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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2145 on: March 29, 2019, 07:39:21 PM »
The ground radar thingy was either rented, or came from storage at the production company. I'll ask them.

Thanks for the kudos, Castle. Karga 7, which filmed it for the Travel Channel, says they're sending me a copy on Monday.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2146 on: March 30, 2019, 10:06:06 AM »
Bill Mitchell recorded his version of the hijacking for the Washington State Historical Commission.  Bruce's book says there is an audio tape of it.  Does anyone know where to get a copy of that, or where to find it online?  Thanks.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2147 on: March 30, 2019, 05:41:00 PM »
It was archived at the WSHM, at their COOPER EXHIBIT website. I have a link, somewhere.... and I'll go looking for it in my files if you can't access the WSHM.

There were links posted here, too, circa 2013.

Or, call Bill!
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2148 on: March 31, 2019, 11:12:59 PM »
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It was archived at the WSHM, at their COOPER EXHIBIT website. I have a link, somewhere.... and I'll go looking for it in my files if you can't access the WSHM.

There were links posted here, too, circa 2013.

Or, call Bill!

most of the material is gone off there site. you can email them. they are very helpful in locating what they have.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2149 on: April 29, 2019, 09:15:43 PM »
fcastle866:

Go ahead with the question; I’ll answer to the best of my ability given the existing circumstances.  Perhaps the time has come to stir-it-up, so don’t hold back.

 

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« Reply #2150 on: April 30, 2019, 12:35:03 AM »
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Bruce: Do you know what companies manufactured the GPR (Ground Penetrating Radar) and the facial recognition software used in the Travel Channel doc on DB Cooper?  I want to make sure I don't buy any of their stock.  Great to see you on the show. :chr2:

Check with a university archaeology dept or State Archaeologist Office for the best LiDAR gear to buy. 

All of these tools require better than average computer skills .. cost may be a factor. It might be more productive and cost effective to farm this work out to others who have the tools, experience, and computer skills to do the work.   

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2151 on: April 30, 2019, 02:23:15 PM »
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fcastle866:

Go ahead with the question; I’ll answer to the best of my ability given the existing circumstances.  Perhaps the time has come to stir-it-up, so don’t hold back.

Prospector: Welcome back.  I was referring to a question from a while back where a scar on Cooper's hand was discussed.  If you go one page back on this thread, you'll see my post and Georger's.  You mention a right distal phalanx.  Some of us were wondering about more details on that.  Here are some of the posts.  Thanks.

Quote from: Prospector on September 19, 2018, 02:53:25 PM
Quote from: FLYJACK on September 19, 2018, 01:58:54 PM
It has been mentioned/rumoured that Cooper had a scar on his hand, info that the FBI has held back..

Does anybody have any source for this?

Tosaw or Himmelsbach's book?

Are you referring to a feature on the right hand middle finger distal phalanx?

Anyone ever hear from Prospector? He references a scar on the right hand middle finger distal phalanx.  That's a pretty specific comment.  Should records show someday that Cooper did in fact have this, I'd be curious to know how he guessed this.
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2152 on: April 30, 2019, 04:40:34 PM »
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fcastle866:

Go ahead with the question; I’ll answer to the best of my ability given the existing circumstances.  Perhaps the time has come to stir-it-up, so don’t hold back.

Prospector: Welcome back.  I was referring to a question from a while back where a scar on Cooper's hand was discussed.  If you go one page back on this thread, you'll see my post and Georger's.  You mention a right distal phalanx.  Some of us were wondering about more details on that.  Here are some of the posts.  Thanks.

Quote from: Prospector on September 19, 2018, 02:53:25 PM
Quote from: FLYJACK on September 19, 2018, 01:58:54 PM
It has been mentioned/rumoured that Cooper had a scar on his hand, info that the FBI has held back..

Does anybody have any source for this?

Tosaw or Himmelsbach's book?

Are you referring to a feature on the right hand middle finger distal phalanx?

Anyone ever hear from Prospector? He references a scar on the right hand middle finger distal phalanx.  That's a pretty specific comment.  Should records show someday that Cooper did in fact have this, I'd be curious to know how he guessed this.

You ask a very good question, not the one I hoped to address, but perhaps a good starting point for further enquiry. 

First I need to share an opinion related to the publicly released statement regarding ‘no scars, marks, or tattoos’.  This refers to what the witnesses observed at the time of the incident.  Any number of scars, marks, or tattoos could have been created on the individual at any point in time after the witnesses observed the individual in question.  Also, witnesses may have observed any number of scars, marks, or tattoos at the time, and that information is ‘held back’ by the authorities to aid in their vetting of incoming tips and/or confessions.  Not a well kept secret that this is a technique employed by investigators to help resolve a file.  As such, the statement is rendered invalid and irrelevant and should be dismissed in its entirety.  It would be imprudent for any person who may have known an individual prior to the criminal act and/or encountered a person after the fact who matched the physical description and profile to dismiss reporting that fact based on the presence of scars, marks, or tattoos. 

Specifically relating to Cooper, a careful examination of information made public contained within the series of composite sketches clearly indicates a feature on the left side of the bridge of the nose (Bing comp w/out sunglasses).  An interesting enhancement of that particular feature is observed on the ABC World News Tonight – Saturday, January 14, 2017 while reporting on the case.

I did not choose to become involved in this rampant dysfunction surrounding “D B Cooper”, but have been forced into it.  Due to this unfortunate twist of fortune, I have come into contact with what I now have every reason to believe is a very reliable source of information regarding Cooper.  The specific mention of a feature on the right hand middle finger distal phalanx comes from that source. 

It is unfortunate that someone who is familiar with the man himself is not an active member of this discussion forum.  Perhaps they could tell you about the very small feature above his right upper lip, a feature that could easily be disguised with a short moustache.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2153 on: April 30, 2019, 10:09:54 PM »
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fcastle866:

Go ahead with the question; I’ll answer to the best of my ability given the existing circumstances.  Perhaps the time has come to stir-it-up, so don’t hold back.

Prospector: Welcome back.  I was referring to a question from a while back where a scar on Cooper's hand was discussed.  If you go one page back on this thread, you'll see my post and Georger's.  You mention a right distal phalanx.  Some of us were wondering about more details on that.  Here are some of the posts.  Thanks.

Quote from: Prospector on September 19, 2018, 02:53:25 PM
Quote from: FLYJACK on September 19, 2018, 01:58:54 PM
It has been mentioned/rumoured that Cooper had a scar on his hand, info that the FBI has held back..

Does anybody have any source for this?

Tosaw or Himmelsbach's book?

Are you referring to a feature on the right hand middle finger distal phalanx?

Anyone ever hear from Prospector? He references a scar on the right hand middle finger distal phalanx.  That's a pretty specific comment.  Should records show someday that Cooper did in fact have this, I'd be curious to know how he guessed this.

You ask a very good question, not the one I hoped to address, but perhaps a good starting point for further enquiry. 

First I need to share an opinion related to the publicly released statement regarding ‘no scars, marks, or tattoos’.  This refers to what the witnesses observed at the time of the incident.  Any number of scars, marks, or tattoos could have been created on the individual at any point in time after the witnesses observed the individual in question.  Also, witnesses may have observed any number of scars, marks, or tattoos at the time, and that information is ‘held back’ by the authorities to aid in their vetting of incoming tips and/or confessions.  Not a well kept secret that this is a technique employed by investigators to help resolve a file.  As such, the statement is rendered invalid and irrelevant and should be dismissed in its entirety.  It would be imprudent for any person who may have known an individual prior to the criminal act and/or encountered a person after the fact who matched the physical description and profile to dismiss reporting that fact based on the presence of scars, marks, or tattoos. 

Specifically relating to Cooper, a careful examination of information made public contained within the series of composite sketches clearly indicates a feature on the left side of the bridge of the nose (Bing comp w/out sunglasses).  An interesting enhancement of that particular feature is observed on the ABC World News Tonight – Saturday, January 14, 2017 while reporting on the case.

I did not choose to become involved in this rampant dysfunction surrounding “D B Cooper”, but have been forced into it.  Due to this unfortunate twist of fortune, I have come into contact with what I now have every reason to believe is a very reliable source of information regarding Cooper.  The specific mention of a feature on the right hand middle finger distal phalanx comes from that source. 

It is unfortunate that someone who is familiar with the man himself is not an active member of this discussion forum.  Perhaps they could tell you about the very small feature above his right upper lip, a feature that could easily be disguised with a short moustache.

What was the question you were hoping to answer?

I agree with you on the holdback about a scar.  The FBI held back the clip on tie for 35 years or so, so hiding a scar or other mark would not be out of the realm of possibility.  I'm not familiar with any marks on the Bing Crosby sketch though.

You make some interesting comments.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2154 on: April 30, 2019, 11:21:29 PM »
Dovid:

I can neither confirm nor deny.  I do not have access to that specific information at this time.  It would be wise not to abandon that line of inquiry.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2155 on: May 01, 2019, 09:34:14 AM »
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fcastle866:

Go ahead with the question; I’ll answer to the best of my ability given the existing circumstances.  Perhaps the time has come to stir-it-up, so don’t hold back.

Prospector: Welcome back.  I was referring to a question from a while back where a scar on Cooper's hand was discussed.  If you go one page back on this thread, you'll see my post and Georger's.  You mention a right distal phalanx.  Some of us were wondering about more details on that.  Here are some of the posts.  Thanks.

Quote from: Prospector on September 19, 2018, 02:53:25 PM
Quote from: FLYJACK on September 19, 2018, 01:58:54 PM
It has been mentioned/rumoured that Cooper had a scar on his hand, info that the FBI has held back..

Does anybody have any source for this?

Tosaw or Himmelsbach's book?

Are you referring to a feature on the right hand middle finger distal phalanx?

Anyone ever hear from Prospector? He references a scar on the right hand middle finger distal phalanx.  That's a pretty specific comment.  Should records show someday that Cooper did in fact have this, I'd be curious to know how he guessed this.

You ask a very good question, not the one I hoped to address, but perhaps a good starting point for further enquiry. 

First I need to share an opinion related to the publicly released statement regarding ‘no scars, marks, or tattoos’.  This refers to what the witnesses observed at the time of the incident.  Any number of scars, marks, or tattoos could have been created on the individual at any point in time after the witnesses observed the individual in question.  Also, witnesses may have observed any number of scars, marks, or tattoos at the time, and that information is ‘held back’ by the authorities to aid in their vetting of incoming tips and/or confessions.  Not a well kept secret that this is a technique employed by investigators to help resolve a file.  As such, the statement is rendered invalid and irrelevant and should be dismissed in its entirety.  It would be imprudent for any person who may have known an individual prior to the criminal act and/or encountered a person after the fact who matched the physical description and profile to dismiss reporting that fact based on the presence of scars, marks, or tattoos. 

Specifically relating to Cooper, a careful examination of information made public contained within the series of composite sketches clearly indicates a feature on the left side of the bridge of the nose (Bing comp w/out sunglasses).  An interesting enhancement of that particular feature is observed on the ABC World News Tonight – Saturday, January 14, 2017 while reporting on the case.

I did not choose to become involved in this rampant dysfunction surrounding “D B Cooper”, but have been forced into it.  Due to this unfortunate twist of fortune, I have come into contact with what I now have every reason to believe is a very reliable source of information regarding Cooper.  The specific mention of a feature on the right hand middle finger distal phalanx comes from that source. 

It is unfortunate that someone who is familiar with the man himself is not an active member of this discussion forum.  Perhaps they could tell you about the very small feature above his right upper lip, a feature that could easily be disguised with a short moustache.

What was the question you were hoping to answer?

I agree with you on the holdback about a scar.  The FBI held back the clip on tie for 35 years or so, so hiding a scar or other mark would not be out of the realm of possibility.  I'm not familiar with any marks on the Bing Crosby sketch though.

You make some interesting comments.

I trust I am at liberty to now ask you a question.  My question is hypothetical, and if you choose to answer, it won’t expose you to risk.

Say for instance, your efforts led you to an individual who you conclude matches the course-filter physical description of the skyjacker.  You research further and discover that person also matches the fine-filter characteristics and profile information of the skyjacker.  Then through luck and skill, you are able to position yourself in such a manner that you are able to observe his reactions to stimulus that is presented to him with the intent to test for a guilty mind.  As a result of your efforts, you find yourself confronted with the hard reality you have discovered an individual who matches the course and fine filter physical description and characteristics, profile information, and behavioral expectations of the fugitive.  Your work was made easier because he is losing his edge due to advanced age and having to pack around such a big head for successfully outmanoeuvring the FBI for all those years.

Would you inform anyone of what you had found?  If not, why not?  If so, who would you inform, why would you inform, and at what point in time would you have informed them of your discovery?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2156 on: May 01, 2019, 10:54:43 AM »
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fcastle866:

Go ahead with the question; I’ll answer to the best of my ability given the existing circumstances.  Perhaps the time has come to stir-it-up, so don’t hold back.

Prospector: Welcome back.  I was referring to a question from a while back where a scar on Cooper's hand was discussed.  If you go one page back on this thread, you'll see my post and Georger's.  You mention a right distal phalanx.  Some of us were wondering about more details on that.  Here are some of the posts.  Thanks.

Quote from: Prospector on September 19, 2018, 02:53:25 PM
Quote from: FLYJACK on September 19, 2018, 01:58:54 PM
It has been mentioned/rumoured that Cooper had a scar on his hand, info that the FBI has held back..

Does anybody have any source for this?

Tosaw or Himmelsbach's book?

Are you referring to a feature on the right hand middle finger distal phalanx?

Anyone ever hear from Prospector? He references a scar on the right hand middle finger distal phalanx.  That's a pretty specific comment.  Should records show someday that Cooper did in fact have this, I'd be curious to know how he guessed this.

You ask a very good question, not the one I hoped to address, but perhaps a good starting point for further enquiry. 

First I need to share an opinion related to the publicly released statement regarding ‘no scars, marks, or tattoos’.  This refers to what the witnesses observed at the time of the incident.  Any number of scars, marks, or tattoos could have been created on the individual at any point in time after the witnesses observed the individual in question.  Also, witnesses may have observed any number of scars, marks, or tattoos at the time, and that information is ‘held back’ by the authorities to aid in their vetting of incoming tips and/or confessions.  Not a well kept secret that this is a technique employed by investigators to help resolve a file.  As such, the statement is rendered invalid and irrelevant and should be dismissed in its entirety.  It would be imprudent for any person who may have known an individual prior to the criminal act and/or encountered a person after the fact who matched the physical description and profile to dismiss reporting that fact based on the presence of scars, marks, or tattoos. 

Specifically relating to Cooper, a careful examination of information made public contained within the series of composite sketches clearly indicates a feature on the left side of the bridge of the nose (Bing comp w/out sunglasses).  An interesting enhancement of that particular feature is observed on the ABC World News Tonight – Saturday, January 14, 2017 while reporting on the case.

I did not choose to become involved in this rampant dysfunction surrounding “D B Cooper”, but have been forced into it.  Due to this unfortunate twist of fortune, I have come into contact with what I now have every reason to believe is a very reliable source of information regarding Cooper.  The specific mention of a feature on the right hand middle finger distal phalanx comes from that source. 

It is unfortunate that someone who is familiar with the man himself is not an active member of this discussion forum.  Perhaps they could tell you about the very small feature above his right upper lip, a feature that could easily be disguised with a short moustache.

What was the question you were hoping to answer?

I agree with you on the holdback about a scar.  The FBI held back the clip on tie for 35 years or so, so hiding a scar or other mark would not be out of the realm of possibility.  I'm not familiar with any marks on the Bing Crosby sketch though.

You make some interesting comments.

I trust I am at liberty to now ask you a question.  My question is hypothetical, and if you choose to answer, it won’t expose you to risk.

Say for instance, your efforts led you to an individual who you conclude matches the course-filter physical description of the skyjacker.  You research further and discover that person also matches the fine-filter characteristics and profile information of the skyjacker.  Then through luck and skill, you are able to position yourself in such a manner that you are able to observe his reactions to stimulus that is presented to him with the intent to test for a guilty mind.  As a result of your efforts, you find yourself confronted with the hard reality you have discovered an individual who matches the course and fine filter physical description and characteristics, profile information, and behavioral expectations of the fugitive.  Your work was made easier because he is losing his edge due to advanced age and having to pack around such a big head for successfully outmanoeuvring the FBI for all those years.

Would you inform anyone of what you had found?  If not, why not?  If so, who would you inform, why would you inform, and at what point in time would you have informed them of your discovery?

This one is for me personally, or for all of us here in Cooperland to answer?  Good question.  Also good to see other posts on here besides the flight path and the placard.  Here's my answer:

If he was alive and I felt that he was a scumbag, then yes, I would turn him in.  If he was alive and I thought he was a decent person (hijacking aside), then no, I likely would not turn in a 85-95 year old man.  I'd want to hear his story.  If he was dead, then things change.

What would you do?  What would you do knowing that regardless of what you do, the FBI would not do anything about it?  What if I told you the IRS would do something about it though?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2157 on: May 01, 2019, 01:32:52 PM »
If I found him to be a sympathetic person I'd offer to defend him pro bono. We'd have to navigate these laws designed to prevent criminals from profiting from their story: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

I do think I could get an indictment or complaint dismissed based on the FBI's spoliation of evidence, but it's never a sure thing. If he wished to get the matter settled but avoid trial, I'd consider trying to negotiate a no jail time plea deal.

If he wanted me to make no contact with law enforcement during the remainder of his life, I'd comply.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2158 on: May 01, 2019, 03:17:19 PM »
In his latest daily feature Ulis says: 'Cooper was  ' first out of the gate so to speak in this kind of thing'   - hijackings!

What!? 

First out of the gate in airplane hijackings?   O0     What's next? Cooper was a Mermaid?   This is crazy.

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Maybe he means hijackings involving a parachute?




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« Reply #2159 on: May 20, 2019, 03:23:43 PM »
The DB Cooper Trail is a good idea, whose time may have come!

This could bring lots of people into the areas where Cooper may have bailed. Who knows what might be found! Not to mention the positive recreational-financial benefits a "DB Cooper Trail" might bring.

Why didn't Mr. Blevins come up with this idea? Mr. Blevins may be all over this! The Trail might resurrect the Ariel Store!!

This will raise the bar on all DB Cooper Suspect promoters and their elaborate windbag myths. This could bring thousands of people over time, into the very areas actually needing to be searched.

 :bravo:
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