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« Reply #4725 on: May 23, 2021, 11:36:01 PM »
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I was referring to the B and the D. 

He’s a ghost and I haven’t found anything on him other than his name on a legal document.  I haven’t looked hard either.  I’ll call his son and start there.

Welcome aboard Dave.  Roll up your sleeves, grab a shovel and a metal detector and get out in the woods and find DB for us. You will be a super hero.  And while your at it, get some nice woman to give Tina Mucklow a call.  Tell her to tell Tina she can't stand this guy Bruce!   LOL.  You might get somewhere!   :chr2:
You guys really think Tina has more to offer the case than she has already given? I mean she was thorougly debriefed by investigators - likely multiple times. What else is she going to bring to the table at this point?

Cooper Zombies must have their blood! If their victim isnt going to present their neck, then the zombies must imagine it and make up claims and stories ... thus the living commune with the other side and give them 'legitimacy'.  :rofl:
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« Reply #4726 on: May 24, 2021, 11:04:59 AM »
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I was referring to the B and the D. 

He’s a ghost and I haven’t found anything on him other than his name on a legal document.  I haven’t looked hard either.  I’ll call his son and start there.

Welcome aboard Dave.  Roll up your sleeves, grab a shovel and a metal detector and get out in the woods and find DB for us. You will be a super hero.  And while your at it, get some nice woman to give Tina Mucklow a call.  Tell her to tell Tina she can't stand this guy Bruce!   LOL.  You might get somewhere!   :chr2:
You guys really think Tina has more to offer the case than she has already given? I mean she was thorougly debriefed by investigators - likely multiple times. What else is she going to bring to the table at this point?

Cooper Zombies must have their blood! If their victim isnt going to present their neck, then the zombies must imagine it and make up claims and stories ... thus the living commune with the other side and give them 'legitimacy'.  :rofl:
What say ye of those crop circles in England from the early 80's' that they still have not solved?  Hmmm.  Some strange crap going on in this world.  As for Tina, she is the ONLY ONE that has anything to offer given the idiots lost the cigarette butts an thus the DNA.  She is the one that could draw the old boy out if he is alive?  If not, that money and the bomb, real or fake has to be somewhere.  I would think he might have kept some souvenirs?  I still believe he made it.  No way he could have fallen to his death and all that stuff he had with him would not have shown up on the ground or water. There is still some time for her to try and reach out to see if he responds.  Like, just want to know if you made it DB?  What is there to lose at this point ?  Even for her?   I think she is the only bait he would go for.  Or Flo but that seems impossible.  Tina seems to be very smart and if the right approach were taken, who knows?  Women respond better to other women though, in general. If a man approach's her, she may feel like he has another agenda.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4727 on: May 24, 2021, 12:12:51 PM »
Respectfully, I don’t understand your thinking. For one, Cooper is likely dead or very, very elderly. I don’t think anyone is “drawing him out”. Second, what evidence is there that Cooper and Tina have some “connection”. Third, what does Tina have left to “give”? The FBI sapped her of information in the hours, days, and weeks following the hijacking. I doubt very highly that she has been keeping some bombshell secret that would break the case wide open.
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« Reply #4728 on: May 24, 2021, 04:13:32 PM »
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What say ye of those crop circles in England from the early 80's' that they still have not solved?  Hmmm.  Some strange crap going on in this world.

The people who made those crop circles eventually confessed and explained how they did it.  Same with the Loch Ness picture, Bigfoot film, and other such nonsense.  The "Phoenix Lights" were real and came from an aircraft that can easily be identified even if the manufacturer has not publicly admitted to it so far.

Baloney about UFO-type occurrences is easy to start but it will live forever even after it has been debunked.  There is indeed some strange crap going on in this world, and the internet has more than its fair share. :(
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« Reply #4729 on: May 24, 2021, 04:46:47 PM »
I remember seeing a T-shirt that said 'crop circles', and it showed an alien pushing a lawnmower.
 
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« Reply #4730 on: May 25, 2021, 04:58:33 PM »
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You guys really think Tina has more to offer the case than she has already given? I mean she was thorougly debriefed by investigators - likely multiple times. What else is she going to bring to the table at this point?


Here are some of the questions I would like to ask Tina that have not been asked by the FBI or others, as far as I know:

1. Who was the guy who entered the plane after the passengers left? Who made the intervention and got him to leave?

2. When exactly did you ask the passengers to move forward in the cabin? Most passengers say it was on final approach.

3. Several passengers say you did not leave the aircraft to retrieve the money. Rather, it was brought aboard by two men - one identified as a FBI agent - and you retrieved the money from them in the forward cabin. What's the true story?

4. Your ex-husband reports that the FBI followed the two of you on multiple occasions in the mid-1970s. Why? What was your experience of those occurrences?

5. Can you give us a more complete time-line of what you did and how you interacted with the skyjacker, from landing at approximately 5:30 pm to the subsequent take-off at 7:30 pm -ish. E.G.:
      - 5:30, get money
      - 5:45, passengers leave, fueling begins, Alice and Flo leave
      - 6:00, bring parachutes onboard, 2nd fuel truck arrives
      - 6:15, show DBC how to operate the aft stair release

      Then what? When did you go to the cockpit? When did DBC begin to put on his parachute? When did he begin to cut up the reserve? When did he start to wrap the money bag? How long do you estimate that you spent alone with DBC? What was that like?

6. The iconic FBI agent, Ralph Himmelsbach characterizes DBC as a "sleazy, rotten crook." Why do you think he said that, since you've described the hijacker as a gentleman?

7. Where you ever afraid of DB Cooper?

8. Why do guys like me make you so angry? Can you help me understand that? Do you get similarly angry at FBI agents?

9. How have you processed your hijacking experience? Therapy? Prayer? Quiet time in the monastery?

10. Do you have any advice to give other flight attendants now to help them prepare for a similar event?

11. Did your 30-year silence prove to be beneficial? In what ways? What has changed now that allows you to appear in documentaries?
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4731 on: May 25, 2021, 07:36:37 PM »
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You guys really think Tina has more to offer the case than she has already given? I mean she was thorougly debriefed by investigators - likely multiple times. What else is she going to bring to the table at this point?


Here are some of the questions I would like to ask Tina that have not been asked by the FBI or others, as far as I know:

1. Who was the guy who entered the plane after the passengers left? Who made the intervention and got him to leave?

2. When exactly did you ask the passengers to move forward in the cabin? Most passengers say it was on final approach.

3. Several passengers say you did not leave the aircraft to retrieve the money. Rather, it was brought aboard by two men - one identified as a FBI agent - and you retrieved the money from them in the forward cabin. What's the true story?

4. Your ex-husband reports that the FBI followed the two of you on multiple occasions in the mid-1970s. Why? What was your experience of those occurrences?

5. Can you give us a more complete time-line of what you did and how you interacted with the skyjacker, from landing at approximately 5:30 pm to the subsequent take-off at 7:30 pm -ish. E.G.:
      - 5:30, get money
      - 5:45, passengers leave, fueling begins, Alice and Flo leave
      - 6:00, bring parachutes onboard, 2nd fuel truck arrives
      - 6:15, show DBC how to operate the aft stair release

      Then what? When did you go to the cockpit? When did DBC begin to put on his parachute? When did he begin to cut up the reserve? When did he start to wrap the money bag? How long do you estimate that you spent alone with DBC? What was that like?

6. The iconic FBI agent, Ralph Himmelsbach characterizes DBC as a "sleazy, rotten crook." Why do you think he said that, since you've described the hijacker as a gentleman?

7. Where you ever afraid of DB Cooper?

8. Why do guys like me make you so angry? Can you help me understand that? Do you get similarly angry at FBI agents?

9. How have you processed your hijacking experience? Therapy? Prayer? Quiet time in the monastery?

10. Do you have any advice to give other flight attendants now to help them prepare for a similar event?

11. Did your 30-year silence prove to be beneficial? In what ways? What has changed now that allows you to appear in documentaries?
I appreciate you wanting to know the answers to those questions, but in my opinion, none of them bring us any closer to solving the case.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4732 on: May 25, 2021, 09:12:19 PM »
HA! I won my bet. I KNEW you'd say that, Chaucer.
 

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« Reply #4733 on: May 25, 2021, 09:15:44 PM »
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You guys really think Tina has more to offer the case than she has already given? I mean she was thorougly debriefed by investigators - likely multiple times. What else is she going to bring to the table at this point?


Here are some of the questions I would like to ask Tina that have not been asked by the FBI or others, as far as I know:

1. Who was the guy who entered the plane after the passengers left? Who made the intervention and got him to leave?

2. When exactly did you ask the passengers to move forward in the cabin? Most passengers say it was on final approach.

3. Several passengers say you did not leave the aircraft to retrieve the money. Rather, it was brought aboard by two men - one identified as a FBI agent - and you retrieved the money from them in the forward cabin. What's the true story?

4. Your ex-husband reports that the FBI followed the two of you on multiple occasions in the mid-1970s. Why? What was your experience of those occurrences?

5. Can you give us a more complete time-line of what you did and how you interacted with the skyjacker, from landing at approximately 5:30 pm to the subsequent take-off at 7:30 pm -ish. E.G.:
      - 5:30, get money
      - 5:45, passengers leave, fueling begins, Alice and Flo leave
      - 6:00, bring parachutes onboard, 2nd fuel truck arrives
      - 6:15, show DBC how to operate the aft stair release

      Then what? When did you go to the cockpit? When did DBC begin to put on his parachute? When did he begin to cut up the reserve? When did he start to wrap the money bag? How long do you estimate that you spent alone with DBC? What was that like?

6. The iconic FBI agent, Ralph Himmelsbach characterizes DBC as a "sleazy, rotten crook." Why do you think he said that, since you've described the hijacker as a gentleman?

7. Where you ever afraid of DB Cooper?

8. Why do guys like me make you so angry? Can you help me understand that? Do you get similarly angry at FBI agents?

9. How have you processed your hijacking experience? Therapy? Prayer? Quiet time in the monastery?

10. Do you have any advice to give other flight attendants now to help them prepare for a similar event?

11. Did your 30-year silence prove to be beneficial? In what ways? What has changed now that allows you to appear in documentaries?
I appreciate you wanting to know the answers to those questions, but in my opinion, none of them bring us any closer to solving the case.

It comes down to how best to conduct an investigation.

In Norjak, is it best to focus exclusively on who, what, and how DB Cooper did what he did? Or is it better to also focus on the folks who tell us who, what, and how DB Cooper did what he did.

I say both aspects are vital.
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« Reply #4734 on: May 25, 2021, 09:20:09 PM »
Chaucer, I've got a question for you:

Do you trust the FBI?

If so, why?

If not, why not?

Lastly, what's your perspective on the Congressional investigation of the FBI's National Crime lab back in the late 1990s?

Lastly, lastly, the FBI has an internal joke that goes like this: "We can convict anyone. It's just that the innocent take longer."

Do you think that is a funny joke, or just a sad-but-true commentary?
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« Reply #4735 on: May 25, 2021, 11:30:33 PM »
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You guys really think Tina has more to offer the case than she has already given? I mean she was thorougly debriefed by investigators - likely multiple times. What else is she going to bring to the table at this point?


Here are some of the questions I would like to ask Tina that have not been asked by the FBI or others, as far as I know:

1. Who was the guy who entered the plane after the passengers left? Who made the intervention and got him to leave?

2. When exactly did you ask the passengers to move forward in the cabin? Most passengers say it was on final approach.

3. Several passengers say you did not leave the aircraft to retrieve the money. Rather, it was brought aboard by two men - one identified as a FBI agent - and you retrieved the money from them in the forward cabin. What's the true story?

4. Your ex-husband reports that the FBI followed the two of you on multiple occasions in the mid-1970s. Why? What was your experience of those occurrences?

5. Can you give us a more complete time-line of what you did and how you interacted with the skyjacker, from landing at approximately 5:30 pm to the subsequent take-off at 7:30 pm -ish. E.G.:
      - 5:30, get money
      - 5:45, passengers leave, fueling begins, Alice and Flo leave
      - 6:00, bring parachutes onboard, 2nd fuel truck arrives
      - 6:15, show DBC how to operate the aft stair release

      Then what? When did you go to the cockpit? When did DBC begin to put on his parachute? When did he begin to cut up the reserve? When did he start to wrap the money bag? How long do you estimate that you spent alone with DBC? What was that like?

6. The iconic FBI agent, Ralph Himmelsbach characterizes DBC as a "sleazy, rotten crook." Why do you think he said that, since you've described the hijacker as a gentleman?

7. Where you ever afraid of DB Cooper?

8. Why do guys like me make you so angry? Can you help me understand that? Do you get similarly angry at FBI agents?

9. How have you processed your hijacking experience? Therapy? Prayer? Quiet time in the monastery?

10. Do you have any advice to give other flight attendants now to help them prepare for a similar event?

11. Did your 30-year silence prove to be beneficial? In what ways? What has changed now that allows you to appear in documentaries?
I appreciate you wanting to know the answers to those questions, but in my opinion, none of them bring us any closer to solving the case.

It comes down to how best to conduct an investigation.

In Norjak, is it best to focus exclusively on who, what, and how DB Cooper did what he did? Or is it better to also focus on the folks who tell us who, what, and how DB Cooper did what he did.

I say both aspects are vital.

I agree Bruce, it might have been better to give the DB Cooper hijacking to the KGB or to Marvel Tunes. The DB Cooper hijacking is special, because it involves you! The FBI should have seen you coming and could have been given all other domestic hijackings, just not any hijacking involving you.     
 

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« Reply #4736 on: May 25, 2021, 11:38:16 PM »
Well, it all begs the question of what the FBI did with the findings of the Citizen Sleuths. They seem pretty quiet on that front.

As for discussing the case with guys like me, would it really upset their apple cart to come to CC21??? How about you, me, Larry and Curtis in a panel discussion? Don't you think that would be productive? AND entertaining...
 

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« Reply #4737 on: May 26, 2021, 12:42:01 AM »
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You guys really think Tina has more to offer the case than she has already given? I mean she was thorougly debriefed by investigators - likely multiple times. What else is she going to bring to the table at this point?


Here are some of the questions I would like to ask Tina that have not been asked by the FBI or others, as far as I know:

1. Who was the guy who entered the plane after the passengers left? Who made the intervention and got him to leave?

2. When exactly did you ask the passengers to move forward in the cabin? Most passengers say it was on final approach.

3. Several passengers say you did not leave the aircraft to retrieve the money. Rather, it was brought aboard by two men - one identified as a FBI agent - and you retrieved the money from them in the forward cabin. What's the true story?

4. Your ex-husband reports that the FBI followed the two of you on multiple occasions in the mid-1970s. Why? What was your experience of those occurrences?

5. Can you give us a more complete time-line of what you did and how you interacted with the skyjacker, from landing at approximately 5:30 pm to the subsequent take-off at 7:30 pm -ish. E.G.:
      - 5:30, get money
      - 5:45, passengers leave, fueling begins, Alice and Flo leave
      - 6:00, bring parachutes onboard, 2nd fuel truck arrives
      - 6:15, show DBC how to operate the aft stair release

      Then what? When did you go to the cockpit? When did DBC begin to put on his parachute? When did he begin to cut up the reserve? When did he start to wrap the money bag? How long do you estimate that you spent alone with DBC? What was that like?

6. The iconic FBI agent, Ralph Himmelsbach characterizes DBC as a "sleazy, rotten crook." Why do you think he said that, since you've described the hijacker as a gentleman?

7. Where you ever afraid of DB Cooper?

8. Why do guys like me make you so angry? Can you help me understand that? Do you get similarly angry at FBI agents?

9. How have you processed your hijacking experience? Therapy? Prayer? Quiet time in the monastery?

10. Do you have any advice to give other flight attendants now to help them prepare for a similar event?

11. Did your 30-year silence prove to be beneficial? In what ways? What has changed now that allows you to appear in documentaries?
I appreciate you wanting to know the answers to those questions, but in my opinion, none of them bring us any closer to solving the case.

It comes down to how best to conduct an investigation.

In Norjak, is it best to focus exclusively on who, what, and how DB Cooper did what he did? Or is it better to also focus on the folks who tell us who, what, and how DB Cooper did what he did.

I say both aspects are vital.
My point is that Tina has already told us the who, what, and how. There’s no more gold left in the mine except impertinent details.

I believe that generally the FBI is very good at their jobs, but they suffer from the same blinding pride and arrogance that all LE agencies do. Still, I believe the FBI worked hard to solve the case even if errors were made along the way.

Regardless, the facts will guide us, and I don’t think knowing whether Tina was scared of Cooper or why she doesn’t like you or who the guy was who enters the plane gets us any closer to WHO Cooper was.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4738 on: May 26, 2021, 10:03:20 AM »
I do not believe the FBI was corrupt or covering anything up as it pertains to the Cooper case. They were just tasked with a very difficult case and made some mistakes along the way. Additionally, Cooper was very good at covering his tracks and not talking. I believe that essentially explains why this case is still unsolved 50 years later.
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« Reply #4739 on: May 26, 2021, 11:34:02 AM »
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I do not believe the FBI was corrupt or covering anything up as it pertains to the Cooper case. They were just tasked with a very difficult case and made some mistakes along the way. Additionally, Cooper was very good at covering his tracks and not talking. I believe that essentially explains why this case is still unsolved 50 years later.
I would agree with this. Were mistakes made? Absolutely. Did the FBI act in an arrogant, irresponsible manner at times? Yes.

But that doesn’t mean the FBI is corrupt or incompetent.

My original point remains that I think Tina has little to offer this case in terms of important information
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