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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2640 on: October 03, 2020, 05:39:50 PM »
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Guess we'll just have to wait for another round of FOIA requests to get the information the FBI has on Sheridan.

 ;)  There are no FOIA's for the period Ulis is talking about! FOIA's go up to about 1980 .... Sheridan was finally approached by the Feds in what? 2000s?

Between 1971 and 2010 the FBI Lab not only changed locations (Quantico came into play), the old Lab socalled at Washington also split into numerous new divisions not to mention a total revolution in technologies and services. Automation wherever possible sped up turnaround. The Latent Print Section took advantage of that evolution as software was developed. By around 1989 IDT was supplying the first generation of dna kits to Quantico etc ....

By the time Sheridan is tested the Lab and its evidence base has changed completely. In the 70s the one good palm print was central and 302s document that. By the 2000s the evidence set has changed. Ive never seen a 302 from 1970-80 with Sheridan's name on it, or any reference to Sheridan ... at least so far.!

If Ulis has an old 302 with Sheridan's name on it, let him produce it!     :chr2: 

Sheridan Peterson is not DB Cooper in any event, no more than Etic Ulis himself is!   :rofl:

BTW, Blevins' old contention that Boeing employees were not investigated, is total bunk - laughable baloney! There are hundreds of 302s documenting Boeing employees being investigated, one at a time .... etc.

There are several FBI files related to Sheridan Peterson if one cares to look.

Here's a clue:

They start with a memo dated eight days after the skyjacking which can be found in File 12, Pages 122-125.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2641 on: October 03, 2020, 06:32:46 PM »
Blevins will say anything. the same for looking at employee's. they looked in several locations..Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis etc. I even showed him one of the documents it just doesn't matter to some of these people. they will speak for the FBI and who ever gets in there way...

Peterson's files can be located. especially the one with his picture..

Georger, do you recall the word "click"..STOP insulting members on this forum..DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2642 on: October 03, 2020, 07:20:40 PM »
I have files in the vault surrounding the fingerprints..don't think I have them all but good info..

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2643 on: October 03, 2020, 11:56:40 PM »
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Guess we'll just have to wait for another round of FOIA requests to get the information the FBI has on Sheridan.

 ;)  There are no FOIA's for the period Ulis is talking about! FOIA's go up to about 1980 .... Sheridan was finally approached by the Feds in what? 2000s?

Between 1971 and 2010 the FBI Lab not only changed locations (Quantico came into play), the old Lab socalled at Washington also split into numerous new divisions not to mention a total revolution in technologies and services. Automation wherever possible sped up turnaround. The Latent Print Section took advantage of that evolution as software was developed. By around 1989 IDT was supplying the first generation of dna kits to Quantico etc ....

By the time Sheridan is tested the Lab and its evidence base has changed completely. In the 70s the one good palm print was central and 302s document that. By the 2000s the evidence set has changed. Ive never seen a 302 from 1970-80 with Sheridan's name on it, or any reference to Sheridan ... at least so far.!

If Ulis has an old 302 with Sheridan's name on it, let him produce it!     :chr2: 

Sheridan Peterson is not DB Cooper in any event, no more than Etic Ulis himself is!   :rofl:

BTW, Blevins' old contention that Boeing employees were not investigated, is total bunk - laughable baloney! There are hundreds of 302s documenting Boeing employees being investigated, one at a time .... etc.

There are several FBI files related to Sheridan Peterson if one cares to look.

Here's a clue:

They start with a memo dated eight days after the skyjacking which can be found in File 12, Pages 122-125.

Cheers!

Until you or someone posts it - it does not exist. There are many files referencing Boeing searches - I dont recall any tagged for Peterson. Its possible I missed it. Its also possible no such file exists. Until you or someone posts it - it does not exist.  Maybe FLYJACK or Blevins will find it and post it ?  ::)
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2644 on: October 04, 2020, 12:05:10 AM »
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Blevins will say anything. the same for looking at employee's. they looked in several locations..Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis etc. I even showed him one of the documents it just doesn't matter to some of these people. they will speak for the FBI and who ever gets in there way...

Peterson's files can be located. especially the one with his picture..

Georger, do you recall the word "click"..STOP insulting members on this forum..DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

So there is an FBI 302 with Peterson's picture in it ?

Peterson's files?  What Peterson files? Where?

Shutter, have you seen an FBI 302 with Peterson's name or photo on it?   

This hardly falls on my shoulders  - others would like to see what Ulis is talking about also!      It's EU's claim, among many claims he has made.  The burden isn;t mine to prove or disprove. I could care less!  :D
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2645 on: October 04, 2020, 01:07:18 AM »
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Fingerprints

Does anyone know if the FBI actually has fingerprints from DB Cooper that are reliable, and that the Bureau has confidence in?

If so, how many? Can you tell me anything more about them, such as the location from where the print was taken, etc.

I've come to realize I need to develop a whole new section on the fingerprint issue for the third edition, just like the DNA chapter.

There seems to be so much dissonance about the fingerprints. Calame and Rhodes say the Bureau got 11 sets of prints and they were all useless, as a 302 posted recently indicates.

Then we have another 302 that says Rackstraw was dismissed due to a "not a match" to fingerprints on file.

I remember Larry Carr posting that there were 66 sets of fingerprints, and someone else saying there were 77 sets.

I'm really confused. Any help anyone can provide is most welcome. Thanks

Ive come back to your original post because yours above sounds like repeats of snippets from 302s found in Shutter's Vault under Fingerprints ?  Is that where you got your info above?  Where did Shutter get his snippets? From Gray? All of the 302s Shutter's snippets come from are now available in their full form, in the FBI FOIA releases. So Shutter's snippets are obsolete, and confusing as you say. They lack continuity... and context.

One reason these snippets in Shutter's vault are not compatible is because they only hint at a fuller story which only complete sequences of 302s can begin to tell.  It's like 'cliff notes' vs. a fuller text.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2646 on: October 04, 2020, 08:09:19 AM »
I didn't get the "snippets" from anyone. I put things in a file as they are found looking through the 302's to try an organize thing vs searching them out. I can't help the fact that some files are only part of the story. we only have part of the story to begin with.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2647 on: October 04, 2020, 08:24:34 AM »
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This hardly falls on my shoulders  - others would like to see what Ulis is talking about also!      It's EU's claim, among many claims he has made.  The burden isn;t mine to prove or disprove. I could care less!

It's pretty simply. if you have concerns about something posted you ask them to supply the document/article in reference to whatever the subject is they posted. the 302's surrounding Peterson have been posted on this site. I don't know where they are in the 302's since I had no reason to keep them. Eric is not going to respond when you attack or demand.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2648 on: October 04, 2020, 11:44:07 AM »
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Eric is not going to respond when you attack or demand.

Yeah that pretty much sums it up. I'm too old for schoolyard shit.

That said, I already noted where in File 12 that the initial Sheridan Peterson report can be found--it's a memo with supplemental items and does include a picture along with his name not-redacted. There are also several other files that I'm always willing to provide to people who reach out to me.

Like Tom Kaye and Bruce Smith, I receive a fair number of messages--email and otherwise--asking me to consider a suspect or a theory. I am always willing to give someone the floor and to give my thoughts. The common thread among all of these people is that they approach me civilly which affords the opportunity to discuss, or perhaps even debate, the issue.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2649 on: October 04, 2020, 04:16:37 PM »
FOIA pdfs come as "Parts". The last issued PART was PART 51 ... so far as I know.

File 12 could be anywhere. In any PART. "File 12" is meaningless unless accompanied by the PART its in.

This is NOT personal with me. It may be personal to others or some, but its not personal with me. It's just the way the world works! Claims require evidence. I didn't make up that rule. The world evolved for 5000 years to set that standard in place, from early Sumeria to today. Through the Middle Ages to today. Rules of evidence and protocols. Its not personal. Its just the way things are done in a world!

Let's start where Blevins began this years ago, when he claimed 'no Boeing suspects were investigated' in reference to KC. That seemed doubtful at the time and I challenged him on that and I got my headed handed to me on DZ for challenging Blevins! Today I have many 302s documenting Boeing employees were investigated, not just by the FBI but also by the FAA, Boeing itself, etc. I have a whole pile of 302s documenting this. Except in a few cases there arent any Boeing employee names mentioned - all names have been redacted. And there are no pictures of anyone on anything. I guess "file 12" must be somewhere among all of these files, in some Part-number.

Thanks!  ;)
     
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2650 on: October 04, 2020, 07:27:59 PM »
Fingerprints, continued:

A couple of things:

1. Snippets. Yup, that's what I've gotten over the years - a little here and a little there. Mostly from books, like Calame and Rhodes, or the DZ and Ckret, etc. And that is what ended up in my book - snippets discussed here and there. Now, I'm endeavoring to gather all the fingerprint information together in one chapter, and come to an understanding of what the FBI has and doesn't have.

Thanks to many of the posters here - including Marty, Nat, Shut, Galen, FJ, 377 - I now know that the FBI has eight fingerprints that they feel confident are DB Cooper's. One of the eight is a palm print, apparently, although it may be a partial palm print. Others are "finger" fingerprints, and include at least one good one from a flight magazine that the FBI apparently collected, although Calame and Rhodes say the Reno team failed to take them.

Hence, this leads to a second question:

2. If the FBI had DBC's prints, how come they weren't used, especially with suspects who had military records, such as Sheridan Peterson and Robert Rackstraw? To my thinking, the FBI could have compared their DBC fingerprints with the military's on Petey and Airborne Bob and determined in-house whether these guys were DBC or not. As a result, what was the REAL reason Nicole Devereaux and Mary Jean Fryar went a'knocking on Petey's door, and why did the FBI intercept Bobby in Paris on his way back from Iran in 1979? Further, why did the FBI say they ruled out Bob because the prints they got, presumably in Paris in '79, didn't match the eight DBC prints on file. Whaddaya think we got here? A lazy FBI agent who wanted to make work for himself, or a spin job to cover up the real reason for the Paris snatch?

Colbert certainly smells a rat, and that means money and Good TV in Hollywood Land. And Eric has a few more kernels to sprinkle atop Mount Pete, too.

BTW, an interesting snippet: Tom Colbert has reportedly spent $250,000 of his own money on his Cooper Quest. Whew...

Lastly, the fingerprint issues make me wonder why the FBI has seemed so fixated on DNA, especially since they don't have Cooper's full profile.

Or do they.... ?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2651 on: October 04, 2020, 10:24:50 PM »
I would suspect the prints can't be 100% proven to be Coopers since they can't match them to anything at the time. they were narrowed down to probably being his prints. it appears they lean more towards the DNA..

The same can be asked about checking suspects. why not go straight to the DNA vs going down rabbit holes..
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2652 on: October 04, 2020, 10:59:42 PM »
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I would suspect the prints can't be 100% proven to be Coopers since they can't match them to anything at the time. they were narrowed down to probably being his prints. it appears they lean more towards the DNA..

The same can be asked about checking suspects. why not go straight to the DNA vs going down rabbit holes..

The reality is that fingerprints are just as powerful as DNA in this case. Meaning, if someone matches the fingerprints from the jet then they know with absolute certainty that they were on the jet. That's case closed.

I'm just wondering what the truth is about the fingerprints because they did not take Sheridan's fingerprints in 2003, just his DNA.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2653 on: October 04, 2020, 11:23:18 PM »
Correct, proof you were on the plane doesn't mean you were DB Cooper..the DNA came from his tie that is part of the case and what Cooper was wearing. I doubt there is any kind of cover up or reason why they do things that we don't always agree with.

I still believe the DNA will overpower any of the known evidence. all of it can be argued in court. matching the prints and DNA would be the best evidence.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2654 on: October 05, 2020, 12:35:39 AM »
i'm new to the DBC forum so hello fellow Cooperites
 
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