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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2595 on: September 17, 2020, 03:31:50 PM »
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where does 50 feet come in?

The distance from the money find spot to the water's edge under normal conditions.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2596 on: September 17, 2020, 03:32:27 PM »
I don't think it was that far away..
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2597 on: September 17, 2020, 07:43:25 PM »
Can we all agree the dredge spoils from 1974 seem to still be visible in 1980?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2598 on: September 17, 2020, 07:49:42 PM »
Here is Cat island in 1980...

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2599 on: September 18, 2020, 01:53:23 AM »
I know that it has been established that money doesn’t float. However, what is the buoyancy of the chute packs? In other words, could a chute pack filled with money float? And if so, for how long?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2600 on: September 18, 2020, 11:16:08 AM »
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I know that it has been established that money doesn’t float. However, what is the buoyancy of the chute packs? In other words, could a chute pack filled with money float? And if so, for how long?

An unopened parachute is going to sink reasonably fast according to 377. On the other hand, one that has been opened and in some manner re-packed could have air pockets which would help it float, but not forever.

If the FBI Flight Path is correct, and DBC amazingly landed in the Columbia, then a host of other problems come to light. Specifically, the location of the jet at the time of the pressure bump--which occurred near 8:12--is way off. Also, everything--DBC body, parachutes, money bag, attache' case with bomb, etc--would have to have floated many miles and gone completely unnoticed which is a hard sell. Moreover, one then needs to explain how three separate packets of twenties manage to get free from their casing, stay together, and self-bury on Tena Bar 50 feet from the water's edge.

I cannot imagine a scenario that explains the money find without human intervention. I literally think it is impossible. Which leads me to conclude that DBC survived and walked out of wherever he landed, ultimately arriving at Tena Bar. As to the story behind all of this...this is where other factors have to be considered.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2601 on: September 18, 2020, 05:52:41 PM »
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I know that it has been established that money doesn’t float. However, what is the buoyancy of the chute packs? In other words, could a chute pack filled with money float? And if so, for how long?

An unopened parachute is going to sink reasonably fast according to 377. On the other hand, one that has been opened and in some manner re-packed could have air pockets which would help it float, but not forever.


A packed parachute would be buoyant and float for a little while, until it gets soaked with water. A factor would be how tightly the canopy fits in the container, i.e. how much air is trapped in the canopy. Bailout rigs are generally a bit loose, as they want to be flexible, comfortable for the wearer. If Cooper hits water with a packed rig, buoyancy is the least of his concerns, as he's dead. However, depending on the current, that would affect how far he drifts downriver before he sinks. If Cooper lands in the water under an open canopy... If there are no winds and the canopy comes down on top of him and he gets entangled in it, that's a problem and he likely drowns. If there's a slight breeze and the canopy lands beside him, that's his best scenario. If there are more winds and he's being drug across the water, that too is problematic. On that bailout rig, the canopy does not detach from the harness without tools. If there is a strong current, once the canopy settles into the water, he's again being drug, as in tension on the harness. Getting out of the harness in those situations would be difficult, compounded by whatever he has tied to himself. The bailout rig does not have the D-rings to properly attach the reserve. I can't see Cooper tying the reserve on with parachute lines and expecting that to be functional. Yes, it's a dummy and would not work anyway, but does he know that? So if he has the dummy reserve tied to himself, it's likely that he has repurposed the container to hold money, which is what the original question was about. There would be air in there, which would make it a bit buoyant, but that wouldn't last very long. Those containers are flaps that wrap around whatever's in there. They are not water/air tight seals, so whatever air is in there would likely bubble out of the corners fairly quickly. The question then is how buoyant the money might be vs. how quickly it soaks.

I know that was more than what was asked. The short answer is that the reserve container packed with money, there would be some buoyancy, but it wouldn't last long at all.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2602 on: September 19, 2020, 12:37:23 AM »
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I know that it has been established that money doesn’t float. However, what is the buoyancy of the chute packs? In other words, could a chute pack filled with money float? And if so, for how long?

An unopened parachute is going to sink reasonably fast according to 377. On the other hand, one that has been opened and in some manner re-packed could have air pockets which would help it float, but not forever.


A packed parachute would be buoyant and float for a little while, until it gets soaked with water. A factor would be how tightly the canopy fits in the container, i.e. how much air is trapped in the canopy. Bailout rigs are generally a bit loose, as they want to be flexible, comfortable for the wearer. If Cooper hits water with a packed rig, buoyancy is the least of his concerns, as he's dead. However, depending on the current, that would affect how far he drifts downriver before he sinks. If Cooper lands in the water under an open canopy... If there are no winds and the canopy comes down on top of him and he gets entangled in it, that's a problem and he likely drowns. If there's a slight breeze and the canopy lands beside him, that's his best scenario. If there are more winds and he's being drug across the water, that too is problematic. On that bailout rig, the canopy does not detach from the harness without tools. If there is a strong current, once the canopy settles into the water, he's again being drug, as in tension on the harness. Getting out of the harness in those situations would be difficult, compounded by whatever he has tied to himself. The bailout rig does not have the D-rings to properly attach the reserve. I can't see Cooper tying the reserve on with parachute lines and expecting that to be functional. Yes, it's a dummy and would not work anyway, but does he know that? So if he has the dummy reserve tied to himself, it's likely that he has repurposed the container to hold money, which is what the original question was about. There would be air in there, which would make it a bit buoyant, but that wouldn't last very long. Those containers are flaps that wrap around whatever's in there. They are not water/air tight seals, so whatever air is in there would likely bubble out of the corners fairly quickly. The question then is how buoyant the money might be vs. how quickly it soaks.

I know that was more than what was asked. The short answer is that the reserve container packed with money, there would be some buoyancy, but it wouldn't last long at all.

buoyancy is relative:  bag of rags, box of rocks, dead body, harpooned whale, shot duck, golf clubs .... and so it goes!  :chr2:

What a brilliant bit of nonsense.  Buoyance is relative only in the sense of what the weight of the fluid the object displaces is relative to the object's weight. ::)
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2603 on: September 20, 2020, 02:42:23 AM »
Quiz: The Seattle office of the FBI issued monthly NORJAK status reports to Washington for years following the hijacking. Their report dated 2/5/76 stated "There are currently 810 suspects". How many of these suspects had been eliminated ? Keep in mind this was 4 years before the money find. 

1. 147
2. 230
3. 780
4. 397

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2604 on: September 20, 2020, 06:32:40 PM »
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What a piece of incomprehensible bloviating nonsense.


What I wrote?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2605 on: September 20, 2020, 07:10:56 PM »
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What a piece of incomprehensible bloviating nonsense.


What I wrote?

I think he was referring to the quote that was also attached to your comment..the comments have been removed.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2606 on: September 20, 2020, 07:56:17 PM »
Well, I wasn't sure. At two sentences, R99's comment could hardly be considered 'bloviating', hah.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2607 on: September 20, 2020, 08:11:40 PM »
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Quiz: The Seattle office of the FBI issued monthly NORJAK status reports to Washington for years following the hijacking. Their report dated 2/5/76 stated "There are currently 810 suspects". How many of these suspects had been eliminated ? Keep in mind this was 4 years before the money find. 

1. 147
2. 230
3. 780
4. 397

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230 is my guess.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2608 on: September 20, 2020, 11:20:27 PM »
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Quiz: The Seattle office of the FBI issued monthly NORJAK status reports to Washington for years following the hijacking. Their report dated 2/5/76 stated "There are currently 810 suspects". How many of these suspects had been eliminated ? Keep in mind this was 4 years before the money find. 

1. 147
2. 230
3. 780
4. 397

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230 is my guess.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2609 on: September 20, 2020, 11:28:50 PM »
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What a piece of incomprehensible bloviating nonsense.


What I wrote?

Had nothing to do with you - had to do with R99's use of the word "Buoyance" !  Go search for this obscure word on Google and see what you get. Standard usage is the word "buoyancy".

So this had nothing to do with you but with R99's commentary. I should have just left well enough alone. I will just stay in my cave from now on. Good luck   

Buoyance.    What is bouyance?

bouyance has a meaning in Soil Science terminology / glossary / dictionary is:
The upward force acting on a particle because it is suspended in water.

Buoyance is not standard usage. See Buoyancy.


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