't gotten tangled up in the KC and DW lines! - and he mentions Benzedrine. (I thought this might be an ingredient in Benylin as well, but apparently their line contains dextromethorphan and occasionally codeine.) GG's end notes are a bit general in places but he states all elements of the flight description come from the records as well as his own interviews.

You're correct on its uses in wartime and other sleepless-by-necessity situations [from Wikipedia]:

Benzedrine and derived amphetamines were used as a stimulant for armed forces during World War II and the Vietnam War.[5] Benzedrine was commonly referenced in Beatnik culture and writings. It was referenced in the works of famous Beats, including Jack Kerouac's novel On the Road, Sylvia Plath's novel The Bell Jar, William S. Burroughs's novel Junky, and Allen Ginsberg's memoir poem "Howl". Benzedrine is also mentioned in John Rechy's novel City of Night and several novels by Jacqueline Susann, in particular The Love Machine in which main character Robin Stone treats the drug as a staple of "a well balanced diet" inclusive of red meat and cigarettes. Benzedrine is frequently referenced in Hubert Selby Jr.'s novel Last Exit to Brooklyn.[6]

When amphetamine became a controlled substance, it was replaced by propylhexedrine. Propylhexedrine was also manufactured by Smith, Kline and French and was marketed under the name Benzedrex. The Benzedrex inhaler is still available today, but is now manufactured by B.F. Ascher & Company, inc.

Shutter, that's the clearest version of that postcard I've ever seen. Thank you so much, and thanks to all ye gentlemen and scholars. Will check the FBI docs tomorrow, may have just missed it.
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2216 on: July 07, 2019, 04:23:56 AM »
By the way, I don't know if something like this has been posted before, but this shows the weather at Portland airport on Nov 24/71 - of course the weather in the jump zone could have been quite different, but this doesn't sound that alarming IMO. But then I did grow up in a -50 degree C weather zone... :) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

If the pilots did report inclement weather, do we know which municipalities along Victor 23 showed such weather that night? That might help narrow the DZ possibilities. I couldn't find historical Ariel for that night on the weather underground, I guess because it's small. Only found Portland. Were there other stations along the route, like smaller local ones that might have historical records?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2217 on: July 07, 2019, 04:57:15 AM »
Finding no reference to pills on trueink's excerpts of the FBI interviews. Both Alice and Tina did mention maps - Tina says they were brought aboard, Alice thought Cooper had demanded them, but that could be incorrect. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2218 on: July 07, 2019, 02:41:22 PM »
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Finding no reference to pills on trueink's excerpts of the FBI interviews. Both Alice and Tina did mention maps - Tina says they were brought aboard, Alice thought Cooper had demanded them, but that could be incorrect. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2219 on: July 07, 2019, 02:46:05 PM »
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Finding no reference to pills on trueink's excerpts of the FBI interviews. Both Alice and Tina did mention maps - Tina says they were brought aboard, Alice thought Cooper had demanded them, but that could be incorrect. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

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